Game Day 2017 National Draft

[BPikkers]

Faz is worth more to us than a second round pick. He's a match winner, can play Middle and back. Only trade if he wants to go home...

Darling would be my first preference, however, if it can't be done, maybe Balic and Freo's second.

 

[Quicky]

Three way trades though are possible which might bring us a tall forward for Faz.

I was responding to the Fas > 2nd rnder > Fiorini scenario. Losing Fasolo would be terrible for us. If it were to happen I agree with the suggestion of trying to address a list need with whatever we get from him. I hope he stays though.

 

[CarnMags]

This would be my order of preference for pick 6.

Probably most bullish about Fogarty - I think he would be a steal at 6.


Cameron Rayner
Half-forward/midfielder
187cm/88kg

Darcy Fogarty
Half-forward/midfielder
192cm/92kg

Jarrod Brander
Key defender/key forward
194cm/89kg

Oscar Allen
Key forward
191cm/83kg

 

[Justlokan]

I am hopeful he stays. I think the club has been fantastic with / for him this year and it would be great for both him and club if he stays. Having said that he needs to be in a good place to do that but get the impression the players are right around him.

If he did go he is worth a pick between 20-25.

I'd prefer he stays as well but if I were either of the Perth sides, Fas isn't worth a pick in that range. He's not elite, quite inconsistent and while he has talent, it's more potential right now.
We might value him highly but supply/demand rules and we'll only get what WC/Freo are offering. And if only one of them shows interest, value goes down. I'd prefer the Darling trade scenario.

 

[cleomenes]

Why do so many think Fasolo is on the move?

 

[From_The_Outer]

This would be my order of preference for pick 6.

Probably most bullish about Fogarty - I think he would be a steal at 6.


Cameron Rayner
Half-forward/midfielder
187cm/88kg

Darcy Fogarty
Half-forward/midfielder
192cm/92kg

Jarrod Brander
Key defender/key forward
194cm/89kg

Oscar Allen
Key forward
191cm/83kg

I like the list but id have Brander above Fogarty , only because of a needs basis . I think Rayner would go before our pick but i like what i see with him . Oscar Allen , if we could manager to get an early 2nd Rounder , do you see him possibly sliding that far ?

 

[Quicky]

Why do so many think Fasolo is on the move?

They think he wants to be near family because of his depression. It's nothing confirmed.

 

[Snoop Dog]

I'd prefer he stays as well but if I were either of the Perth sides, Fas isn't worth a pick in that range. He's not elite, quite inconsistent and while he has talent, it's more potential right now.
We might value him highly but supply/demand rules and we'll only get what WC/Freo are offering. And if only one of them shows interest, value goes down. I'd prefer the Darling trade scenario.

Maybe but 58 shots on goal from 19 games. Instead of 29.29 should have been closer to 40:20 and that puts him well in the range of that selection. Kicking 2nd half of year was back to his best.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Fogarty best footy for mine has been as a junior. Last year that is where he spent most of his time and was strong and powerful in there. Outside of that I see him more as a defender than a key forward. That being said I havent seen as much of him forward and when I have (mainly this year) he has beem hampered by injury.

For mine think Luke Hodge type but a bigger build.

You'd cop a Luke Hodge.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

At least Brisbane helped us out with Frost.

And that was Frost's best passage of "play" for us, ever.

 

[Johno9911]

I like the list but id have Brander above Fogarty , only because of a needs basis . I think Rayner would go before our pick but i like what i see with him . Oscar Allen , if we could manager to get an early 2nd Rounder , do you see him possibly sliding that far ?

I think Oscar Allen will be available in the second round. Words are that some of the recruiters don't see him being much more than he already is. Will never be a dominant KPF but will bob for a couple of goals a game. Not a bad player just probably not worth a first round pick.

In terms of Rayner, it'll depend on who the lions and suns take at 1. Word is that they've both cooled on Rayner due to fitness and go home factor, and this could change how the rest of the top 10 plays out. Carlton and North may take him if he's there (Carlton are reportedly big on LDU) and Freo will take a KPP (probably Nuaghton or Brander).

If he was on the boards when 6 rolls around would we want him over a KPP? If he and Brander are there who would we rather the club select?

