Game Day 2019 AFL Draft Day- RD1, RD2 + beyond

[year of the cat]

Looks can be deceiving .. as I said perhaps down the trace we will know more. Once it all settles down I think mst will be happy with him as a very percentage smart pick. Unlike Fogarty or Parfitt etc.. he is a big boy and will be able to hold his own ..perhaps earlier than Constable as he has the legs to run. Pressure will be on CC now..or perhaps together they compliment each other.

I have not seen any combine results for Dek.. that was my querry on him... does he have spring. He reminded me a bit of Blitz at times in the champs ..someone not like that but Blitz generally is a good mark ..and Dek is taller...as long as he can out jump Fort then he hs a huge amount of upside. I can remember a discussion with Knightmare where he to was on your train with McAsey.. but I think he had Dek as potentially a very higher ceilling but less developed ...I will have to look at his post draft notes..

If you think of it in the "moneyball", De Koning is far better value than McAsey IF you assume that their ceilings are similar. Different types I think but I'm warming to DK now at the pick. He seems to have good head on his shoulders and will do what he can to succeed. Think McAsey will be the better player, particularly earlier in their careers, but hopefully the gap from year 4-5 on isn't too great.

 

[Turbocat]

I'd now leave the talls alone - at least until the rookie draft. I think if Robertson is there at 26 then we have to take him. Our young group of mids as you say would look very healthy - Narkle, Constable, Parfitt, Fogarty, Cockatoo, Stephens and Robertson. Not a bad group.

Personally I'd be going Robertson and Sharp/Williams if available for our last two picks. Have a feeling though we may take Sharp next.

Im not really a Sharp fan.. I think his kicking looks better than it is . we will not have to wait long to see. Prefer Rivers out of the two. Id not be surprised if Perez may actually be better than both
I suspect Wells will have a bit of this and bit of that ..we have add a inside player, a tall KPP/Ruck , it would not surprise me to see us go for forward of some size with the next pick .. and then a Wells special with the last which is looking like around P40.. we have done well with P40 something roughies.

 

[cats_09]

Yep as Melbcat said 7pm. Took me a while to find it on the AFL page to confirm.

EDIT - Day 2 starts at 7pm. No time listed for Rookie draft that I could find. But I think in past years Rookie draft has been in the afternoon????

Rookie draft is tomorrow - but no time, so it may be a surprise to everyone and suddenly players are just announced

 

[Fyre]

When I saw the 'fumbling' issue being raised the first player I thought of was Joel Corey when he first started out. Always fumbling...thought to myself this Joel Corey guy is never going to make it!

One of my all time faves. Loved the way he went about his footy.

 

[CatTricks]

Very disappointing. I feel we don’t have a single mid under Duncan’s age that has A grade potential.

Narkle.

 

[Turbocat]

Desperately hoping we get Robertson but won’t happen. A smarter team will trade in front or we will pass altogether (can see us regretting it later ala Grundy - not that I think he’ll be as good as Grundy, more that he will be a really good high production mid).

Assuming no Robertson I like schoenfield and wouldn’t be upset with Jones or Gould or Sharp. Bianco is a bit meh to me, I think he has a higher bust risk.

who knows really ... I know you had concerns in draft that Carlton trading meant we could not have got both Kemp and Robertson..as it panned out we could have... the only question for tonight is do feel we need him more than another player on the board.

What ever their call is I support .. if we look at it as what type of talent is the hardest to obtain .. Id like them to look at Taylor from here.

 

[Turbocat]

If you think of it in the "moneyball", De Koning is far better value than McAsey IF you assume that their ceilings are similar. Different types I think but I'm warming to DK now at the pick. He seems to have good head on his shoulders and will do what he can to succeed. Think McAsey will be the better player, particularly earlier in their careers, but hopefully the gap from year 4-5 on isn't too great.

