Game Day 2017 National Draft

[Snoop Dog]

From the limited viewing I've had of him that's no surprise. He seemed a bit of a speculative type right from my first viewing of his game. Interesting comparison with Gunston too mainly because it wasn't how I would have described his game early year.

Also what's the knock on Balta in your opinion? I'm looking at a thin KPP group which includes this kid that can play virtually any position on the ground, has the production behind him, has the talent and has this really unique skill set for a KPD yet despite that is still largely considered a 15+ pick.

Is it his short to mid range kicking (because he bombs it)? His attitude? His workrate? His coachability? Are clubs skittish of going early on KPD's? Or is it something completely off broadway like the word pre-draft on Blakely or McKenzie's problems? I fear that clubs are playing their cards real close to their chest and post trade period he'll rise up the rankings once info is leaked to Twomey, Anderson and co after we've traded down thinking he'll be there. At 6 we have options, but at 12 we're in the lap of the gods KPP wise when we have a serious need to fill the role and I'd personally have Balta top 3 on our draft board.

I actually dont have any knock on Noah for whatever reason i think the narrative on him is wrong. I think he has had a terrific year and when you stack it up vs a BRander I reckon you can make an argument he is ahead of him.....and possibly Naughton. The fact Brander has had decent games as a forward has him up there but Balta last month was v good.

 

[jackcass]

1. Brisbane - Patrick Dow
2. Gold Coast - Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Carlton - Cam Rayner
4. North Melbourne - Jaidyn Steohenson
5. Fremantle - Jack Higgins (left-field selection)
6. Collingwood - Nick Coffield
7. St Kilda - Adam Cerra
8. St Kilda - Darcy Fogarty
9. Western Bulldogs - Jarrod Brander
10. Melbourne - Aaron Naughton

This is my current phantom draft.

Doubt the Dees will be looking for a KPP unless they're intending to offload someone or they have concerns about either Hogan or Weideman.

 

[MadDogMundez]

Would Pick 6 for Josh Schache + Pick 18 be palatable?

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Coffield: who does he play like?
I have been pretty set on getting a KPP with our first pick, but if this boy is gonna be special. Then it's worth a punt.

 

[Soups]

Would Pick 6 for Josh Schache + Pick 18 be palatable?

Definitely not for me.

 

[Soups]

Coffield: who does he play like?
I have been pretty set on getting a KPP with our first pick, but if this boy is gonna be special. Then it's worth a punt.

KM likens him to James Kelly.

 

[pie machine]

Would Pick 6 for Josh Schache + Pick 18 be palatable?

Yes please

 

[loki04]

I'm 95% sure Brander won't be at our pick. But Coffield I think could be something pretty special. Just good all around, versatile, composed, everything we need. But I do understand the need for picking up a couple of say B graders if you like (best 22 types) over just one slightly better player.

In an ideal world I'd pick up Coffield (who I rate above Stephenson maybe not on scope and potential and aerial ability, but across all other areas I'd have him ahead - certainly the areas we need) and snatch another pick in the teens to pick up that Balta type.

Constable could be, but again I don't think will be there at 14. Great get if he slides. Brayshaw great player but we don't need him as we have plenty similar.

The one player I think is criminally underrated is Lachie Fogarty. So much talk about Darcy but I feel like his height (Lachie) is why he's not even in discussions. He's another smart player who uses it pretty well and can go forward and kick goals but I understand we have a fair few smaller players but I think he plays taller the his 179cm.

Assuming we don't trade pick 6 and pick up a R2 I'd go Coffield, Wooller, Clavarino

Pick up 2xtop 20 for 6
One tall (Balta/Naughton)
One classy user (Murphy/O'Brien/Fogarty)

I'd hope we pick up a Wooller/Bonar and/or Clav then go for a Paton. Tyler Brown late or rookie.

Worth noting on Bonar, GC super interested because when he was in the hands of the trainers at Vic Park the wholeSuns recruiting group in unison picked up their binoculars to inspect.

I'd almost be inclined to take an extra rookie spot and use one less senior spot as not only does this draft have a bit less depth, but a few seem less developed than in previous years so taking them as rookies might be a good way of watching them develop.

Interesting you rate naughton such an average kick makes tooves look like Buckley. He also is a bit ungainly or unco at times.

