Game Day 2019 Draft - now with poll!

So how did we do?

  • A+ - nailed it

  • A - really great

  • B - pretty good

  • C - okay

  • D - could have been better

  • E - could have been a lot better

  • F - terrible!


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SANDRINGHAM DRAGONS


Comments from Talent Manager Mark Wheeler

FISCHER McASEY (AFL Draft pick no.6 to Adelaide): “Fischer was just professional and always looking to improve himself. He trained and played with the same intensity. I thought he was always a first-round pick but probably not as high as no.6. He had a great year, though.


“I think Adelaide have taken him as a lock-down or roll-off key defender, but they know they have a weapon they can throw forward to kick goals if needed. Eventually they might also turn him into a big body that can get around the ball.”

JOSH WORRELL (no.28 to Adelaide): “I really liked Josh because he didn’t consume footy all the time. When he played footy he had white-line fever, but when he finished footy he had another life.


“He’s a 195cm defender, but I think he’ll play on the outside as a winger at the elite level first. I told a lot of AFL clubs that I could see him within three to four years playing as a big-bodied inside midfielder, because he covers the ground really well, he has aggression and he hates to be beaten.”

CALDER CANNONS


Comments from Talent Manager Tom Lonergan

LACHLAN GOLLANT (no.48 to Adelaide): “Similar to Francis Evans, Lachie didn’t do the pre-season with us, but I heard a few murmurs throughout the year that he was performing really well at school level. He came into the program and started playing really consistently in the back half of the season.


“I’m certain Adelaide saw something there and pounced on him. He’s so raw and has a lot of improvement to do in his body, but he has some natural attributes that are unmatched – like his leap, and he’s a good runner who can play in multiple positions.”
 

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Would we have taken Schoenberg where we did if he wasn't South Australian?
Only other really inside/outside mid left that can consistently win their own ball other than Harry was Jay Rantall, most of the others were utilities or very outside, so I think he was an obvious choice because if we'd bid on Jackson Mead Port would have duly matched.
 

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Pretty safe to say yes to that one, we stopped caring about state a long time ago.
Don't know how much to trust Twomey's intel here but he seems to think we were trying to trade what ended up being 24 & 25 for Geelong's pick 16 and what ended up being pick 50. Who were we keen on at 16? Seemingly only Kemp, Deven Robertson, and possibly Cooper Stephens were attractive for that price (as we traded down further to get Worrell). Also half the teams tried to move up to get Robertson when he was available at 22. So seems like if one or 2 of those were gettable then we would not have taken Schoenberg. Would also not have got Worrell.

Could have maybe been something like McAsey, Kemp/Robertson/Stephens, O'Connor, Cam Taheny (another marking forward type instead of Worrell), Gollant if we have swapped with Geelong.

Pretty pleased with how it worked out overall, as although we overpaid for McAsey, Worrell was great value and could turn out to be anything. In future to have McAsey who can go both back or forward and take marks (similar to J. McGovern?) and to have Worrell (similar to Bont?) who can play back, forward, wing or inside mid would give the Crows amazing versatility.

In an ideal world would have loved to have got the Carlton future 2nd rounder in, still got McAsey in and traded the O'Connor pick up using a future 2nd or 3rd (and taken Rivers or Rantall) taking O'Connor with the last to leave with McAsey, Schoenberg, Worrell, Rivers/Rantall and O'Connor, but we'll see what Gollant looks like after 12 months in the gym and a bit more growth.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/267097/inside-the-drafts-first-round-twists-turns-bluffs-and-the-big-calls
 

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JOSH WORRELL
(no.28 to Adelaide): “I really liked Josh because he didn’t consume footy all the time. When he played footy he had white-line fever, but when he finished footy he had another life.


“He’s a 195cm defender, but I think he’ll play on the outside as a winger at the elite level first. I told a lot of AFL clubs that I could see him within three to four years playing as a big-bodied inside midfielder, because he covers the ground really well, he has aggression and he hates to be beaten.”
These parts worry me.... indications of a flight risk?
 

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Or just a normal person. You can have an actual life and still take pride in your job. It doesn't need to be all consuming, especially if you want balanced mental health.
Absolutely you can, but is being a professional athlete just a job? I don't think you're looking to be the best if you're treating it just as a job. Got it live and breathe it if you wanna get the most out of yourself. The only real exception I can think of is Dusty.

Do I think he can still have a good career? yes.

