List Mgmt. 2019 Draft Thread

[bird_man]

May not even need to be a slider.

Draft Central reviews for midfielders they think might be available after Pick 51.

#60 Lachlan Stapleton
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro | Balanced Midfielder
14/04/2001 | 179cm | 73kg

The only State Draft Combine player in our Power Rankings, the Eastern Ranges ball magnet has been one of the more consistent players this year. One of the few unlucky not to get a National Draft Combine invite, Stapleton has plenty of tricks despite his size, and can win the ball inside or out. In season 2019, Stapleton averaged 22.3 disposals, 2.5 marks, 5.2 clearances, 4.5 inside 50s and 7.1 tackles from 13 games, predominantly playing an inside role. His hands in close were very good, with athletic traits that are handy but could still improve such as his in-game acceleration – clocking a sub-three second 20m sprint at the State Combine, and his kicking consistency. A rough chance still, but should have done enough to find a place on an AFL list.

#59 Ryan Byrnes
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro | Balanced Midfielder
03/05/2001 | 182cm | 84kg

Mr Consistent, Sandringham’s fearless captain has been as reliable as just about anyone in the NAB League this season. Byrnes can play inside or out, wins the ball out of a stoppage and has a trademark five-step burst to create separation from his opponent and send the ball inside 50 to leading teammates. His kicking could certainly sharpen up, but he can use either foot which makes him more of an asset, and while he is shorter compared to some inside midfielders, he has the readymade frame to compete at senior level. Almost missed out on a bottom-age year at Sandringham and has been a workhorse to put himself in a position where he could be drafted. Just a no-fuss footballer who leads by actions and will be a popular player at a club should he be selected.

#56 Josh Shute
Sturt/South Australia | Outside Midfielder
28/03/2001 | 187cm | 74kg

A lightly built, but talented outside midfielder with some good size, Shute is the stereotypical winger who likes to run and create from the back half going forward. Shute has nice foot skills with a touch of class, as well as a high work rate that sees him push up and down the ground. His endurance could still improve, as could his impact per possession, and while standing at 73kg, Shute could add size to his frame. Overall though, Shute has a nice outside game from which clubs can work with, and is one of the more prominent wingers available in the AFL Draft crop. He could go higher than this based on his ball use and outside run, but is still a developing talent.

#55 Flynn Perez
Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country | Outside Midfielder
25/08/2001 | 188cm | 81kg

One of the players hardest to rate this year, Perez has missed his entire top-age season after injuring his knee late last year at a Vic Country camp. From what he showed as a bottom-ager, Perez has some neat outside traits, and class when in close. He moves well and is a creator for his team, it is just about getting some consistency in both his disposal and game. At 188cm, Perez is a nice height for a midfielder, and when adding in his athleticism, the Bendigo Pioneers’ midfielder is unlikely to be forgotten by an AFL club come November.

#53 Josh Honey
Western Jets/Vic Metro | Mid/Forward
17/10/2001 | 185cm | 82kg

Another player with great upside, Honey has the versatility to rotate between midfield and forward, and is an athlete to-boot. Honey was one of the more impressive performers at the National Draft Combine, clocking up times of 2.97 seconds (20m sprint) and 8.10 seconds (agility test). His consistency can be a worry at times, particularly when it comes to influence throughout long periods in games, with his accumulation lower than most other comparable players – 16.1 disposals per game. But when on his game, Honey has that hurt factor about him, with his clean hands and defensive pressure – 4.6 tackles per game – a feature, as well as his ability to hit the scoreboard regularly, contributing 12 goals in 14 games at NAB League level, and two from two at the Under-18 National Championships.

I'd be rapt if we ended up with Byrnes or Perez

 

[CHBench]

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Is that not Biggy and Voss to the left?

Good to see Paddy there.

 

[The Jack]

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=470837

 

[hayes]

Really no need to complicate anything this draft, just find some accumulators. Don’t care if they aren’t super quick or have question marks over their kicking and all the usual crap just get me ball winners.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Really no need to complicate anything this draft, just find some accumulators. Don’t care if they aren’t super quick or have question marks over their kicking and all the usual crap just get me ball winners.

I think that's way too simple. Dunstan and Ross are ball winners, but they're also not great players. I think we're going to have to target players with elite traits but also question marks, and or any sliders ala battle. Players with a point of difference over jack of all trades master of none. But we are pretty set everywhere but rucks and mids so hopefully we get some of those

 

[Virgin Dog]

Really no need to complicate anything this draft, just find some accumulators. Don’t care if they aren’t super quick or have question marks over their kicking and all the usual crap just get me ball winners.

I've been thinking a lot about specifically Saints and West Coast (I like both clubs, and also because you both come in late to the draft).

