Game Day 2017 National Draft

[Thefly38]

That be Stupid unless you are Getting someone like Tom Lynch

Agree

Why? Nothing wrong with trading next years first for a nice pick this year and backing ourselves to rise up the ladder, say we got pick 11 this year, it would get us what we want now.

Could potentially land both Fogerty and Balta.

If we were to do that I would only consider if it was a very good round 1 pick. St Kildas 7 or Freos 5

 

[Thefly38]

Davies - Uniacke will be an absolute JET

 

[The Young Chevalier]

Whats the thinking around Hayden McClean? I really like what I've seen from him but he is seemingly a low down prospect. Why is this?

 

[DWil6]

Yep, the one who is marginally ahead of Howe in 4th and Langdon in 5th league wide, about 1 and 1.4 less per game than Lever. But I reckon they'd have him well covered for just about every other stat like disposals, marks, contested possessions, meters gained. I'd reckon he's just become about their top earner now and I doubt he's the most worthy of that. If he becomes worthy then they've done well, otherwise....

So better than Langdon with 3 less years experience and better than Howe with 6 less years. In fact better than anyone currently playing the game, as a 21 year old. They would be justified in their excitement.

 

[Soups]

Whats the thinking around Hayden McClean? I really like what I've seen from him but he is seemingly a low down prospect. Why is this?

His pace is an issue from what I have seen.

 

[Matt_352]

Is it worth taking Petty or are lockdown key defenders redundant

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Agree



If we were to do that I would only consider if it was a very good round 1 pick. St Kildas 7 or Freos 5

Unrealistic, no one's going to do that deal, IMO 9-11 is fair.

If Hine really rates someone why not do it? I realise 2018 is a stronger draft but we could end up with pick 12 or thereabouts, give me pick 11 this year so we can get a preseason into a kid.

 

[partypie]

Rayner is one l have not given to much thought to, as l reckon it’s a given that he will not be there at 6. If he is then that’s a whole different question.

If he's there then it's not even a question - you take him.

 

[Luke321]

Would not trade our first round pick next year for another first round pick this year. Next year's draft is supposed to be really good. We don't know where we will finish. We could finish top 8 or similar to this year.

 

[TradeDraft]

Why? Nothing wrong with trading next years first for a nice pick this year and backing ourselves to rise up the ladder, say we got pick 11 this year, it would get us what we want now.

Could potentially land both Fogerty and Balta.

Could but Lynch is Pretty Much a Sure Thing and those 2 are No Gurantees

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Whats the thinking around Hayden McClean? I really like what I've seen from him but he is seemingly a low down prospect. Why is this?

Picture Jarrod Witts with cement boots

 

[Schraderbrau]

heard it here first - jobe Watson to assistant coach at Collingwood next year

oops

 

[BPikkers]

heard it here first - jobe Watson to assistant coach at Collingwood next year

If that’s true I think it will be a good thing. One thing about Watson is that he seems very honest, loyal and likeable. Still would like to see an older hand there.

 

[partypie]

So better than Langdon with 3 less years experience and better than Howe with 6 less years. In fact better than anyone currently playing the game, as a 21 year old. They would be justified in their excitement.

Let's not get too carried away - put Howe in the Crows system and he'd dominate.

Langdon would also make a pretty solid fist of it in their system I suspect.

I think it's stupid to be throwing everything at him right now tbh - yes he looks good at 21 but how much of that is Adelaide's highly drilled game plan and structures (and thus how much of his current form would translate to a different / lesser team) is the question I would have.

 

[Scodog10]

So better than Langdon with 3 less years experience and better than Howe with 6 less years. In fact better than anyone currently playing the game, as a 21 year old. They would be justified in their excitement.

I'm confused by this. Langdon has been in the system only one year longer, has better numbers except for intercepts per game (understandable given he's competing with Howe and Shaz), has played only one more match and is under two years older.

Look I'm not a fan of Langdon's either because of his complete lack of intensity, but I can at least acknowledge that the two are not far apart at all in terms of production. I'll also tell you this there's no way on Gods green earth that we even get a top 10 pick let alone possibly two for Tom. They overpaid regardless of their excitement and I'm incredibly thankful we didn't get in on that one!

 

[Apex36]

I'm confused by this. Langdon has been in the system only one year longer, has better numbers except for intercepts per game (understandable given he's competing with Howe and Shaz), has played only one more match and is under two years older.

Look I'm not a fan of Langdon's either because of his complete lack of intensity, but I can at least acknowledge that the two are not far apart at all in terms of production. I'll also tell you this there's no way on Gods green earth that we even get a top 10 pick let alone possibly two for Tom. They overpaid regardless of their excitement and I'm incredibly thankful we didn't get in on that one!

It will be very interesting to see how Lever performs in a lesser system at Melbourne. If he has an average year Melbourne supporters will very likely be spitting chips at their recruiters while they watch everyone else grab their first round prospects in a strong draft.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I'm confused by this. Langdon has been in the system only one year longer, has better numbers except for intercepts per game (understandable given he's competing with Howe and Shaz), has played only one more match and is under two years older.

Look I'm not a fan of Langdon's either because of his complete lack of intensity, but I can at least acknowledge that the two are not far apart at all in terms of production. I'll also tell you this there's no way on Gods green earth that we even get a top 10 pick let alone possibly two for Tom. They overpaid regardless of their excitement and I'm incredibly thankful we didn't get in on that one!