Haileybury boy, who has interests outside of football and doesn't just live and breathe footy.... feels like a Jack Gunston on our hands.
 

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Not everyone, SOS failed all over the place

And what the fu** would his coach know? 😉
SOS picked up Kemp and Phillips, pretty good.

Once Stephens was gone, McAsay @6 wasnt that much of a stretch imo
 

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“He’s a 195cm defender, but I think he’ll play on the outside as a winger at the elite level first. I told a lot of AFL clubs that I could see him within three to four years playing as a big-bodied inside midfielder, because he covers the ground really well, he has aggression and he hates to be beaten.”
I've always liked the idea of taller wingers. The ability to take a grab especially now with more congestion is an advantage. Maybe it's just because it's a Friday morning but I'm having trouble thinking of taller wingers in the AFL at the moment.
 

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Don't know how much to trust Twomey's intel here but he seems to think we were trying to trade what ended up being 24 & 25 for Geelong's pick 16 and what ended up being pick 50. Who were we keen on at 16? Seemingly only Kemp, Deven Robertson, and possibly Cooper Stephens were attractive for that price (as we traded down further to get Worrell). Also half the teams tried to move up to get Robertson when he was available at 22. So seems like if one or 2 of those were gettable then we would not have taken Schoenberg. Would also not have got Worrell.

Could have maybe been something like McAsey, Kemp/Robertson/Stephens, O'Connor, Cam Taheny (another marking forward type instead of Worrell), Gollant if we have swapped with Geelong.

Pretty pleased with how it worked out overall, as although we overpaid for McAsey, Worrell was great value and could turn out to be anything. In future to have McAsey who can go both back or forward and take marks (similar to J. McGovern?) and to have Worrell (similar to Bont?) who can play back, forward, wing or inside mid would give the Crows amazing versatility.

In an ideal world would have loved to have got the Carlton future 2nd rounder in, still got McAsey in and traded the O'Connor pick up using a future 2nd or 3rd (and taken Rivers or Rantall) taking O'Connor with the last to leave with McAsey, Schoenberg, Worrell, Rivers/Rantall and O'Connor, but we'll see what Gollant looks like after 12 months in the gym and a bit more growth.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/267097/inside-the-drafts-first-round-twists-turns-bluffs-and-the-big-calls
I mean that's the hand you're given. We would have taken Cam Rayner over Darcy Fogarty if we had a chance too.

I don't think it's likely that we do get McAsey with Carltons 2nd, sounds like Geelong were prepped to trade upwards.
 

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Don't know how much to trust Twomey's intel here but he seems to think we were trying to trade what ended up being 24 & 25 for Geelong's pick 16 and what ended up being pick 50. Who were we keen on at 16? Seemingly only Kemp, Deven Robertson, and possibly Cooper Stephens were attractive for that price (as we traded down further to get Worrell). Also half the teams tried to move up to get Robertson when he was available at 22. So seems like if one or 2 of those were gettable then we would not have taken Schoenberg. Would also not have got Worrell.

Could have maybe been something like McAsey, Kemp/Robertson/Stephens, O'Connor, Cam Taheny (another marking forward type instead of Worrell), Gollant if we have swapped with Geelong.

Pretty pleased with how it worked out overall, as although we overpaid for McAsey, Worrell was great value and could turn out to be anything. In future to have McAsey who can go both back or forward and take marks (similar to J. McGovern?) and to have Worrell (similar to Bont?) who can play back, forward, wing or inside mid would give the Crows amazing versatility.

In an ideal world would have loved to have got the Carlton future 2nd rounder in, still got McAsey in and traded the O'Connor pick up using a future 2nd or 3rd (and taken Rivers or Rantall) taking O'Connor with the last to leave with McAsey, Schoenberg, Worrell, Rivers/Rantall and O'Connor, but we'll see what Gollant looks like after 12 months in the gym and a bit more growth.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/267097/inside-the-drafts-first-round-twists-turns-bluffs-and-the-big-calls
Twomey would be getting thart directly from the club list managers/head recruiters who have nothing to hide now, you could nearly take it to the bank.
 

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Absolutely you can, but is being a professional athlete just a job? I don't think you're looking to be the best if you're treating it just as a job. Got it live and breathe it if you wanna get the most out of yourself. The only real exception I can think of is Dusty.

Do I think he can still have a good career? yes.