In terms of Saints, I'm thinking your first pick could end up from:

• Darcy Chirgwin (big bodied mid, and a very good one, but a little one dimensional which is why he'd slide)
• Sam Philp (a potential slider, but could go anywhere from 30 onwards I reckon)
• Ryan Byrnes (less inside game than the other two, but looks like a Lachie Neale-type)

 

[prophetic1]

I think that's way too simple. Dunstan and Ross are ball winners, but they're also not great players. I think we're going to have to target players with elite traits but also question marks, and or any sliders ala battle. Players with a point of difference over jack of all trades master of none. But we are pretty set everywhere but rucks and mids so hopefully we get some of those

yep Everything we do in terms of mids should be aimed at jagging elite quality .....notwithstanding our 'weak' picks.....better one or the chance that one might possess elite skills, than also rans which we seem to have had a number of in the near past. Anyway one might say there's no such thing as a weak pick just weak talent spotters.....or indecisive decision makers. PLAYERS PICKED LATE LATE PICKS.. Pick 48 Aussie Jones... Pick 55...Sam fisher.
Pick 37 leigh montagna........ Pick 49 Andrew Thompson..... Pick 49....Justin Pecket. Pick 57.....Fraser Gehrig. I hope thats correct and encouraging.(FROM
Bargain Hunting: St Kilda's best draft steals

Nathan Lay Nov 11, 2016 7:53PM)

 

[Virgin Dog]

I think that's way too simple. Dunstan and Ross are ball winners, but they're also not great players. I think we're going to have to target players with elite traits but also question marks, and or any sliders ala battle. Players with a point of difference over jack of all trades master of none. But we are pretty set everywhere but rucks and mids so hopefully we get some of those

Sam Philp, on paper, should be a first round prospect. Extremely quick, insane endurance, rough as guts when fighting for the contested ball. He could be one of those guys the club can take a gamble on, where if everything goes right, he's a potential elite midfielder. Not so sure whether the club would want to take that risk considering they already pulled the trigger on Bytel last year (who should come good this season, but was risky given his back).

He won the 20m sprint at the combine, and was top 10 in yo-yo test and standing vertical jump. Can be an inside beast at his best, but really doesn't have any outside game, and his kicking can be quite poor, especially at distance. Think of him like Bailey Smith from last year, but with maybe a touch more speed (which says a lot for how quick he is) and without the kicking ability.

If you're looking for that player with a point of difference, it's Philp thanks to being arguably the best pure athlete in the draft pool

 

[hayes]

I think that's way too simple. Dunstan and Ross are ball winners, but they're also not great players. I think we're going to have to target players with elite traits but also question marks, and or any sliders ala battle. Players with a point of difference over jack of all trades master of none. But we are pretty set everywhere but rucks and mids so hopefully we get some of those

Ross is only no good according to people on here. Non biased people keep giving him BnF’s and brownlow votes. If we had a few more players averaging 30 touches a game we wouldn’t be constantly rebuilding. Dunstan only averages 22 touches a game which is pretty poor for a midfielder.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Ross is only no good according to people on here. Non biased people keep giving him BnF’s and brownlow votes. If we had a few more players averaging 30 touches a game we wouldn’t be constantly rebuilding. Dunstan only averages 22 touches a game which is pretty poor for a midfielder.

ross is just a vanilla average mid, I don't care how many touches he gets, everynow and then he has a few good games but more often than not fails the eye test. Dunstan definitely needs to get the ball more, but he gets a lot of contested possessions and does a lot of grunt work, which ross does not

 

[CursingFijian]

We've only got two available spots on our senior list though right? Joyce is already showing on the senior list; I think we will be forced to match for Biggy and we have made a commitment to take Voss. How do we squeeze anybody else in? Do we have to bid again for Mayo in the PSD?

 

[Saintbloke]

Ross is only no good according to people on here. Non biased people keep giving him BnF’s and brownlow votes. If we had a few more players averaging 30 touches a game we wouldn’t be constantly rebuilding. Dunstan only averages 22 touches a game which is pretty poor for a midfielder.

Ross does ok, but there is big gap between us and the top teams in respect to midfield quality. The midfield need to lift hugely in terms of quality output if we are going to contest finals.

 

[borderbarry]

Have we got Biggy locked in? If not, what is it going to take?

 

[ScrappyDo]

We've only got two available spots on our senior list though right? Joyce is already showing on the senior list; I think we will be forced to match for Biggy and we have made a commitment to take Voss. How do we squeeze anybody else in? Do we have to bid again for Mayo in the PSD?

Ok just a moment. Biggy isn't even on the list of 101 on the AFL site, and one of our ITKs is sure he's gonna be a cat B rookie.

Also, where and when have we comitted to Voss?

 

[St Pauls]

We need a bit of analysis on where our picks will fall and whether we use one or both of next years fourths to change our position.

Looks like Hawks two picks before us will combine for their F/S so will move up 1 spot to 50. The PA F/S should go in the second round too? Might improve our pick 80. I wonder if a few of those later picks will also be passed on by clubs with full lists?

