Game Day 2017 National Draft

[sr36]

As well as being top 5 for hitouts per game league wide and 1st for hitouts to advantage (at least he was in August when ch 7 put up the stats at the time) if he’s not top in that category he’s top 3 minimum. Easy to neglect that stuff to suit your agenda though.

Face it, we gave up a ruckman capable of giving mids absolute silver service for a pittance. Posters were, and still are, right to be angry about giving him up for so little. Anyone with half a brain who’d watched him in the VFL last year could see that he was primed for a breakout year.

The astonishing thing is that teams like Western Bulldogs an Essendon who were in need of someone like him couldn't see it and weren't interested. What really cost us what that no other teams showed any interest.

 

[Apex36]

The astonishing thing is that teams like Western Bulldogs an Essendon who were in need of someone like him couldn't see it and weren't interested. What really cost us what that no other teams showed any interest.

Nah, it was reported over the course of a couple of months leading up to the trade period that several clubs were interested, but once he nominated GC as his destination that all became irrelevant.

Hines poor negotiating cost us, not lack of interest from other clubs.

 

[jackcass]

Hey all, can I ask what the thinking on this board is about your pick 6, and whether you should go for best available (Coffield, Cerra, Brayshaw) or try and reach for a KPP (Brander, Naughton, Balta) which seems to me to be a big position of need (please correct me if I'm wrong). The only one who kind of fits both is Fogarty but let's say for the sake of argument he's taken by Fremantle at 5. I'm sure there's a multitude of views but is there any level of consensus?

If this is unwelcome feel free to tell me to leave and I will.

We'll definitely take someone at 6.

Should take best available.

 

[jackcass]

Witts might have been worth a pick in the 20's based on potential but in reality he wasn't worth it at that stage and even now averages a dozen possessions and 2 marks in a crap team

Yet he ranked 5th league wide for average hitouts per game... ahead of Ryder and Gawn... which as a ruckman is sorta relevant.

Compared to Sandilands:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...tid2=9&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=40&fid1=S&fid2=S
Gawn:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=12&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=3346&fid1=S&fid2=S
Ryder:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=14&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=1613&fid1=S&fid2=S
and Grundy:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=5&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=3812&fid1=S&fid2=S

He stacks up pretty well.

 

[Stoods]

Yet he ranked 5th league wide for average hitouts per game... ahead of Ryder and Gawn... which as a ruckman is sorta relevant.

Compared to Sandilands:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...tid2=9&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=40&fid1=S&fid2=S
Gawn:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=12&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=3346&fid1=S&fid2=S
Ryder:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=14&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=1613&fid1=S&fid2=S
and Grundy:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=5&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=3812&fid1=S&fid2=S

He stacks up pretty well.

still prefer Grundy.

 

[jackcass]

still prefer Grundy.

Comes into his own once the ruck contest is over, shame playing both didn't work out. Hopefully we have better luck with the Grundy - Cox pairing.

 

[Stoods]

Comes into his own once the ruck contest is over, shame playing both didn't work out. Hopefully we have better luck with the Grundy - Cox pairing.

i reckon we will, one thing Cox has over Witts is his ability to play forward. Witts wasn't great up forward by memory, he was always going to strive when given an opportunity as a number 1 ruck as that is his position.

 

[getgaff]

Pick 60 was Brent Daniels, SF from the Pioneers, which leaves me 1 live pick left.

 

[Thefly38]

Im least excited by Brander of all the names that have been thrown up as possible as pick 6

 

[Darkyprotector]

The Murray trade and possible bidding is yet to fully play out, but I'm happy to revisit it in 12 months. What's more certain is the Witts trade where we accepted picks 44 + 62 instead of one of GC plethora of picks in the 20s again under the guise of needing points. The common trend with both deals is other clubs valuing early picks (that in itself should say something), but which hand is best?