 

[loki04]

Yeah not so sure on Brander. Freo are the big risk and he fits what they are probably aiming up at but they also need class mids having largely gone tall last year with Cox and Logue so I reckon its 50:50. Also not sure he is a pick 5 or 6 to be honest hence why I'm looking equally at Coffield and Stephenson. Big fan of JS and think you would have to add speed and xfactor are things he probably has over Nick. Where Nick wins is i think he is just a better fit with where we are at albeit we are reasonably well stocked in that area. For me it might come down a bit to the All Star game (if they play).

Its why in some ways I dont mind swapping the picks. Its a given they want to build their key position strength so if you are committed to that for mine consider giving up 6 and getting the two Richmond picks and take Naughton and Balta. Somehow get into the 20's with another selection and then hit any of Walker / OBrien / Fogarty / Miers (he could walk into our side) / Bonar / Murphy. Could even take say Naughton and a class mid with the other pick then aim up at Wooller and Petty with the picks in the 20s'.....so let say;

Fasolo does go and we get a pick back in the 20's.
Sign Menzel as a FA and he plays same role as Fas.
Swap pick 6 for 14 and 16 to Richmond
Then use;

14 - Naughton
16 - Balta
25 - Walker / Bonar / Murphy / OBrien / Fogarty / Wooller
36 - Wooller / Richards / Ballard
54 - Paton / Dan Johnston
78 - Tim Kelly / Nolan / McLean / Thompson

Rookie - Brown

Re Lachie was taller he would be up there. Screams Neale at the same age. No problems taking him but he is in 20's for me. OBrien am still worried about what I saw at Champs. Really worried me. Looked his best in last game behind the ball.

Your killing me...

Gee I hope freo or wc take him before us.

 

[loki04]

I love Clark as much as the next person (ex Padua boy) but he's effectively Taylor Adams with Adam Treloar's burst. His foot skills are a big concern. I like his role on the inside but his skills are too poor to be outside and we don't need another inside mid.

O'Brien would be great but need to teach him to get his hands dirty. He has a weapon but put pressure on him or tag him and he's done.

Coffield must be pick 6 if we keep it IMO. But I can see us trading down.

You might of well just said he is similar to Treloar who isn't a great kick either (certainly no better then Adams).

 

[loki04]

I think nick is in 19 or 20 not next years draft

He was still only 13 this year playing in the under 15s, so we have another 4-5 years to wait. 2021 or 2022 drafts depending on when he turned 14.

 

[loki04]

Just listened to a podcast re: trade/draft where Brett Anderson (draft expert) was fairly categorical in stating that this draft is really shallow. He has been hearing from recruiters/club scouts at U18 games that most of them believe that to be the case too. Even said that the majority of players even likely to go in the top 15 had flaws in their games. Talked up the 2018 draft big time though.

Unless we use pick 6 to get a Tom Lynch or Jake Lever I would be taking it to the draft; take best available. Keep a couple of late picks to give us the points required to take Tyler Brown (if a bid comes in for him around 40-50). Then if we trade out any players this year (Fas/Smith etc) I would be trying to tie in future picks for 2018 into the deals. We are likely to need a semi decent pick next year for Nick Daicos too (30-50). Probably shown more as a junior prospect than Josh did.

That has been said on here numerous times, 2018 is where it's at and why some of us have been deadset against the calls to trade out of it.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Interesting you rate naughton such an average kick makes tooves look like Buckley. He also is a bit ungainly or unco at times.

I don't rate Naughton? I think he's one we'll look at if we have two top 20 picks, but I hope we don't touch him with #6. If Clavarino had a bit more muscle I'd rather take him to be honest. but we can snare him a bit later because of his lighter build. I can understand the hype around Naughton, but I'd rather Balta and I'm not a huge fan of him at all. I'm just thinking practically of who we are likely to take.

 

[Apex36]

He was still only 13 this year playing in the under 15s, so we have another 4-5 years to wait. 2021 or 2022 drafts depending on when he turned 14.

2021. He turned 14 in January.

 

[loki04]

2021. He turned 14 in January.

Hmm according to this he was still 13 as of May 2017, remembering he was still able to play in u13s. Which if he was 14 he wouldn't of been able and wouldn't of been stepping up a grade either.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/f3fb67666ead9084b08fde63b57f7c17

“The guys in the 15s program have been really excited by what they’ve seen of him.

“He’s literally 13 at the moment. Generally we don’t have the kids come in until their proper year, but dad approached us and … we were more than happy to accommodate it.”

Notman said “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree” with both the boys.

“There’s a lot of time between now and when he becomes available in a draft capacity, so he’ll certainly grow up and we’re looking forward to having him involved over the next four years.”