My only concern is the cost ..ie moneyball etc becuase I do believe you can traditionally find a KPD later in draft.. but perhaps the extra height of dek , adds flex ... so he represents a better fit to our overall needs.. he allows us to look at other types.. Id not be expecting too much too soon.. Really he is probably going to be a goal square type defender and he will need some size. Blitz is 29 ish its a good time to add someone

 

[BigCat1]

It won’t be Robertson now after being overlooked twice. Plus he is similar to Stephens. Much better mark but worse kick.

It was always going to be Georgiades or Jones. If Jones is still there I think it will be him.

Wells even mentioned trading that pick. I wouldn’t be against that to a desperate buyer.

 

[Landgraft]

As someone who hasn't followed closely since last year I'm pretty keen for Cooper Stephens. His underage stuff was very promising, I would say moreso than Robertson who is more of the meat and potatoes player.

But hey, Wells did something mildly unexpected so it must be overreaction o'clock.

 

[year of the cat]

Im not really a Sharp fan.. I think his kicking looks better than it is . we will not have to wait long to see. Prefer Rivers out of the two. Id not be surprised if Perez may actually be better than both
I suspect Wells will have a bit of this and bit of that ..we have add a inside player, a tall KPP/Ruck , it would not surprise me to see us go for forward of some size with the next pick .. and then a Wells special with the last which is looking like around P40.. we have done well with P40 something roughies.

I think Sharp's kicking action is fine - just needs a subtle tweak I reckon to have it more reliable. He's got terrific speed/endurance combination and has hurt factor. Needs to improve his concentration - can he do this? And does he want it enough? They are my two main concerns with him.

Reckon we leave the "Wells specials" ala Waybill to the rookie draft....

 

[Gunf]

Will Gould will play 1st rd and win a rising star for sure, why we don't see the obvious or don't want to beats me.
Consolation is there's been odd picks and plenty of good players left.
Just need to get these next two right.

So have you put everything including your house on him then?

 

[Grimoz]

Will Gould will play 1st rd and win a rising star for sure, why we don't see the obvious or don't want to beats me.
Consolation is there's been odd picks and plenty of good players left.
Just need to get these next two right.

Sharp would be my next pick, I get the feeling that Wells has scratched Robertson off the list and if he is still around when our pick comes we will bypass him.

 

[Gunf]

I'm not sure? The tone of that interview of Selwood's with Stephens suggested to me that they had a predetermined strategy to take him with our first pick. It appeared that Stephens was aware of the strategy as well. Could be wrong. I'm pretty sure though that Carl and Rich would have both taken him if he'd fallen to them so he's clearly quite highly rated more broadly.

With Dek I reckon that you are more on the money. Port probably had him in their sights. If we didn't strike then he would be gone. I much prefer him to Worrell who was the other name linked with us pre draft so happy with that result. Just going to have to be put away for a few pre seasons before we see him in the senior team.

I am of the mind we planned to take him with the second pick but Carlton trading back forced our hand

 

[year of the cat]

I am of the mind we planned to take him with the second pick but Carlton trading back forced our hand

Who would we have taken then with our first?

Edit: I reckon we were always planning on taking Stephens with our first if we didn't trade up based on how we thought the draft would fall. Then Georgiades with our second.

 

[Gunf]

No idea about the motive of drafting him other than, in his own words 'I am an explosive player on the edge .... will get reported from time to time .. have the ability to change a game off my own boot' - I guess a club like Gold Coast could enjoy a bit of talent with a giant ego.
I get the feeling that giant ego was the reason he and his family looked like they were sucking lemons when Gold Coast picked him though.. not going to be too many people around to worship him up there.

I actually think being drafted by them may do him some good and yes he really wasn't happy about being picked by them lol

 

[Landgraft]

Sharp would be my next pick, I get the feeling that Wells has scratched Robertson off the list and if he is still around when our pick comes we will bypass him.

Recruiters wouldn't scratch a name on any definitely draft-worthy prospect. It just depends on where they have him ranked relative to others.

