Resource 2019 Draft Watch (we have picks 6 24 25 39 46)

[SaltPeter]

lol .. but* hurt Carlolololton still trying

 

[Ozzie]

I notice you are discussing Martin, I can shed some light on the contract if you like.

Over the 5 years he will average 600k, that's the same as his last deal at GC.

So after the first two years hell be on like 300k and enable us to add other talent, good management by SOS imo

Nothing like a talented player for free, if only Reid could see the forest from the trees you'd have Mcasey and a free second rounder

After 2 years he'll be offered more by another club if he produces. You'll be back to picking GWS and GC discards again.

 

[Mutineer]

I notice you are discussing Martin, I can shed some light on the contract if you like.

Over the 5 years he will average 600k, that's the same as his last deal at GC.

So after the first two years hell be on like 300k and enable us to add other talent, good management by SOS imo

Nothing like a talented player for free, if only Reid could see the forest from the trees you'd have Mcasey and a free second rounder

 

[ShadeyP]

I notice you are discussing Martin, I can shed some light on the contract if you like.

Over the 5 years he will average 600k, that's the same as his last deal at GC.

So after the first two years hell be on like 300k and enable us to add other talent, good management by SOS imo

Nothing like a talented player for free, if only Reid could see the forest from the trees you'd have Mcasey and a free second rounder

We have seen the sausage through the trees and we no longer want to gamble on anything resembling blue meat .

 

[SaltPeter]

I notice you are discussing Martin, I can shed some light on the contract if you like.

Over the 5 years he will average 600k, that's the same as his last deal at GC.

So after the first two years hell be on like 300k and enable us to add other talent, good management by SOS imo

Nothing like a talented player for free, if only Reid could see the forest from the trees you'd have Mcasey and a free second rounder

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I notice you are discussing Martin, I can shed some light on the contract if you like.

Over the 5 years he will average 600k, that's the same as his last deal at GC.

So after the first two years hell be on like 300k and enable us to add other talent, good management by SOS imo

Nothing like a talented player for free, if only Reid could see the forest from the trees you'd have Mcasey and a free second rounder

How much is Martin earning next season?

Not many AFL players are being paid $1m next season...

 

[ShadeyP]

And wtf is all that gobbedly gook and why are you quoting me with it.

If i didn't like you so much i would say you are an asshole ... that was in jest .

 

[Flying_as_One1991]

I notice you are discussing Martin, I can shed some light on the contract if you like.

Over the 5 years he will average 600k, that's the same as his last deal at GC.

So after the first two years hell be on like 300k and enable us to add other talent, good management by SOS imo

Nothing like a talented player for free, if only Reid could see the forest from the trees you'd have Mcasey and a free second rounder

Has to make up for all the stuff ups he has done which send your club backwards for years.

 

[Chase13]

If i didn't like you so much i would say you are an asshole

Well that’s good then how did u see the draft from crows perspective

 

[cleanhands]

How much is Martin earning next season?

Not many AFL players are being paid $1m next season...

OMG is John Elliott back at Carlton

 

[jirkago]

I think Ben Keays will play quite a bit of AFL for us, I don't see him as simply a depth player, Crocker may struggle initially but even he could get games if a guy like Lynch gets injured and Davis doesn't elevate his game this season. Think you're underselling both players quite a bit.

Ronin O'Connor is 191cm and 85kg's already [how big do you want?] and has tested sub 3 sec/20m hasn't he?

Both Sholl and Will Hamill are speedy outside mid/wing/hbf types, plenty of run there and Neddy can play that type of role as well.

Hope you are right because we have lacked that outside run for a few years and it never became more evident then when CC left


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[Ozzie]

Hope you are right because we have lacked that outside run for a few years and it never became more evident then when CC left


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Of course he's right. These young players have been toiling away in the SANFL learning their craft. With all the changes they will get their chance now.

There's plenty of speed to come into the side this year. It'll be a new look team hopefully back to playing on quickly.

That muck Pyke and Campo were offering the players was just wrong. Glad they're gone.

 

[ShadeyP]

Well that’s good then how did u see the draft from crows perspective

I really liked Stephens and Young but very happy with McAsey ... Schoenberg gives us alot of what we do not have and Worrell was a steal .
To be honest i didn't know a great deal about O'Connor and even less about Gollant but content to see how they pan out over the next 2-3 years .
Liked the selections of Keays and Crocker . So All in all a good haul .
My comments to Bicks were good spirited tongue in cheek .... jest .

 

[Jack is Back]

So given he moved here, wasn’t playing for any other club, who did he train with?

He wasn’t a stranger to our program like a normal rookie is.tion

Along with more than 30 other top up players, he trained with the SANFL Squad. Things may have changed in the last two years but according to some top up players with the Crows back then, the SANFL squad only had one full on training session each week. Clubs had to get permission from the AFL if they wanted someone to join them for pre-season training. There was no indication that sMurph was involved in the 2017 pre-season.