 

[DrDavoren]

At this early stage my think / hopes are below and based on the top 4 of Cerra / Dow / Rayner and LDU are gone.

# 6

If we kept the first selection the obvious one is Brander. Can play both ends and so lots to work with but I am not sure he is the 6th best player available and its a massive bet to bid up a player with that first pick for a need hence I am a little inclined to pass. Dont get me wrong his best is very good but I have seen him a fair bit and their is a gulf between best and worst. Particularly when one of them he got taken apart.

In deference I would look at;

Stephenson - I think he just oozes that class that Wells gave us. Can play HF, is a great runner, has x factor, will make things happen and has now demonstrated he can play well in the midfield and win contested footy. He has been one I have watched for 3 years. He is good and getting better.

Coffield - this kid has composure in spades. He is elite through HB and the middle. Reminds me a lot of Scharenberg in his draft year. Has a lot of flexibility and plays well in bigs games. His kicking is elite. If he plays well in the All Star game (like Stephenson) watch up for them to climb and possibly Cerra to drift.

Fogarty - kid has been hard done by given he played the year with injury. He didnt show his best as a result but he for mine was a top 2-3 pick coming in. Reminds me of Hodge. Plays well anywhere, is a leader and absolutely the bloke you want at your club.


# 36

I think the club will be able to land a tall here for sure. The depth of key backs is pretty good in the draft. In order;

Petty - I called for Brennan Cox last year and whilst still happy with Sam M Brennan showed what he is capable of with a really top notch first year. This kid Petty equally as good but a definite key back. Get him and I would be pretty confident between Sam McClarty and Petty we have the back talls solved for a while. Has put in some first rate performance in Adelaide at school and club level. Terrific mark, good with ball in hand, agile. Goes well.

Claravino - Dont be surprised if he gets targetted by us. Pretty sure will still be here but like Petty a chance depending on clubs needs ahead could still be. Just a terrific shut down defender, who can intercept and work off with good skill.

Wooller - Toby isnt a defender he is a forward but he has a lot of scope. I'd be inclined to take him. Real tempo player, works hard, brings small into the game, agile, understands leading patterns and has good skills. Only issue is very rarely do key forwards taken post 12-15 actually end up being A graders.

Krueger - Really love this kid just not sure where his best spot is. Very agile tall who just has this knack of being in good places. Been a bit up and down but a lovely mover, good hands and kicks well. Sort of reminds of Schoemaker at same age...sort of. Classic sort of kid which presents with plenty of upside....just not sure where that ceiling is.


#54 & 59

Depends on what has happened above so have a few different types;

Ben Paton - Been trialled with Pies VFL as a 23rd player and performed well. Its been his TAC games and Champs that have shone though. Saturday was classic. Just stood out as one of the class players on the paddock. Runs out of back, links up, brings others in, runs good patterns and uses well. Really keen to get him as could play quickly.

Noah Answerth - real quality player who best spot is off HB. Didnt play this year due to injury so might slide. Terrific athlete, speed and skill. He would be a good get.

Hayden McLean - A key position player who could play at either end. I have seen him play well both and its largely because he is just a real competitive bugger. Crashes packs, takes a mark, works at ground level. Question mark on him is ground coverage. If he tests well is worth looking at.

Ethan Penrith - there are a few smalls worth looking at. Thompson, Jarniestrom, Daniels are others I'd look at but Ethan can go both ways. reminds me of Impey with less aggression. Can play small forward or back. huge talent and could be a Johnansen type but he has to be more consistent. Elite speed and skill.

Tim Kelly - very smooth mid / HF type from WAFL who have been watching for a while. He has Wells like attributes in that comp and delivers the ball well into the forwards. Would be the mature age I would look at.


# 78

Haiden Schloithe - If you want immediate speed and pressure from a mature body in your forward half get this kid. On Freo list, dropped and dominated WAFL for a while. He is ready to go and would walk into our side most likely with some good NAB performances

Tyler Brown - He is worth taking here.

Trent Mynott - A real favourite of mine and reckon he is a very smart player with elite skill. Terrific in traffic and makes good decision just needs to get more of it.

Ethan Floyd - Mid / HB / Wing sort of player who has terrific speed and skill. Been good with the Falcons and reckon he would step up nicely.

Brandon Starcevich - Could well go earlier but a really competitive, well built, classy HF type who is better at pressure / ground level than in the air. Hasnt got the class of others but his work rate and pressure elite and his skill level is very good. Reminds me a bit of Bruest at same age.