 

[swoop42]

Obviously Brander is a quality key tall prospect and as we know most of them are found within the first 15 of the draft but it's slightly interesting that many have him going around pick 5 or 6 when in most drafts the best tall would be taken within the top 3.

I'd be interested to know Snoop Dog or Knightmare who you'd select out of Brander, Fogarty and Stephenson and whether that selection mirrors who you believe has the highest possible ceiling?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Obviously Brander is a quality key tall prospect and as we know most of them are found within the first 15 of the draft but it's slightly interesting that many have him going around pick 5 or 6 when in most drafts the best tall would be taken within the top 3.

I'd be interested to know Snoop Dog or Knightmare who you'd select out of Brander, Fogarty and Stephenson and whether that selection mirrors who you believe has the highest possible ceiling?

Great question.

Be very interested how both Knightmare and Snoop Dog see the top 6 or their thoughts who we should or more importantly who they think we WILL take?

Interesting times ahead.

I also wonder if we'd think of trading for another early pick? Take two?

(Or we're using 6 for Lever so it's all academic)

 

[Knightmare]

Great question.

Be very interested how both Knightmare and Snoop Dog see the top 6 or their thoughts who we should or more importantly who they think we WILL take?

Interesting times ahead.

I also wonder if we'd think of trading for another early pick? Take two?

(Or we're using 6 for Lever so it's all academic)

Lever I feel is an unnecessary recruiting choice. He's terrific. But we have Scharenberg and several intercepting medium types which makes the addition of Lever not a meaningful one in our list building process. If you're paying for a quality established player, and paying full price, get someone who gives you something different and something you need.

My early feel is Dow, Rayner and Cerra in some order will be gone. Davies-Uniacke also probably is gone. Who that fifth player is, is unclear with Stephenson, Brander and Fogarty are among those who will be discussed.

I'm completely undecided at the present time who I'd take at 6. None of the options have me convinced I'd spend such a high pick on them. Connor Ballenden (Brisbane Academy) is another I'd throw into that group as a consideration of this years talls.

Moving pick 6 down for two picks I'd have no objection to. After the top 4, the next 20 on my draft board I view fairly evenly.

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As a whole, I feel the most essential thing is figuring out what we're going to do about a key forward.

I've concluded one of the following needs to happen:
1. Trade for this year or take next year as a free agent (Tom Lynch GC)
2. Trade into the top 3 in 2018 (to get one of Jack Lukosius or Max King). They're both out of this world special - think Nick Riewoldt and a taller and more mobile Jon Patton respectively.
Ben Brown is a possible third option but would be a clear third.

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In this draft, with the talls, I'm mostly excited about the value of the talls in the 20s and 30s. Noah Balta (tall utility who can play all 18 positions), Connor Ballenden (KPP but best as KPD), Brayden Crossley (ruck), Callum Coleman-Jones (KPF/ruck), Oscar Clavarino (KPD), Harry Petty (KPD). If a combination of these can be added, we may have some developable talls.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Lever I feel is an unnecessary recruiting choice. He's terrific. But we have Scharenberg and several intercepting medium types which makes the addition of Lever not a meaningful one in our list building process. If you're paying for a quality established player, and paying full price, get someone who gives you something different and something you need.

My early feel is Dow, Rayner and Cerra in some order will be gone. Davies-Uniacke also probably is gone. Who that fifth player is, is unclear with Stephenson, Brander and Fogarty are among those who will be discussed.

I'm completely undecided at the present time who I'd take at 6. None of the options have me convinced I'd spend such a high pick on them. Connor Ballenden (Brisbane Academy) is another I'd throw into that group as a consideration of this years talls.

Moving pick 6 down for two picks I'd have no objection to. After the top 4, the next 20 on my draft board I view fairly evenly.

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As a whole, I feel the most essential thing is figuring out what we're going to do about a key forward.

I've concluded one of the following needs to happen:
1. Trade for this year or take next year as a free agent (Tom Lynch GC)
2. Trade into the top 3 in 2018 (to get one of Jack Lukosius or Max King). They're both out of this world special - think Nick Riewoldt and a taller and more mobile Jon Patton respectively.
Ben Brown is a possible third option but would be a clear third.

