2017 trade/draft thread

[RookiePick]

Who is suggesting we try for Ah Chee for any more than a packet of chips? My understanding was we pick him up as a DFA so he just costs salary and a spot...

 

[The Dodger]

I think its worth a punt if you are taking an inside mid from a team that has very good inside mids. Which is a weakness of ours. Particularly if they have some overhead ability or another string to the bow so to speak.

 

[Obeanie1]

All the best 22 at other clubs. They filled their gaps expertly not haphazardly. They knew they were a few experienced players away from a flag. We will be filling gaps just to maintain
a 10-11 place finish for next few seasons.

We lack a couple off inside mids and a small forward.

Do we have gaps everywhere?

 

[Obeanie1]

Who is suggesting we try for Ah Chee for any more than a packet of chips? My understanding was we pick him up as a DFA so he just costs salary and a spot...

You only become a DFA if you are not offered a contract.

 

[new breed]

Port Adelaide and Carlton the two teams interested in free agent Rockliff ...probably a sign that Rockliff is not coming West .

Also Acres signed on at Saints so he definitely not arriving either .

Motlop might be a chance but I think he played footy in SA so probably wont move West .

Number of players available dwindling a little so if we go to the draft including Tim Kelly would be okay but I certainly expect to see Hartung to us at some stage in the next few weeks which would be okay if we keep Gaff and our first round pick .

 

[RookiePick]

You only become a DFA if you are not offered a contract.

So if Port offer a contract Ah Chee would have to retire and go to the draft if he was determined to move elsewhere?

Well you would hope in that instance Port wouldn't be assholes. Although with Kochie in charge who knows...

 

[Dark Sharks]

Port will play hard ball with Ah Chee (retain him on their list), we aren't getting him for free if we want him.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

You only become a DFA if you are not offered a contract.

Or they delist you as a favor like swans did with membry

 

[ChampRevesby]

Port will play hard ball with Ah Chee (retain him on their list), we aren't getting him for free if we want him.

Especially after the Elimination Final loss. The tears flowed that day.

 

[Godfather32]

Especially after the Elimination Final loss. The tears flowed that day.

Then again if Kochie doesn't think he wants to win a premiership they might just let him go

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Port will play hard ball with Ah Chee (retain him on their list), we aren't getting him for free if we want him.

Marley Williams traded for pick 105
Aaron black traded for pick 92
Rhys palmer traded for pick 135
vardy pick 72
Lyndon Dunn + 51 for 47

Can see the ahchee trade being like those trades

 

[ChampRevesby]

Marley Williams traded for pick 105
Aaron black traded for pick 92
Rhys palmer traded for pick 135
vardy pick 72
Lyndon Dunn + 51 for 47

Can see the ahchee trade being like those trades

Can also see it being a Wellingham 2.0. Anything is possible with our recruiters.

 

[sey666]

Then again if Kochie doesn't think he wants to win a premiership they might just let him go

This is kind of obvious if he nominates Fremantle, isn’t it?

 

[Obeanie1]

Then again if Kochie doesn't think he wants to win a premiership they might just let him go

Did Ah chee walk across the line within the allocated 30 seconds?

 

[Obeanie1]

Can also see it being a Wellingham 2.0. Anything is possible with our recruiters.

No it isnt. It isnt remotely possible that our recruiters would teade a first round pick for Ah chee.

 

[Obeanie1]

So if Port offer a contract Ah Chee would have to retire and go to the draft if he was determined to move elsewhere?

Well you would hope in that instance Port wouldn't be assholes. Although with Kochie in charge who knows...

If he refused the offer he geta delisted just not classed as a delisted free agent. Then nominates the draft.

If we want him we will trade for him. Masten come on down.

 

[ziad]

These are the boys to snagged Mitchell for Pick 88

 

[Monocle]

Port will play hard ball with Ah Chee (retain him on their list), we aren't getting him for free if we want him.

Not so sure on that, it may well depend on how much cap they need to free up if they win the race for Rockcliff's signature.
The key to this will be if Trengrove moves on , if he doesn't their cap space may be tight.

 

[dajesmac]

Ah Chee is uncontracted so I suspect it will be a 4th or 5th rounder offered.

 

[amazingjoshy]

We have two options. Go conservative by filling over some gaps and letting our stars peter out; or be a little more progressive and take a punt on picking up some gun talent in the draft over the next 2-3 years (taking a few hits early on) so our current stars can have a chance at a flag. Not interesting in another 4-5 years of mediocrity with a team that will never cut it. I'd rather we linger down the bottom of the ladder by taking a chance on some gun kids than persisting with the status quo. Need to get someone in there that can actually identify and develop talent that can take the club to flag. Look if Ah Chee is free then sure, pick him up and fill that experience gap but not at the expense of a high draft pick.

Serious question, when exactly has a team "lingering down the bottom of the ladder" actually worked?

 

[Chris_6678]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/27/the-latest-on-hogan-watts-cameron-and-more/

West Coast’s Andrew Gaff has also “indicated to people he will come back” to Melbourne, according to Waldron, while Geelong has “gone cold” on Jake Stringer, and Essendon “won’t give a first-round pick” for the Dogs forward.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/27/the-latest-on-hogan-watts-cameron-and-more/

West Coast’s Andrew Gaff has also “indicated to people he will come back” to Melbourne, according to Waldron, while Geelong has “gone cold” on Jake Stringer, and Essendon “won’t give a first-round pick” for the Dogs forward.

Don't recall Waldron having the best hit rate.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Marley Williams traded for pick 105
Aaron black traded for pick 92
Rhys palmer traded for pick 135
vardy pick 72
Lyndon Dunn + 51 for 47

Can see the ahchee trade being like those trades

4th rounder is fine with me but anything earlier we'll be overpaying. Not exactly confident either, but Dajesmac just pointed out he's uncontracted which is something i didn't realize, tips things in our favour.

 

[new breed]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/27/the-latest-on-hogan-watts-cameron-and-more/

West Coast’s Andrew Gaff has also “indicated to people he will come back” to Melbourne, according to Waldron, while Geelong has “gone cold” on Jake Stringer, and Essendon “won’t give a first-round pick” for the Dogs forward.

Gaff for Hogan not impossible then ..

Still cannot see this happening we our midfield

 

[Agent93]

Crows have zero top ten picks and a bunch of recycled players

That's a bit of a fallacy given they traded pick 10 for the mini-draft pick to get Brad Crouch. You could also say since Crouch was a pick #2 he is therefore a top ten pick.

While I'm on a rant I hate AFL media's use of the term 'recycled player' as if someone who was traded for was thrown on the scrapheap and another club somehow did him a favour. If you're plucking a guy who played AFL previously from second-tier obscurity, sure that's recycling. But if you're signing a free agent who wants away from his other club, or trading for a player off his first contract then the club is simply recruiting another AFL player.

The relevance of the Sydney, Carlton, Richmond, and Adelaide references is that they've been attractive to players switching clubs, and generally those looking for more opportunity. This is where WCE fall down. For some reason Fremantle is more attractive to certain players. WCE tend to end up with the comfortable 'coming home' types. Redden is probably the only player in recent history looking to better his career with us.

Pick 7-10 range isn't a guaranteed star

What about picks 7-15? Clubs have opportunity, but choose not to taken certain players. For example:

2011: Greene, Docherty, Adams, Smith
2012: 2012 was shit.
2013: Sheed, Cripps, McCarthy, Jones
2014: Duggan, Weller, Lever
2015: Curnow