Whichever way you look at it, none of it adds up, and at some point, some authority might have to have a very close look at what Wyndham Council concocted here.
So who are you suggesting will pick up the bill: none of it adds up.
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Whichever way you look at it, none of it adds up, and at some point, some authority might have to have a very close look at what Wyndham Council concocted here.
Here are the FFA's own 2018 Registered Participant nos., including all separate state nos.
https://www.ffa.com.au/sites/ffa/files/2019-02/FFA 2018 National Participation Report.pdf
The total participant no. is 1,851,683 (cf AF total of 1,649,178).
Included in the 1,85, 683, the FFA counts
a. 550,495 in "Community Events and Promotional Experiences".
b. 93,401 in "Social Participants".
a. & b. do not include players in club & school competitions /programs., nor futsal.
Can anyone provide details on how the FFA defines a. & b.?
It is irksome that many soccer offiicals, soccer journalists, & MSM general sports' journalists claim, paraphrasing "Football/soccer has more players then the other 3 football codes combined". It is very unfortunate that the lazy, incompetent MSM do not challenge this falsehood- but simply regurgitate it.
It really is a dire situation they find themselves in. Fox could be the sole realistic bidder for their next rights if the current trend continues or even if they don’t get some good growth before the deal is up. It’s not just the TV rights either though, it’s also sponsorship. They actually do an amazing job to find quality sponsors with the size of their audience but you would imagine they couldn’t be happy with the current situation.Interesting report in the Fairfax papers today re the A League and Fox Sports
Owners must urgently address A-League's TV slump: Wanderers chair
By Vince Rugari
February 25, 2019 — 7.00pm
Western Sydney Wanderers chairman Paul Lederer admits club owners face an "urgent" task in halting an alarming decline in television ratings and bringing excitement back to the A-League as they seek to take control of the ailing competition.
Crowds have held steady across the board this season, but ratings figures on Fox Sports continue to nosedive and the pay TV operator's appetite for domestic football appears to be waning.
Fox's attempt to withhold a $5 million increase to the A-League's broadcast deal by arguing incoming expansion team Western United are not based in Melbourne – as well as their opposition to a longer 30-round season – suggest the competition is skating on thin ice.
There have also been fears that Fox could use the A-League's pending split from Football Federation Australia as a trigger to renegotiate – or, in what would be a doomsday scenario for the sport, tear up – the $58 million-per-year agreement which effectively covers the salary cap and expires in 2023.
FFV CEO P. Filopoulos sets out the model FFA template on how it will publicly lobby govts. & councils etc for more GR soccer facility funding -"...and, potentially, boutique stadia".
The FFV claims it successfully obtained $118,000,000 public funding in 2018 for GR soccer. "Govt. sources" say some of this funding "...has taken money off the table for the AFL". They also claim Vic. GR soccer "participant" nos. had a phenomenal "24% growth year on year from 2017".
The FFV has added a new & additional falsehood to soccer officials' litany of other falsehoods, re their participant nos. P. Filopoulos said "We are the only growing sport...". On previous history, it is unlikely the lazy & incompetent MSM will call the FFA/FFV etc to account for these falsehoods.
I hope & expect Govts. & Councils etc. are better informed of the actual participation facts.
Also, soccer has a broader range of programs, & has a multiplicity of year-round formats (eg futsal, summer soccer comps. & training programs); & is is FAR less physically demanding- so is likely to have many more participants counted twice or thrice (cf AF, RL, & RU).
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/ffvs-118-million-strategy-to-supercharge-football-519580
Who would have thunk it? It wasn't just a great big conspiracy against soccer after all, you just need to demonstrate community value when you are bidding for tax payer funding!
It’s all BS mate. Tassie soccer have about 11,000 players. “Participants” make up the rest. I remember hearing on the radio when they were talking about AFL neglecting Tassie that “soccer will take over” but apparently they actually have had a drop in actual players as well.Tasmanian soccer official, M. Bulkeley (CEO FT) said a few days ago, re Tasmania
" We have also set a target to grow participation to...a total of 26,000 players, volunteers, coaches and referees...".
This suggests the FFA includes "volunteers, coaches and referees" in its national total of 1,851,683 (2018) "participants".
Does anyone know, or have other information etc, this is soccer's definition of official, registered "participants".
The AFL does not include GR AF volunteers in its total (2018) of 1,649,178 "participants". IIRC, the AFL has previously claimed there are c. 200,000 AF volunteers in Australia.
https://footballfedtas.com.au/football-tasmania-releases-state-of-play-report/
(This includes the actual State Of Play Report)
In Tas. soccer's State Of Play Report, it states "Football participation in Tasmania is bursting at the seams, with over 17,000 registered participants making football the state's largest club-based sport".