--
In this draft, with the talls, I'm mostly excited about the value of the talls in the 20s and 30s. Noah Balta (tall utility who can play all 18 positions), Connor Ballenden (KPP but best as KPD), Brayden Crossley (ruck), Callum Coleman-Jones (KPF/ruck), Oscar Clavarino (KPD). If a combination of these can be added, we may have some developable talls.

I want the Riewoldt and then the Patton, but if you could guarantee a nick Riewoldt on that alone I'm sold!
Be so special to have that

 

[Quicky]

Lever I feel is an unnecessary recruiting choice. He's terrific. But we have Scharenberg and several intercepting medium types which makes the addition of Lever not a meaningful one in our list building process. If you're paying for a quality established player, and paying full price, get someone who gives you something different and something you need.

My early feel is Dow, Rayner and Cerra in some order will be gone. Davies-Uniacke also probably is gone. Who that fifth player is, is unclear with Stephenson, Brander and Fogarty are among those who will be discussed.

I'm completely undecided at the present time who I'd take at 6. None of the options have me convinced I'd spend such a high pick on them. Connor Ballenden (Brisbane Academy) is another I'd throw into that group as a consideration of this years talls.

Moving pick 6 down for two picks I'd have no objection to. After the top 4, the next 20 on my draft board I view fairly evenly.

--
As a whole, I feel the most essential thing is figuring out what we're going to do about a key forward.

I've concluded one of the following needs to happen:
1. Trade for this year or take next year as a free agent (Tom Lynch GC)
2. Trade into the top 3 in 2018 (to get one of Jack Lukosius or Max King). They're both out of this world special - think Nick Riewoldt and a taller and more mobile Jon Patton respectively.
Ben Brown is a possible third option but would be a clear third.

--
In this draft, with the talls, I'm mostly excited about the value of the talls in the 20s and 30s. Noah Balta (tall utility who can play all 18 positions), Connor Ballenden (KPP but best as KPD), Brayden Crossley (ruck), Callum Coleman-Jones (KPF/ruck), Oscar Clavarino (KPD). If a combination of these can be added, we may have some developable talls.

How do you trade into next years top 3 though? That's something we may well have little control over. Ditto Lynch actually.

What are your thoughts on Brander?

 

[Scodog10]

How do you trade into next years top 3 though? That's something we may well have little control over. Ditto Lynch actually.

What are your thoughts on Brander?

In practical terms you can't. No one is going to give up a 2018 1st rounder this year unless Kelly leaves and they won't do it next year because why would you if they're THAT good? We only role into a 2018 top 3 pick if we finish there (unlikely) or trade out quality like Steele/ Adams to a club that has no idea of the hole they're about to fall in (extremely unlikely).

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The great football irony:

The very best juniors in their year inevitably go to the very worst clubs....

So you become a star junior and off you get shipped to a hell hole like the Gold Coast or Brisbane (actually all that sun....)

 

[Knightmare]

I want the Riewoldt and then the Patton, but if you could guarantee a nick Riewoldt on that alone I'm sold!
Be so special to have that

Lukosius is playing special footy. He runs like Riewoldt (the only defence is abandoning him when he passes half way up the field or he'll kill you when he pushes forward) and has as similar a game that is as well rounded as you'll find.

Max King as that i50 target is unstoppable. His reach is too high that you can't spoil him. Finds separation i50. He's another I'd flat out love to have.

How do you trade into next years top 3 though? That's something we may well have little control over. Ditto Lynch actually.

What are your thoughts on Brander?

Lynch may be a situation of - you approach GC and say we'll offer him eg. $1.5m per year over the next 8 seasons if you don't trade him this season. The result is either they trade him or keep him and lose him unless they really spend up big to match. He's one though you just have to enquire into the availability of and take a shot at.

Getting into the top three next year is every bit as hard as it sounds. It likely means dealing with North Melbourne or maybe Brisbane this offseason and offering a package of some kind. That might mean a 1st rounder, De Goey and Josh Smith as an example trade.
The other option, and it's the safer way but would cost more as you actually know the pick you're trading for, is waiting until next offseason and trading for it. That might be something more like Elliott, a first round pick and Langdon, again just to think about what might be asked for as a rough early guesstimate.