Great post, is Brandon son of Craig? And if so does he qualify under Father Son?

 

[Harry O]

Would happily trade pick 6 up for pick 1 to get a crack at LDU. Looks an absolute jet and would start at half back like Callum Mills before becoming an A grade midfielder

 

[Apex36]

Hmm according to this he was still 13 as of May 2017, rememberinghe was still able to play in u13s whih if he was 14 he wouldn't of been able and wouldn't of been stepping up a grade either.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/f3fb67666ead9084b08fde63b57f7c17

“The guys in the 15s program have been really excited by what they’ve seen of him.

“He’s literally 13 at the moment. Generally we don’t have the kids come in until their proper year, but dad approached us and … we were more than happy to accommodate it.”

Notman said “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree” with both the boys.

“There’s a lot of time between now and when he becomes available in a draft capacity, so he’ll certainly grow up and we’re looking forward to having him involved over the next four years.”

Announcement on nicks BB, Jan 8th 2003:

http://nick.magpies.net/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6020

Pretty sure that makes him 14 unless I've forgotten how to count.

 

[loki04]

Announcement on nicks BB, Jan 8th 2003:

http://nick.magpies.net/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6020

Pretty sure that makes him 14 unless I've forgotten how to count.

Better tell his coach then as he still thinks he's 13 going off that article, so he's in u15s and meant to be, not playing a grade up just bottom aged...or do vics grades work different to the rest of aus?

 

[Apex36]

Better tell his coach then as he still thinks he's 13 going off that article, so he's in u15s and meant to be not playing a grade up just bottom aged...or do vics grades work different to the rest of aus?

Pretty sure that the grades work on the age of the player as of Jan 1, at least in the TAC system.

 

[Soups]

Great post, is Brandon son of Craig? And if so does he qualify under Father Son?

Craig is his uncle.

 

[Quicky]

If we retain pick 6, which we should imo unless we secure Lynch, I like the look of three options. Each different but each a list need.

Coffield is silk. I love his movement, his decision making, his skills by foot and hand. I reckon we'd be pretty complete back there with Coffield on the list and assuming McLarty comes on. If you subscribe to the theory you build from ths back I reckon Coffield is the guy.

Stephenson as a goal scorer. I like it that his first instinct is to run the ball straight and if in goal range pull the trigger. He's goal instincts look good. His skills okay but not perfect. Reminds me a bit of WHE actually but less silky and more of a goal scorer.

Balta. I like his combination of size, defensive ability, speed and agility. And willingness to use thst speed offensively. We would be set at key back between Balta and McLarty. But he's still a touch speculative. But i'm convinced he's our go if we decide to go key position.

It's such a shame this draft doesn't have key position forwards in it. But even pick 6 is drifting out a bit for a top rated key forward.

I'd be happy with something like Coffield / Petty. Or Balta / Richards. But leaning towards the first one.

Lynch as a free agent next year would go nicely with that too.

 

[loki04]

If we retain pick 6, which we should imo unless we secure Lynch, I like the look of three options. Each different but each a list need.

Coffield is silk. I love his movement, his decision making, his skills by foot and hand. I reckon we'd be pretty complete back there with Coffield on the list and assuming McLarty comes on. If you subscribe to the theory you build from ths back I reckon Coffield is the guy.

Stephenson as a goal scorer. I like it that his first instinct is to run the ball straight and if in goal range pull the trigger. He's goal instincts look good. His skills okay but not perfect. Reminds me a bit of WHE actually but less silky and more of a goal scorer.

Balta. I like his combination of size, defensive ability, speed and agility. And willingness to use thst speed offensively. We would be set at key back between Balta and McLarty. But he's still a touch speculative. But i'm convinced he's our go if we decide to go key position.

It's such a shame this draft doesn't have key position forwards in it. But even pick 6 is drifting out a bit for a top rated key forward.

I'd be happy with something like Coffield / Petty. Or Balta / Richards. But leaning towards the first one.

Lynch as a free agent next year would go nicely with that too.

Balta has had good games in tac as a forward, he isn't purely a defender he was just played there exclusively in the Metro team. Pies could use him either end.

 

[Apex36]

Just re-watched Balta's highlights vs SA. That run from half back and kick to FF...

I'd be more than happy to take him at 6.

 

[Quicky]

Balta has had good games in tac as a forward, he isn't purely a defender he was just played there exclusively in the Metro team. Pies could use him either end.

What's he look like as a forward?