Game Day 2019 Draft - now with poll!

So how did we do?

  • A+ - nailed it

  • A - really great

  • B - pretty good

  • C - okay

  • D - could have been better

  • E - could have been a lot better

  • F - terrible!


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deaneus

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I think “McAsey isn’t a pick 6” is a bit of a furphy

What if we were Melbourne - would we go for another midfielder? No, we need a tall, and he was 2nd in the draft.

He’s a pick 6 if he gets selected as 6.

His ability may not be #6 in the draft, but whatevs
 

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Dudersaurus

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I think “McAsey isn’t a pick 6” is a bit of a furphy

What if we were Melbourne - would we go for another midfielder? No, we need a tall, and he was 2nd in the draft.

He’s a pick 6 if he gets selected as 6.

His ability may not be #6 in the draft, but whatevs
Without future use of a retrospectoscope, nobody has any idea. He's worth 6 because that's what we paid.

If he's a good McGovern or Rance, we've made out like bandits. Heck, even Talia at pick 6 in his draft year wouldn't have been the worst call.

He may be completely junk and Young is a gun, and we've burned a great pick, but I'm happy to wait and see.
 

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Okay, the first big "what really happened" article


interesting parts:

"The Giants had done so much work to get ahead of the bid for Green. They had packaged up picks 12 and 18 during the Telstra AFL Trade Period to gain pick six, and then sent pick six and a future first-round pick to Adelaide to move up to pick four."

12 + 18 + Future 1stR = Pick 4, Tom Green. Wow, worth three 1Rs... when you've got that many, i guess you can give some away
Good article and good analysis. On this point, though, it's not really correct to say they gave three first round picks for Tom Green. They got two players for that expenditure. If they hadn't given up the future first round pick, they have only gotten Green. So really, what happened was that they mortgaged next year's first round pick to get a "free" selection at pick 4 (which is obviously a good result for them). So Green was worth two first rounders.
 

cmndstab

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The comments about him not going pick 6 aren't surprising, really. There was an understanding that this was a midfielder draft and that the first round would be mostly midfielders, which it was.

He was the best KPP in the draft. Clearly he was going to go to whichever club was the first to prioritise that above a quality mid.
 

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The comments about him not going pick 6 aren't surprising, really. There was an understanding that this was a midfielder draft and that the first round would be mostly midfielders, which it was.

He was the best KPP in the draft. Clearly he was going to go to whichever club was the first to prioritise that above a quality mid.
Is makeasy worth pick 6 ? Yes are kpp harder to find than midfielders ? Yes definitely. What we and others forget we in the end got mceasy and gws first rounder next year. So is mceasy and future first rounder worth taking him at pick 6 or a stretch? No way absolutely worth it, made out like bandits. Maybe top 10 pick to get mid plus mceasy. Based on this draft mceasy and Flanders for pick 6, take that and run!
 

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To be fair, we got that for pick 4, not pick 6. By the time of the draft, the 2020 first rounder tied to GWS had no bearing on our selection at pick 6. We already had it in the bag.

Is McAsey worth pick six? I don't know. But he is reportedly the best KPP in the draft, so if we wanted a KPP, he was the one to pick.

The only real question is, could we have traded backwards and still got him? No point giving up pick 6 for McAsey if we could have gotten him later. That article seems to indicate that he wasn't going to last past pick 8. Perhaps we could have traded pick 6 for pick 8 and some spare change, but I can't see why Freo would do that given that they also owned pick 7 and weren't interested in McAsey, so their selections would have been identical.
 

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To be fair, we got that for pick 4, not pick 6. By the time of the draft, the 2020 first rounder tied to GWS had no bearing on our selection at pick 6. We already had it in the bag.

Is McAsey worth pick six? I don't know. But he is reportedly the best KPP in the draft, so if we wanted a KPP, he was the one to pick.

The only real question is, could we have traded backwards and still got him? No point giving up pick 6 for McAsey if we could have gotten him later. That article seems to indicate that he wasn't going to last past pick 8. Perhaps we could have traded pick 6 for pick 8 and some spare change, but I can't see why Freo would do that given that they also owned pick 7 and weren't interested in McAsey, so their selections would have been identical.
eelong would have moved up board and taken him. That was the fear and hawthorn interested too so was 6 a stretch, hmm, not really
 

kulak

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Big H has visible signs of sexual arousal when McAsey is mentioned apparently. Heard from Aaron Francis in a seaside cafe.
Bored of you trolling Faith.

Wish BigFooty had a “ignore interactions” feature so I could ignore every time you quote Faith. It’s always you trolling. (No I won’t put you on ignore because then I’d miss all of your other high quality contributions.)
 

kulak

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To be fair, we got that for pick 4, not pick 6. By the time of the draft, the 2020 first rounder tied to GWS had no bearing on our selection at pick 6. We already had it in the bag.

Is McAsey worth pick six? I don't know. But he is reportedly the best KPP in the draft, so if we wanted a KPP, he was the one to pick.