On the odd occasion during the season he would get permission to train with the AFL squad. He was able to use the gym etc during his lunch break from the Crows Shop. He also had access to the wit and wisdom of Ryan O’Keefe and our unique game plan.

sMurph would have had a better preparation at an SANFL club but the beauty of playing SANFL for the Crows was that he could be directly compared to the players we picked up in the 2016 draft (Gallucci, Poholke, Himmelberg, Signorello, Davis and Jarman) and he performed better than all of them. At the end of the season he was told that there was a 5% chance we would pick him up as a rookie but the cards fell his way and he has played 32 AFL games in his first two seasons.

R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

 

[Crowman32]

I really like the players we have drafted in the national and rookie draft.

Mcasey - im hoping we try and develop him as a forward as he has the ability to clunk marks, has good foot skills and once he fully grows into his body he will be a powerful boy. If that doesnt work out at worse he will be a very good defender. Very good pick

Schoenberg - our best player in the under 18s championships. His game against vic metro at alberton oval was brilliant. He reads the ball of the ruck exceptionally well and does it at speed making him a very good stoppage player. His foot skills are quite good considering even if it looks a little unorthodox and hes a tackling machines. I think he can make a inpact next year.

Worrell - really good pick as well. I seem hin as a really good future centre half back once he puts on some size. He will provide great run and his booming penetrating kicks will be very valuable. Can also pinch hit foward and do that well as well.

The last two selections oconnor and gollant are probably going to be good project players so hopefully they turn out good. Dont know a lot about those two.

Rookie picks are okay as well. Keays was regarded as a very good junior and definately could play some good footy for us. Crocker might be handy as well.

 

[tinman]

OMG is John Elliott back at Carlton

It's all above board. The rest of Carlton's list have all become "Visy Ambassadors".

What a joke they are . And what a disgrace that the AFL allowed this.

It's got a happy ending though. They're $hit. For all the leg ups, early draft picks, and salary rorts they are rubbish. LOL

At least Martin won't get paid with cash in a brown paper bag. As for the rest of the list?

 

[BrissyCrow]

So not 1 of you will admit you should have honoured the deal and traded down?

As previously said you had leverage over Freo to ensure they wouldn't take McAsy. All you had to do was call them and ask are you taking Mcasy? If you leave him till 9 we won't bid on Henry. At least acknowledge that part?

You guys seemed to be really enjoying the death riding thread at the mid point of the season, what changed?

I have already asked you to go cry somewhere else. BUT I do agree that if both sides had agreed on a clearly defined deal then both sides should honoured the deal. Now I don't know exactly what the so called deal was and I dont believe that you actually know what it was. You are guessing its based on what third parties may have said. I understand that there was an agreement that we would give up pick 6 for nine and that there would be a 2020 pick included. But that pick wasn't defined and when it came down to what it would be SOS said it would be a 2nd rd and we send no it has to be the 1st rd. SO the agreement was dissolved. Its that simple. So that is why no one here believes there was a deal that should have been honoured.

I also read a post that said that SOS did a similar thing when we did the Gibbs deal. SO I reckon he has a history of trying to be a smart arse.

Now please go and cry somewhere else.

 

[BrissyCrow]

I really liked Stephens and Young but very happy with McAsey ... Schoenberg gives us alot of what we do not have and Worrell was a steal .
To be honest i didn't know a great deal about O'Connor and even less about Gollant but content to see how they pan out over the next 2-3 years .
Liked the selections of Keays and Crocker . So All in all a good haul .
My comments to Bicks were good spirited tongue in cheek .... jest .

I also wanted Stephens but not to be. Then I thought why the f**k didnt we take Young with our first pick. So I was disappointed. But since the draft finished I took the view that we are rejuvenating our list and it may take three years to field a team that can make the top four. So getting our future KPF and KPD's in place is a good thing and a good place to start. We have speedy mids in the squad already they just need a opportunity. So I am pleased with our haul.

Now the bonus is that in our second year of rejuvenating we have a strong selection of picks. So I think that our 1st and 2nd years of the rejuvenation will make us a very competitive team.

 

[Kruzering]

How much is Martin earning next season?

Not many AFL players are being paid $1m next season...

He's earning 1mil, but we have been paying under the cap and if we don't spend it we lose it, still averages out to 600k over 5, the fact that it's up front suits us

 

[Kruzering]

I have already asked you to go cry somewhere else. BUT I do agree that if both sides had agreed on a clearly defined deal then both sides should honoured the deal. Now I don't know exactly what the so called deal was and I dont believe that you actually know what it was. You are guessing its based on what third parties may have said. I understand that there was an agreement that we would give up pick 6 for nine and that there would be a 2020 pick included. But that pick wasn't defined and when it came down to what it would be SOS said it would be a 2nd rd and we send no it has to be the 1st rd. SO the agreement was dissolved. Its that simple. So that is why no one here believes there was a deal that should have been honoured.

I also read a post that said that SOS did a similar thing when we did the Gibbs deal. SO I reckon he has a history of trying to be a smart arse.

Now please go and cry somewhere else.

That is true, we don't 100% know


But what is more likely, especially considering you would still very likely get McAsey at 9. A first round pick just to move up 3 picks is extremely generous and we weren't trying to beat a bid like GWS, plus our future first will be more valuable than GWSs. So I find it hard to believe that Reid thought he was getting a first.