Haileybury boy, who has interests outside of football and doesn't just live and breathe footy.... feels like a Jack Gunston on our hands.
Jake Kelly talked about it this year. It's nothing to do with "not getting the best out of yourself" it's about having other things in your life that are important to you that don't involve football so you can be in a good mental headspace. Some may love to live it 24/7, others will find that emotionally and mentally draining and need something else in their lives. That doesn't stop you from doing the work when you need to do it, or giving it your all.
 

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Absolutely you can, but is being a professional athlete just a job? I don't think you're looking to be the best if you're treating it just as a job. Got it live and breathe it if you wanna get the most out of yourself. The only real exception I can think of is Dusty.

Do I think he can still have a good career? yes.

Haileybury boy, who has interests outside of football and doesn't just live and breathe footy.... feels like a Jack Gunston on our hands.
I'm starting to think a bit of go-home factor is actually not a bad thing for the Crows.

Providing we are good at identifying the right players with ability and developing them (and trading), this is the reason why we have had a larger proportion of top end picks in recent seasons - given the club seems to be always against finishing low on the table.

Drafting the best talent we can means if they end up being good players they stay with us and we are stronger, or we may get increased return if they want to leave.

We used pick 14 to get Lever and we got two r1 picks for him (ok, we wasted those picks on getting Gibbs but that's a different matter). With Gov we used pick 43 to get him and eventually got pick 13 back. Cameron was a rookie and we got pick 12. These are all picks on top of what we get on top of what we usually get based on our table finish. Having these extra picks let's us either use them or trade up further.

The downside is it does take time but it eventually pays off as our last few seasons show with more having picks at the r1 end than the r5 end.

What might be worse is if we put an emphasis on drafting local SA players who end up being serviceable but not very talented that other clubs arent too interested in - we end up with a dead end player.
 

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Jake Kelly talked about it this year. It's nothing to do with "not getting the best out of yourself" it's about having other things in your life that are important to you that don't involve football so you can be in a good mental headspace. Some may love to live it 24/7, others will find that emotionally and mentally draining and need something else in their lives. That doesn't stop you from doing the work when you need to do it, or giving it your all.
Everyone definitely has their own way of looking after their Mental Health.

Worrell is clearly a very good footballer with a lot of potential. Without trying to stereotype (which I am well aware I probably am), having grown up in the Bayside Melbourne area and had a bit to do with lads from the APS (especially Haileybury), it think its a 50-50 call between being someone who needs to detach from footy to shut off, or an entitled kid with a lot of potential who might (whilst saying all the right things) not have the passion or drive to do the hard yards, especially when interstate and away from the bayside bubble.

I hope my assumptions are wrong, but it definitely causes me to raise my eyebrow.
 

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I'm starting to think a bit of go-home factor is actually not a bad thing for the Crows.

Providing we are good at identifying the right players with ability and developing them (and trading), this is the reason why we have had a larger proportion of top end picks in recent seasons - given the club seems to be always against finishing low on the table.

Drafting the best talent we can means if they end up being good players they stay with us and we are stronger, or we may get increased return if they want to leave.

We used pick 14 to get Lever and we got two r1 picks for him (ok, we wasted those picks on getting Gibbs but that's a different matter). With Gov we used pick 43 to get him and eventually got pick 13 back. Cameron was a rookie and we got pick 12. These are all picks on top of what we get on top of what we usually get based on our table finish. Having these extra picks let's us either use them or trade up further.

The downside is it does take time but it eventually pays off as our last few seasons show with more having picks at the r1 end than the r5 end.

What might be worse is if we put an emphasis on drafting local SA players who end up being serviceable but not very talented that other clubs arent too interested in - we end up with a dead end player.
Exactly.

And let's not forget we might not have rated a lot of the SA draftees as high as they eventually went this draft but those that went undrafted we also showed no interest in them in the rookie draft either and we weren't alone with the only SA players to go in the rookie draft were mature aged Brad Close and Port F/S Trent Burgoyne. Other than that Port downgraded listed players Boyd Woodcock and Riley Grundy to their rookie list.
 
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Further to the previous post we may have rated Will Day and Kysiaih Pickett highly but obviously not as high as Fischer McAsey.

We had the picks if we really wanted all the other SA players though we had to choose between Schoenberg and Gould I guess, obviously a mid over a 3rd tall defender being the reason there I'd think. Taheny, Farrar, Hutchesson and Morris we had the picks if we wanted them.
 

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