I agree, let's trade Langdon for two first rounders.

 

[partypie]

If that’s true I think it will be a good thing. One thing about Watson is that he seems very honest, loyal and likeable. Still would like to see an older hand there.

Not so sure - he seems to have lost a bit of pep in his step over the past few years.

 

[sr36]

I'm confused by this. Langdon has been in the system only one year longer, has better numbers except for intercepts per game (understandable given he's competing with Howe and Shaz), has played only one more match and is under two years older.

Look I'm not a fan of Langdon's either because of his complete lack of intensity, but I can at least acknowledge that the two are not far apart at all in terms of production. I'll also tell you this there's no way on Gods green earth that we even get a top 10 pick let alone possibly two for Tom. They overpaid regardless of their excitement and I'm incredibly thankful we didn't get in on that one!

I reckon the Dees have done well.

If Lever's draft was redone, he'd go Pick 1 or 2. What's pick 1 or 2 worth in terms of lower draft picks?

If a club traded Pick 10 and next year's we'll say Pick 10 for Pick 1 and a pick in the 30s, would you consider them having overpaid?

 

[Scodog10]

I reckon the Dees have done well.

If Lever's draft was redone, he'd go Pick 1 or 2. What's pick 1 or 2 worth in terms of lower draft picks?

If a club traded Pick 10 and next year's we'll say Pick 10 for Pick 1 and a pick in the 30s, would you consider them having overpaid?

I'm not taking him ahead of Petracca, Heeney or Moore personally those three will be upper echelon. I'd have him in the second bracket with JDG, Blakely and Wright. If he was a KPD the discussion shifts, but as an intercepting defender I'm not seeing it. Again taking it back to Langdon and his performance is on par. If Langdon were in that draft there's no way I'm taking him top 2!

 

[Apex36]

I'm not taking him ahead of Petracca, Heeney or Moore personally those three will be upper echelon. I'd have him in the second bracket with JDG, Blakely and Wright. If he was a KPD the discussion shifts, but as an intercepting defender I'm not seeing it. Again taking it back to Langdon and his performance is on par. If Langdon were in that draft there's no way I'm taking him top 2!

Would put Andrews ahead of him too. Genuine KPD.

 

[sr36]

I'm not taking him ahead of Petracca, Heeney or Moore personally those three will be upper echelon. I'd have him in the second bracket with JDG, Blakely and Wright. If he was a KPD the discussion shifts, but as an intercepting defender I'm not seeing it. Again taking it back to Langdon and his performance is on par. If Langdon were in that draft there's no way I'm taking him top 2!

To me, pigeon holing Lever as being not a KPD is like saying that JDG and Petracca are only half forward flankers.

 

[Apex36]

I reckon the Dees have done well.

If Lever's draft was redone, he'd go Pick 1 or 2. What's pick 1 or 2 worth in terms of lower draft picks?

If a club traded Pick 10 and next year's we'll say Pick 10 for Pick 1 and a pick in the 30s, would you consider them having overpaid?

Would he? Sounds like you’ve been listening to the Adelaide propaganda machine.

 

[sr36]

Would he? Sounds like you’ve been listening to the Adelaide propaganda machine.

Or maybe I just have a different view than you. And have a different perspective on the value of certain skills. The best one on one defender that I have ever seen is Matthew Scarlett, yet for most of his career the Cats preferred to play him in a looser role where he could have more impact. Same went for Dustin Fletcher, same with Jeremy McGovern, even Rance only gets the gun tall if their other defenders can't match up on him. A gun tall intercepting defender with great decision making is much more valuable than type of player that you want him to be.

I also think that Lever will develop into a gun as a 'kpd' - all he's lacking is strength. Like i suggested earlier, writing him off from playing as a 'kpd' is like suggesting that many of the up and coming mids from that draft are only flankers, because that is where they are being developed whilst they build up the attributes to become full time mids. But with Lever, I don't even think it matters, because even if he does become a gun stopper, Melbourne will still try to use him in a looser role where he can have more impact.

 

[Apex36]

Or maybe I just have a different view than you. And have a different perspective on the value of certain skills. The best one on one defender that I have ever seen is Matthew Scarlett, yet for most of his career the Cats preferred to play him in a looser role where he could have more impact. Same went for Dustin Fletcher, same with Jeremy McGovern, even Rance only gets the gun tall if their other defenders can't match up on him. A gun tall intercepting defender with great decision making is much more valuable than type of player that you want him to be.

I also think that Lever will develop into a gun as a 'kpd' - all he's lacking is strength. Like i suggested earlier, writing him off from playing as a 'kpd' is like suggesting that many of the up and coming mids from that draft are only flankers, because that is where they are being developed whilst they build up the attributes to become full time mids. But with Lever, I don't even think it matters, because even if he does become a gun stopper, Melbourne will still try to use him in a looser role where he can have more impact.

Levers problem isn’t strength, it’s speed. He lacks the closing pace of a Rance which means he gets exposed if he plays loose in the intercept role on a key forward. He may develop in to a competent key defender in time. He may stay as a loose 3rd intercept type. But he’s never going to become that Rance or McGovern type who can mind the 1st or 2nd KPF imo. They can do what they do because of their speed and athleticism. Lever won’t be able to get away with that because he’s slow as a wet week and he’ll get exposed when his man goes on the lead, just as we saw vs Essendon this year.