We also don't know but our side tellings the Gibbs mix up differently and that Reid was at fault again, maybe that one was a genuine mix up, but surely you don't believe that this recent one was a mix up.

I reckon this happened


-Crows would have taken Stephen, but McAsey was a close second and the GWS offer was too good to be true
-Carlton and Adeialde has an agreement to trade down if Stephens was gone as they could likely get McAsey at 9, the deal involved a future second
-Crows got spooked that Geelong might try and trade down
-Crows were like fu** it just ask Carlton for a first if they want to do as we are worried we'll miss McAsy
-SOS fuming as the next on our board is Serong, Freo take him so it's Kemp, SOS knows he can get better value so gets Kemp and a free hit at Philp who no one's has ever heard of

 

[Elite Crow]

That is true, we don't 100% know


But what is more likely, especially considering you would still very likely get McAsey at 9. A first round pick just to move up 3 picks is extremely generous and we weren't trying to beat a bid like GWS, plus our future first will be more valuable than GWSs. So I find it hard to believe that Reid thought he was getting a first.

We also don't know but our side tellings the Gibbs mix up differently and that Reid was at fault again, maybe that one was a genuine mix up, but surely you don't believe that this recent one was a mix up.

I reckon this happened


-Crows would have taken Stephen, but McAsey was a close second and the GWS offer was too good to be true
-Carlton and Adeialde has an agreement to trade down if Stephens was gone as they could likely get McAsey at 9, the deal involved a future second
-Crows got spooked that Geelong might try and trade down
-Crows were like fu** it just ask Carlton for a first if they want to do as we are worried we'll miss McAsy
-SOS fuming as the next on our board is Serong, Freo take him so it's Kemp, SOS knows he can get better value so gets Kemp and a free hit at Philp who no one's has ever heard of

Look that’s all fantasy stuff, you have no idea what happened and if you’re basing your anger on your imagination only, you should take the discussion to your board.

 

[Drewie11]

He's earning 1mil, but we have been paying under the cap and if we don't spend it we lose it, still averages out to 600k over 5, the fact that it's up front suits us

1 million for a guy that got dropped by the worst team in the AFL and needed the biggest hand out ever given. What a star you’ve got there

 

[Mego Red]

Realistically both won’t play much for us. I question why in the last 2 years we downgrade pick to lower positions and miss out on players that would help us. I feel Hamish knows who he wants and gets them. I think Hamish is making odd decisions like the last pick when we had better options.

The first 3 picks are great rebuilding tools but when the hell is he gonna to pick a few outside wingman? This has been a big issue for years and we haven’t drafted any.

Our list is really uneven and I see a big downfall in the next 2 years. We have no big midfielder and no fast runners. We are depending on Mackay, Atkins and the injury prone Seedsman. We are also slow all around the field. Why pick up all talls?

It just makes no sense, even if you say we took beat available it still smells like BS to me. As fans it’s a big let down as well as these guys won’t contribute much if at all next year. We need some good news on the pitch after last year’s poor showing. Only Jones and McHenry will show something I think


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I'm not sure why you didn't list Jones, McHenry, Smith, Milera, Sholl and Hamill as faster outside players. I'm not sure how often the three runners you list even play.

 

[Mego Red]

I notice you are discussing Martin, I can shed some light on the contract if you like.

Over the 5 years he will average 600k, that's the same as his last deal at GC.

So after the first two years hell be on like 300k and enable us to add other talent, good management by SOS imo

Nothing like a talented player for free, if only Reid could see the forest from the trees you'd have Mcasey and a free second rounder

Or maybe he'll ask to be traded to a third team and get a salary bump, like what happened when you front loaded Gibbs.

Dangerous territory to be in, to deliberately sign contracts so large that they actively dissuade other clubs. Maybe they know something.

We got the player we wanted at the draft, so don't bother flogging it up and telling us we should have done something else, just to help you improve.

 

[mistylake]

Along with more than 30 other top up players, he trained with the SANFL Squad. Things may have changed in the last two years but according to some top up players with the Crows back then, the SANFL squad only had one full on training session each week. Clubs had to get permission from the AFL if they wanted someone to join them for pre-season training. There was no indication that sMurph was involved in the 2017 pre-season.

On the odd occasion during the season he would get permission to train with the AFL squad. He was able to use the gym etc during his lunch break from the Crows Shop. He also had access to the wit and wisdom of Ryan O’Keefe and our unique game plan.

sMurph would have had a better preparation at an SANFL club but the beauty of playing SANFL for the Crows was that he could be directly compared to the players we picked up in the 2016 draft (Gallucci, Poholke, Himmelberg, Signorello, Davis and Jarman) and he performed better than all of them. At the end of the season he was told that there was a 5% chance we would pick him up as a rookie but the cards fell his way and he has played 32 AFL games in his first two seasons.

R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

He’s one of my favourite players. Multiple time he’s run headlong into danger to take a mark with no fear and gets away with it due to attacking the ball. He’s also kicked a few beautiful long range goals while running flat out.
With a bit more support so he doesn’t have to do all the defensive chasing, he can be a bit more attacking because he’s a decent kick when allowed to do it.