There would be scenarios that could still happen where we select Robertson, if he's our next preference or if there are others we have ahead of him that are snaffled by other clubs.

 

[stac]

What the recruiting team has done is shrewd decision making
If we do want Devon then why take him early when other are not going too
Take other required players like Cooper that Richmond were sure to take and then go Devon later
Wells has been doing this job now long enough to know how it works.
Port would be the only club ahead of us that would look at Devon Based on the fact that the others are about to take there first pick in this years draft and may not have even spoken to Devon
This sort of information is not privy to other but Wells will know who has and who hasn’t Spoken to him and his management
A club will not throw all of the research and prior discussions out and select a player they have never spoken to.

 

[Ratcat]

So have you put everything including your house on him then?

Sharp would be my next pick, I get the feeling that Wells has scratched Robertson off the list and if he is still around when our pick comes we will bypass him.

Yeah l think you're right on there, Sharp or Rivers l was thinking too.
Sharp is quick he's also got a big tank 2km run and 20 mt times were excellent.
Av around 20 disposals at the Carnival and was a bit of a gun for WA.
He's now 189cm as well and a nice build for a kid, same goes for Rivers but l think he'll go Sharp out of those two.
Rivers is no slouch though.

 

[Grimoz]

Recruiters wouldn't scratch a name on any definitely draft-worthy prospect. It just depends on where they have him ranked relative to others.

There would be scenarios that could still happen where we select Robertson, if he's our next preference or if there are others we have ahead of him that are snaffled by other clubs.

They would scratch him if he doesn't want to leave WA, they wont want another Kelly debacle.

 

[Gunf]

Who would we have taken then with our first?

Edit: I reckon we were always planning on taking Stephens with our first if we didn't trade up based on how we thought the draft would fall. Then Georgiades with our second.

I am not sure but i think Carlton would of taken Cooper if we passed and waited for the next pick maybe we wanted Kemp at that pick and Carlton screwed us

 

[Gunf]

Who would we have taken then with our first?

Edit: I reckon we were always planning on taking Stephens with our first if we didn't trade up based on how we thought the draft would fall. Then Georgiades with our second.

That is actually not a bad idea of what we had planned and would not surprise me one bit if that was the case

 

[Landgraft]

They would scratch him if he doesn't want to leave WA, they wont want another Kelly debacle.

Debacle is a wild way to imagine the events of the past two years.

I seem to remember it involving us drafting an excellent midfielder who made us a better team while he was with us for a bargain price before being traded to another team (because life) for a significant return on our initial investment.

Robertson would be a very different case as young draftees lose value short-term in almost all cases, but I don't think we're at all shy from taking the player we want most.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

The reactions of some ..a mix of disappointment and consternation because we have not drafted Robertson .... or perhaps becuase the highlighs package of CooperS is not more glossy ... I tend to find peoples own desires (including my own) can cloud our initial assessments at the conclusion of our picks ..who we have picked and who we have not .. and none of these young men have played afl level yet .. who will be the best in 2 or 3 years time has nothing or little to do with a 2 min. snapshot of playing against kids , most who are not good enough to get drafted .. Robertson is more than that for sure.. but he is not the first , will not be the last to slip even after a great champs..

I posted this the other day when some were disheartened at the thought of not trading up.. ..and here we half way thu the draft and I think its fair to say its on track to be prophetic ..

Superficial disappointment based on a idealised calculated result ... most of the disussion I read and converse with on here is with have football educated opinions with sensible judgement , so sure they have opinions worth of reading and discussion yet once we have players on the list Id think you will find the potential disappointment of this draft will be less around not trading up ..but rather to the player we did not pick when we had a chance... because Its highly , highly unlikely that the players quality pans out in the progression from 1 to 2 to 3 etc... If someone like Kemp or Cooper Stephens develops into the best players from this draft then not trading up will be historically far less important.