The only real question is, could we have traded backwards and still got him? No point giving up pick 6 for McAsey if we could have gotten him later. That article seems to indicate that he wasn't going to last past pick 8. Perhaps we could have traded pick 6 for pick 8 and some spare change, but I can't see why Freo would do that given that they also owned pick 7 and weren't interested in McAsey, so their selections would have been identical.
It looks as though this board is coming around to an understanding that Hamish drafts for perceived needs - not purely for talent?

It makes sense this is something Hamish would straight up lie about. We don’t want our first message to the new draftee to be “actually mate you’re not as good as the 4 guys drafted after you, but we really needed a tall” so instead we outwardly maintain the pretense that we are drafting purely on talent. We aren’t.
 

kulak

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Is McAsey a good pick?

I am going to judge this trade period based on how Ash and Stephens go compared to McAsey.

If Ash is the next Lachie Whitfield, and/or Stephens is the next Josh Kelly, and McAsey is anything less than the next Jeremy McGovern, then this trade and draft period was a colossal failure.

We have not had an elite skilful midfielder since McLeod and Goodwin - and we just traded out the pick that could have got one and in return we got next years pick 20.

On the other hand of those three guys are all much the same then it’s a great success.

From what the club has said the trade is based on Hamish’s judgement that these guys are all roughly equal so hopefully he is correct about that.
 

Chase13

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It looks as though this board is coming around to an understanding that Hamish drafts for perceived needs - not purely for talent?

It makes sense this is something Hamish would straight up lie about. We don’t want our first message to the new draftee to be “actually mate you’re not as good as the 4 guys drafted after you, but we really needed a tall” so instead we outwardly maintain the pretense that we are drafting purely on talent. We aren’t.
Needs and talent go hand in hand. Mcaseay is most talented kpp, which are hard to find and yes maybe not most talented of draft pull, but adding a future first rounder makes it a no brainer really. Just good business especially if we are in a rebuild. If we were contending next year maybe not right call, but in position we are was the smart move. Looking at big picture not the immediate, and we still got the mvp from the champs. Can we really be upset with the outcome and getting Worrell an added bonus.
 

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kulak

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I thought Melbourne’s draft was great mainly because of Pickett

They often dominated the contested possession but then the ball pinged straight back out of their forward line.

With Pickett flying around closing down the defender in possession - and then Lever taking intercept marks on the wing - they will be a different team this year. Injury permitting.
 

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I thought Melbourne’s draft was great mainly because of Pickett

They often dominated the contested possession but then the ball pinged straight back out of their forward line.

With Pickett flying around closing down the defender in possession - and then Lever taking intercept marks on the wing - they will be a different team this year. Injury permitting.
So you're saying the Dees drafted for needs not necessarily the best talent but that's smart drafting whereas you're claiming the opposite for Hamish for doing basically the same? If Kossie doesn't turn out to be the next Cyril Rioli who will you be comparing him to picks wise for the Dees?
 

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I thought Melbourne’s draft was great mainly because of Pickett

They often dominated the contested possession but then the ball pinged straight back out of their forward line.

With Pickett flying around closing down the defender in possession - and then Lever taking intercept marks on the wing - they will be a different team this year. Injury permitting.
would have liked picket too but to be honest pick 10 a reach, better hope he is that good, mid second round for me, he better be next betts to be worth that pick, high risk high reward. I’m sure if Jackson was available to us though we would have taken him, gonna be an awesome forward as he is as good below his feet as he is as good above his head, a guaranteed gun for the future
 

kulak

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So you're saying the Dees drafted for needs not necessarily the best talent but that's smart drafting whereas you're claiming the opposite for Hamish for doing basically the same? If Kossie doesn't turn out to be the next Cyril Rioli who will you be comparing him to picks wise for the Dees?
It wasn’t a criticism. It’s obvious we draft for perceived needs, like most clubs, nothing wrong with it.
 

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would have liked picket too but to be honest pick 10 a reach, better hope he is that good, mid second round for me, he better be next betts to be worth that pick, high risk high reward. I’m sure if Jackson was available to us though we would have taken him, gonna be an awesome forward as he is as good below his feet as he is as good above his head, a guaranteed gun for the future
Pick 10 is fine if he’s good. A contending club is normally happy to pick up an instant contributor in that role for that price. Rioli * 2, Charles.

Total disaster if he’s rubbish of course. Like any top 10 pick bust. I’m no draft expert.

Strategically I think it makes sense.
 

Mego Red

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I think “McAsey isn’t a pick 6” is a bit of a furphy

What if we were Melbourne - would we go for another midfielder? No, we need a tall, and he was 2nd in the draft.

He’s a pick 6 if he gets selected as 6.

His ability may not be #6 in the draft, but whatevs
A key tall who was MVP for his state team at the Nationals - that's not a reach like Melbourne grabbing a ruckman or a 5 foot tall crumber.

Even then - pretty much every draft analyst said you could throw a blanket over picks 3 to 12 or so.
 

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It’s ridiculous to think that it fails at 6 if a pick isn’t there.
There would have been multitudes of models.
 

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