As for Brander. I'm open to him, but not sold. Watching him on the weekend, he dropped 2-3 marks he should have taken - with low to no pressure. That's not every week stuff from Brander, but even sometimes it's not ideal. He's athletic enough, good size, clean at ground level and a pretty good kick. Good fwd/back without being clearly great in either. The hope if we picked him would be something like Ben Reid to give a feel for his upside, and like with Reid, he'll need his 3-4 years to develop to become adequately consistent.

 

[ash84]

I want the Riewoldt and then the Patton, but if you could guarantee a nick Riewoldt on that alone I'm sold!
Be so special to have that

This.

 

[ash84]

Jack Luko

2. Trade into the top 3 in 2018 (to get one of Jack Lukosius or Max King). They're both out of this world special - think Nick Riewoldt and a taller and more mobile Jon Patton respectively.

#36 Jack Lukosius – Played forward all day, opposed to Brander for much of it and won that battle pretty comfortably. His work rate was excellent, often presenting up outside of the 50 on the lead. Still slightly built but once he gains a few kilos he will make a very good centre half forward. Foot skills were neat apart from one set-shot miss directly in front. Managed to slot through three majors nevertheless.

Pretty impressive to beat Brander as a younger kid, considering Brander is rated highly.

 

[ash84]

2. Trade into the top 3 in 2018 (to get one of Jack Lukosius or Max King). They're both out of this world special - think Nick Riewoldt and a taller and more mobile Jon Patton respectively.

#26 Max King – Was a class above in the forward half with four first-half goals. He was able to get space between him and his opponent, leaping high and plucking the ball out from the clouds. Finished the day with five goals as the most dominating tall for the day, alongside twin brother Ben who played in defence. Would be Pick 1 in this year’s draft if he was eligible.

 

[Knightmare]

#36 Jack Lukosius – Played forward all day, opposed to Brander for much of it and won that battle pretty comfortably. His work rate was excellent, often presenting up outside of the 50 on the lead. Still slightly built but once he gains a few kilos he will make a very good centre half forward. Foot skills were neat apart from one set-shot miss directly in front. Managed to slot through three majors nevertheless.

Pretty impressive to beat Brander as a younger kid, considering Brander is rated highly.

Lukosius and King both are better than this years key position players already - both from an attribute and performance standpoint. That includes if Sutherland was in this years draft.

Brander had a largely poor u18 championships. Had one good game forward and the rest of the time struggled, proving unable to contain the influence of his opponents down back. Lukosius tore him a new one and Brander had to be removed from that matchup within the first quarter with Lukosius taking mark after mark against him with Brander having no defense.

 

[ksardog]

#36 Jack Lukosius – Played forward all day, opposed to Brander for much of it and won that battle pretty comfortably. His work rate was excellent, often presenting up outside of the 50 on the lead. Still slightly built but once he gains a few kilos he will make a very good centre half forward. Foot skills were neat apart from one set-shot miss directly in front. Managed to slot through three majors nevertheless.

Pretty impressive to beat Brander as a younger kid, considering Brander is rated highly.

Is that the CHF from SA? If so, i liked what i saw of him. Good hands and great on the lead. Only saw the one game but he was the one that caught my attention. Wheres he tipped to go in the draft? Not in top 20 according to AFL phantom draft, although its very early still.
Brander and Lukosius would be hopefully solving our key position stocks in one hit ala Reid and Brown.
May have to get a pick in the early 20's to guarantee it

 

[Knightmare]

Is that the CHF from SA? If so, i liked what i saw of him. Good hands and great on the lead. Only saw the one game but he was the one that caught my attention. Wheres he tipped to go in the draft? Not in top 20 according to AFL phantom draft, although its very early still.
Brander and Lukosius would be hopefully solving our key position stocks in one hit ala Reid and Brown.
May have to get a pick in the early 20's to guarantee it

That's the guy.

Izak Rankine (mid/fwd), Lukosius and King in some order probably go top 3 (in 2018 draft).