Boy I so glad we did not trade up like Gold Coast.. That a few names has slipped is not surprising at all ..its something that happens most years..that its Robertson and Kemp ..yes a bit but the tale of tape will not be told for a while. We may even draft Robertson with our next pick.. although I suspect we look at alt types. Some on the outside perhaps.. or someone who has that run like Rantall..Perhaps Rivers. who knows thats the fun of it.

I totally support our choices so far. .. as I would have if our team had chosen others. What the young men have done so far has been good enough to get drafted..what happens from here is at least somewhat to do with the club as well as the player. Cooper may even play next year.. if so .. I think plenty of fair minded will change their minds on him and who was not picked by anyone in the top20 will be less a focus. You cant have everyone.

Thank you. THANK YOU.

I know a lot of people have a preference for ready-to-go players but the Cats are usually in a situation where they can factor in development time. I would much rather have a de Koning over a Gould because I can't see where Gould.'s improvement will come from, whereas I can with SDK. And frankly, if Gould gets past three picks from SA clubs I would be even more sceptical.

As for Stephens over Robertson, it certainly did look (from the Selwood video) that it was always the Cats' plan to take him. Clearly they have seen him at work in the gym... And with Flanders (the most often mentioned target, after McAsey) sliding, you have to think that all the Cats' public claims about trading up - so unusual for them to telegraph a move - were a bit of a bluff, and any attempts to trade up deliberately half hearted.

Although I would have loved an absolute top pick mid, it does not seem like that kind of player was available at a gettable pick. With so much juggling of the 3-20 picks, there was obviously a lot of disagreement between clubs abut the talent. In that context, I like the two-for-one strategy, and it will probably be a few years before we know whether it was the best thing to do. In that context - we don't know what will work - I don't understand the melts. This thread has more than a cheap breakfast cafe for kids, when none of us have any bloody idea how these players will turn out.

Pre draft discussion tends to focus on who we want and who is available, but there is a third and in a eay more crucial factor: the capacity to judge what others with nearby picks want. It might be, for example, that the Cats rated de Koning above Stephens but knew that Stephens was wanted by Carlton, something that three separate posters on these pages have confirmed, and had to deal with that on the hop.

Weird about Robertson but clearly a whole bunch of clubs know something we don't. Often it seems like there is a bit of a protection of the kids (which is good) so we might never know just what it was that turned clubs off so late. (There was a case a couple of years ago when it only became known on draft morning that a potential pick had family responsibilities.) Not suggesting it was that ... maybe someone saw him eating a whole raw onion and thought it wouldn't be good for the locker room?

 

[Grimoz]

Debacle is a wild way to imagine the events of the past two years.

I seem to remember it involving us drafting an excellent midfielder who made us a better team while he was with us for a bargain price before being traded to another team (because life) for a significant return on our initial investment.

Robertson would be a very different case as young draftees lose value short-term in almost all cases, but I don't think we're at all shy from taking the player we want most.

Yeah one who wanted to leave after a year, was forced to stay another year then left after that, one who had his missus bagging the club for not providing enough support, one who was talking to West Coast the day after being drafted by us....dont kid yourself it was a debacle and one that Geelong would like to avoid again. Anyway lets leave the Kelly talk, he is gone now. Id rather have a guy dedicated to the club for 10 years rather than someone who will stay for the 2 years and then piss off back home.

 

[Landgraft]

Yeah one who wanted to leave after a year, was forced to stay another year then left after that, one who had his missus bagging the club for not providing enough support, one who was talking to West Coast the day after being drafted by us....dont kid yourself it was a debacle and one that Geelong would like to avoid again.

All of that stuff pales in comparison to the football side of things imo, and I suspect the club would feel the same way.

Don't worry so much about the superficial. He played great footy for us and got us a great return of picks, that's more than you can ask from a player. No chance it sours the club on the decision to recruit him in 17 or retain him in 18.