Again this is a falsehood. The AFL claims c. 22,000 Tas. participants. Will the MSM challenge these soccer falsehoods? The FFA is using their own official participant statistics to propagate their case for increased govt., Council etc. funding (& probably private funding, sponsorships etc.)
Soccer count volunteers too apparently which seems crazy. I’m not sure what justifies a volunteer but nearly every club I’ve ever been at has had about 50 volunteers in some capacity. Most likely more actuallyAs long as everyone understands how the numbers are counted. If sports want to count players, officials, whatever, just do it as accurately as you can and qualify your numbers.
Double counting is a bit of an issue, but there are probably ways to reduce the impact of that.
It's very difficult to stage an official game of Australian Football, even at amateur level: at least six umps, 40 to 44 players, independent time keeper, coaches, managers, scoreboard attendants, a hell of a lot of people need to come together to get a game off the ground - it's probably something worth counting.
Tasmanian soccer official, M. Bulkeley (CEO FT) said a few days ago, re Tasmania
" We have also set a target to grow participation to...a total of 26,000 players, volunteers, coaches and referees...".
This suggests the FFA includes "volunteers, coaches and referees" in its national total of 1,851,683 (2018) "participants".
Does anyone know/confirm (or have other information etc.) if this is soccer's definition of official, registered "participants".
The AFL does not include GR AF volunteers in its total (2018) of 1,649,178 "participants". IIRC, the AFL has previously claimed there are c. 200,000 AF volunteers in Australia. (The 2008 Annual report said there were c. 100,000 volunteers in GR AF)
https://footballfedtas.com.au/football-tasmania-releases-state-of-play-report/
(This includes the actual State Of Play Report)
In Tas. soccer's State Of Play Report, it states "Football participation in Tasmania is bursting at the seams, with over 17,000 registered participants making football the state's largest club-based sport".
Again this is a falsehood. The AFL claims c. 44,407 Tas. Official, registered participants. Will the MSM challenge these soccer falsehoods? probably not, why? The FFA is using their own official participant statistics to propagate their case for increased govt., Council etc. funding (& probably private funding, sponsorships etc.). I suspect they are also making these falsehoods to Chinese, Middle Eastern entities to "boost" Australian soccer, & to invest in soccer in Australia.
When Soccer uses Ausplay figures, you dont like that.[Because Ausplay counts someone as a participant even if they played a particular sport ONLY ONCE in the last 12 months. This methodology strongly inflates soccer "participant" nos., cf AF, RL, & RU]
But when Soccer uses official participant statistics, you don't like that either.[I never said I don't like any sports' OWN official nos... I said there needs to be CLARITY in how they define "participants"]
What figures would you like instead[There should be CLARITY in sports' official nos. eg what does "community programs" mean? Does the FFA include volunteers in its official nos.?]
All participation numbers are a farce.
I’m surprised that AFL don’t count volunteers like soccer if you can get away with it.1. Yes, they are all not completely accurate.
The official nos. reported by all sports (including the AFL, FFA, NRL & RA) would have some player, sometimes, being counted twice or thrice- but the actual sports' own registrations are the most accurate figures available.
Soccer, due to its "easy" format/rules/relative safety/good recovery times/12 month pa playing availablity would have the most nos. of players who are counted, officially, multiple times.
AFL Victoria states, in 2018, Vic. has 80,000 AF volunteers.
https://aflvic.com.au/record-participation-for-football-in-victoria/
If the FFA is including volunteers, then the AFL can also include its, c.200,000, volunteers. This would result in Official AFL nos. being very close to official FFA nos.
2. Marketing experts are claiming that the NRL off-season scandals will have long term negative effects on the levels of funding it will receive from sponsors.
https://www.nambuccaguardian.com.au/story/5903771/nrl-warned-of-sponsor-exodus-over-scandals/
SEN Radio 28.2 G. Whateley program interviewed an NRL reporter (didn't hear the name)- who said the NRL has lost c. $10,000,000 in sponsorship due to the current negative publicity generated by the off-field poor NRL player behaviour/reporting.
I’m surprised that AFL don’t count volunteers like soccer if you can get away with it.
Given Australian Football requires double or triple the volunteers of other sports, you can hear the outcry now if the AFL started counting volunteers.
who is listening ?
The cynic in me would guess they are just waiting for the boom in female growth to end and will add them as soon as their is any negative growth. It makes no sense why they wouldn’t if other sports are.Given Australian Football requires double or triple the volunteers of other sports, you can hear the outcry now if the AFL started counting volunteers.