I think this is where Gags is in his zone, the pick swap with Melbourne last year was pretty savy. The later pick swaps not to sure about but didn’t seem to have too much impact.

I suspect we don’t have enough leverage to do anything to creative but we will wait and see.

 

[saint66au]

Ok just a moment. Biggy isn't even on the list of 101 on the AFL site, and one of our ITKs is sure he's gonna be a cat B rookie.

Also, where and when have we comitted to Voss?

Yet Ch 7 News called him "one of the most exciting prospects in the draft"

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

Yet Ch 7 News called him "one of the most exciting prospects in the draft"

I'll back Timmy Watson in 100%

 

[CursingFijian]

Ok just a moment. Biggy isn't even on the list of 101 on the AFL site, and one of our ITKs is sure he's gonna be a cat B rookie.
Also, where and when have we comitted to Voss?

I'm not right across it so maybe somebody could clarify. But by Biggys own admission other clubs are interviewing him. Why would they do that unless they can bid? I'm expecting somebody will nominate him and thus prevent us picking him up as a rookie, especially in light of his athletic testing.

To be clear I have no idea if the Saints have committed to Voss, other than he has been part of our junior talent program alongside Tyson Milne both of whom we have access to under the father son rule. I would go on to say that it is vitally important to the credibility of the program to demonstrate that it does create a pathway to the Saints senior list. On that basis alone I would suggest the club is keen to pick up one of the two.

Ideally Biggy slides to the cat b rookie list and we take Voss + one. But I just don't see how it unfolds.

My guess is it's going to be a bland night for us as we know exactly who we are getting.

 

[BarkerFan]

My guess is it's going to be a bland night for us as we know exactly who we are getting.

maybe.. but there is always the chance we do a Carlton...
e.g. what if we like someone who is still there at 20, and trade next years first for GC pick 20 along with a 2020 second rounder coming back to us.. GC hold Brisbane's 2020 second rounder so presumably that one

Pure speculation, but maybe if someone we like gets to 20, we could it.. or something other such trade

 

[Dr Spaceman]

To be clear I have no idea if the Saints have committed to Voss, other than he has been part of our junior talent program alongside Tyson Milne both of whom we have access to under the father son rule. I would go on to say that it is vitally important to the credibility of the program to demonstrate that it does create a pathway to the Saints senior list. On that basis alone I would suggest the club is keen to pick up one of the two.

Well looks like it won’t be Milne

 

[stfan]

Pick 57.....Fraser Gehrig. I hope thats correct and encouraging

Fraser was not a "steal", though we also did not pay overs. West Coast received David Sierakowski and 2000 AFL Draft selection number 18 (Daniel Kerr) from St Kilda in exchange for Gehrig.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I'm not right across it so maybe somebody could clarify. But by Biggys own admission other clubs are interviewing him. Why would they do that unless they can bid? I'm expecting somebody will nominate him and thus prevent us picking him up as a rookie, especially in light of his athletic testing.

To be clear I have no idea if the Saints have committed to Voss, other than he has been part of our junior talent program alongside Tyson Milne both of whom we have access to under the father son rule. I would go on to say that it is vitally important to the credibility of the program to demonstrate that it does create a pathway to the Saints senior list. On that basis alone I would suggest the club is keen to pick up one of the two.

Ideally Biggy slides to the cat b rookie list and we take Voss + one. But I just don't see how it unfolds.

My guess is it's going to be a bland night for us as we know exactly who we are getting.

I think they'll select well, as per form.
It hardly matters since Ming and Bytel is our 2019 debutants.
My money is on Perez or a ruckman.
Biggy a cat B, and Voss a rookie if he's lucky.

 

[prophetic1]

Fraser was not a "steal", though we also did not pay overs. West Coast received David Sierakowski and 2000 AFL Draft selection number 18 (Daniel Kerr) from St Kilda in exchange for Gehrig.

yep i stand corrected...actually the article quoted doesnt include GEHRIG i just added it in for good measure and thats what i get for thinking I was being informative..ha! I should have just stuck to the article ...ahh well....i was just trying to encourage everyone with the idea that you never know what can happen. But having read some later posts it seems they kinda do....apparently not much for us. lol!

 

[Savage Kent]

On draft night I would look to trade our 2020 first round pick to the suns for pick 20 + 2020 3rd round pick, provided Cooper Stephens is still available.

He looks like a gun and injuries curtailed his year. The kind of inside mid we need. I'm pretty confident the suns will get the spoon again so that pick would be in the high 30s.

 

[Significant]

On draft night I would look to trade our 2020 first round pick to the suns for pick 20 + 2020 3rd round pick, provided Cooper Stephens is still available.

He looks like a gun and injuries curtailed his year. The kind of inside mid we need. I'm pretty confident the suns will get the spoon again so that pick would be in the high 30s.

We can't - we have already traded out our future 2nd and 3rd round picks! Can either have one or the other - no first rounder and the rest, or trade as many others and keep the first rounder.