What see accepted for Witts (44, 62)||(30) McLarty|(35) Brown

(matched using 44 - Witts trade )
|(50) Kirby|(57) Daicos

(pick from Witts trade) |(59) pass|(RD7) McCarthy|(RD24) Schade|(RD40) Mackie |(RD51) Lynch
\Getting a pick in the 20s for Witts|(20s) Cox/Long/Parfitt/
Fisher/Lipinski/Bolton

Maybe we reached for Sean Darcy given he'd trained with our VFL team possibly switching picks with McLarty?|(30) McLarty|(35) Brown

(matched using 50, plus 52 point deficit meaning 59 slides back to 64 )
|(61) Would Kirby still be here or would Richmond have passed over Jack Graham to select him?
|(72) Daicos

(We could have matched any bid after 57 with this pick) ||(RD7) McCarthy|(RD24) Schade||(RD40) Lynch

(I'm assuming we still took a ruck)
\Letting Witts walk if we couldn't get a 20s pick||(30) McLarty|(35) Brown

(matched using 50, plus 52 point deficit meaning 59 slides back to 64 )
|(61) Would Kirby still be here?
|(72) Daicos||(RD7) McCarthy|(RD24) Schade|(RD40) Mackie|(RD51) Lynch

Nice work
I believe we would have certainly missed out on Kirkby as tigers we all know we're very disappointed in missing him , plan b graham
So the question is where do we rate him in the scheme of things
Really feel that kk is a VERY VERY special talent and proved it with his output of a very low base he's ahead already on the list you mentioned
He outshown a fair few draftees taken before him
His upside is much higher as well
Your post shows we would t have got him
REAL GLAD WE DID

 

[DraftBalta]

Yet he ranked 5th league wide for average hitouts per game... ahead of Ryder and Gawn... which as a ruckman is sorta relevant.

Compared to Sandilands:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...tid2=9&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=40&fid1=S&fid2=S
Gawn:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=12&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=3346&fid1=S&fid2=S
Ryder:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=14&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=1613&fid1=S&fid2=S
and Grundy:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=5&type=A&pid1=3701&pid2=3812&fid1=S&fid2=S

He stacks up pretty well.

For the old style dinosaur ruckman he's ok, but minimal possessions and 2 marks a game isn't a pick in the 20's

 

[DraftBalta]

I'm guessing you didn't watch much VFL in 2016? Based on his improvement and also the history of other ruck trades Witts was worth every bit of a pick in the 20s at the time. A lot on here were saying as much before the trade was done, which is only reinforced by Witts establishing himself as GCs #1 ruck. Further 20s picks were largely redundant to GC; GC traded 25 for 35 + 43 with WB almost straight after obtaining Witts.

Yes I wish he was still taking 2 marks a game for us like he is now at 25 yr in his prime

 

[DraftBalta]

As well as being top 5 for hitouts per game league wide and 1st for hitouts to advantage (at least he was in August when ch 7 put up the stats at the time) if he’s not top in that category he’s top 3 minimum. Easy to neglect that stuff to suit your agenda though.

Face it, we gave up a ruckman capable of giving mids absolute silver service for a pittance. Posters were, and still are, right to be angry about giving him up for so little. Anyone with half a brain who’d watched him in the VFL last year could see that he was primed for a breakout year.

2 marks a game... and he's in his prime... pfft

 

[Horaceg]

Im least excited by Brander of all the names that have been thrown up as possible as pick 6

Me too but from a needs perspective he's best available. I like Cerra but do we need him, Coffield adds something but do we need to take the punt. I am in the best available build currency in talent and trade off later as need arises.

 

[Apex36]

2 marks a game... and he's in his prime... pfft

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...ayerStatus2=A&tid2=24&pid2=3701&fid2=O&type=A

Sandilands clearly a much better player because he took 1 more mark per game at the same age

 

[DraftBalta]

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...ayerStatus2=A&tid2=24&pid2=3701&fid2=O&type=A

Sandilands clearly a much better player because he took 1 more mark per game at the same age

Another dinosaur that ruled the Earth for 5 minutes... and that's supposed to translate well for Witts who is barely bothering the statistician? pfft

Pretty happy with the modern template in Grundy thanks, he's like an extra mid

 

[Johno9911]

Two players that I wouldn't mind the club taking late are Matt Guelfi (Claremont) and Hayden McLean,

Guelfi is a classic 'Mr Fix-It", and I think his best position is as a shut down small defender, a role he's played a bit throughout the last two seasons. 183cm, strong overhead and with a decent turn of speed he ticks a lot of boxes in a role we need to fill.

McLean meanwhile is a giant of a kid at 198cm and already 95kj. His marking both on a lead and in a contest is elite, and is a nice shot for goal.Had a few injuries throughout the year which held him back a bit.

Would love if the club walked away with;
6. Coffield/ Fogarty
38. Petty (if he can last this long)
56. McLean
61. Guelfi
Either 70 or Rookie pick for T Brown

 

[Apex36]

Another dinosaur that ruled the Earth for 5 minutes... colour me underwhelmed

Pretty happy with the modern template in Grundy thanks

This isn’t a debate on Witts vs Grundy, don’t shift the goal posts. This is about us getting shafted on the Witts trade with GC. He was worth every bit of a pick in the 20’s, which GC had plenty of.

There are very few posters who would take Witts over Grundy, that’s an entirely different conversation.

And Sandilands ruled the world for 5 minutes? He dominated the comp for half a decade, won 4 AA’s and 2 best and fairests. Pull your hand off it, because clearly you’re going blind.

 

[Apex36]

but he has more possessions, marks, hit outs and that's supposed to translate well for Witts who is barely bothering the statistician? pfft

You might want to re-check those stats there old chum, seems you’re getting confused. Witts also well ahead in tackles.

 

[DraftBalta]

This isn’t a debate on Witts vs Grundy, don’t shift the goal posts.

Says the guy making it a Sandilands vs Witts debate... pfft

 

[Mongo Ming]

Hey all, can I ask what the thinking on this board is about your pick 6, and whether you should go for best available (Coffield, Cerra, Brayshaw) or try and reach for a KPP (Brander, Naughton, Balta) which seems to me to be a big position of need (please correct me if I'm wrong). The only one who kind of fits both is Fogarty but let's say for the sake of argument he's taken by Fremantle at 5. I'm sure there's a multitude of views but is there any level of consensus?

If this is unwelcome feel free to tell me to leave and I will.

I’ve kind of narrowed my focus exclusively to Fogarty and Coffield now*

You could make an argument that both would be best available at that pick and both (kind of) fill an immediate list need. Not as much as a KPF sure, but the key talls around the top 10 this year don’t inspire me and I’d be grabbing a project KPF instead at pick 38.

*Nb; If someone remarkable from the top 4 somehow slips to 6 you’d be crazy not to nab them

 

[Matt_352]

Fogarty or Bust

 

[jackcass]

For the old style dinosaur ruckman he's ok, but minimal possessions and 2 marks a game isn't a pick in the 20's

Gee, Paddy Ryder was all Australian ruckman this year yet he averaged less possessions and less hitouts per game than Witts in a shit team (according to you). That extra mark a game and 0.2 goals a game must be telling. Clearly I'm seeing something completely different to you.

And for the record, Ryder cost PA picks 17 and 37 (equivalent to pick 8-9 on points value). A pick in the 20's seems more than reasonable for Witts rather than the equivalent of pick 36-37.

 

[Darkyprotector]

As well as being top 5 for hitouts per game league wide and 1st for hitouts to advantage (at least he was in August when ch 7 put up the stats at the time) if he’s not top in that category he’s top 3 minimum. Easy to neglect that stuff to suit your agenda though.

Face it, we gave up a ruckman capable of giving mids absolute silver service for a pittance. Posters were, and still are, right to be angry about giving him up for so little. Anyone with half a brain who’d watched him in the VFL last year could see that he was primed for a breakout year.

Check out that shoulder though Apex
Damaged goods and damaged it again during year
Didn't dominate vfl
Hines fault hardly things after all are only worth what can be get
Define value it's an opinion
He had Low currency therefore because of the shoulder (hence his poor marking) and is soft due to that Injury and his general approach well known I might add
We did well to get what we did
Never ever worth a top 20
On the bright side Great we got Kirby and cox is much better
Lets move on

 

[jackcass]

This isn’t a debate on Witts vs Grundy, don’t shift the goal posts. This is about us getting shafted on the Witts trade with GC. He was worth every bit of a pick in the 20’s, which GC had plenty of.

There are very few posters who would take Witts over Grundy, that’s an entirely different conversation.

And Sandilands ruled the world for 5 minutes? He dominated the comp for half a decade, won 4 AA’s and 2 best and fairests. Pull your hand off it, because clearly you’re going blind.

Yep, I was 1 of Witts biggest fans, even at stages had him ahead of Grundy, but the longer term potential always had Grundy in front.