List Mgmt. 2019 List Changes, Contract Status, Draft Picks Etc

[barrackers]

Disappointed with Magden re-sign as there are better DFA KPD options out there for the same price like Hartley, Walker and Roberts who could equally be given only a 1year deal.

Hartley's walked out of Essendon with a contract on the table to head to an as yet unconfirmed destination. Greater opportunity, a longer deal or both?

Hartley seeks opportunities elsewhere

Michael Hartley's time in the red and black comes to an end.

www.essendonfc.com.au

General manager of football Dan Richardson thanked Hartley for his contribution to the club.

“We offered Michael a contract, but he indicated to us that he wanted to explore other opportunities,” Richardson said.

UPDATE: Hawks set to swoop on delisted Dons defender

Hawthorn looks set to swoop on Essendon defender Michael Hartley after he departed the Bombers this week

www.afl.com.au

AFL.com.au understands the Hawks are Hartley's likely destination, although other clubs have also watched the key defender at VFL level closely throughout the year and expressed interest.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Hartley's walked out of Essendon with a contract on the table to head to an as yet unconfirmed destination. Greater opportunity, a longer deal or both?

Hartley seeks opportunities elsewhere

Michael Hartley's time in the red and black comes to an end.

www.essendonfc.com.au

UPDATE: Hawks set to swoop on delisted Dons defender

Hawthorn looks set to swoop on Essendon defender Michael Hartley after he departed the Bombers this week

www.afl.com.au

They've already updated the story and said Hawthorn are getting Hartley.

 

[Vicky Park]

Good explanation of why we've resigned these players. One year each keeps our options open too.

Yeah, its an explanation, but I cant recall another period (in recent times) where we signed so many on one year contracts, all at once. Seems odd, but the strategy may be sound and just beyond my comprehension. It certainly frees up a bunch of salaries at the end of 2020. Ned Guy's Grand Plan.

I get the argument put forward by some that there are not better, cheaper or easily got alternatives out there, to many of the players we are keeping. But I was hankering for greater change, and I haven't got it!

 

[pablo disco bar]

Have you ever read anything more underwhelming than Broomhead, Madge & Wills signing on for 2020?


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Put them in a can and send them to Ireland


Bunch of spuds

 

[Antz]

Have you ever read anything more underwhelming than Broomhead, Madge & Wills signing on for 2020?


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Varcoe as well. The game has passed him. Should have hung up his boots this year. Bad decision by the list management team.


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[barrackers]

They've already updated the story and said Hawthorn are getting Hartley.

Thanks, I can't find any confirmation other than the "AFL.com.au understands the Hawks are Hartley's likely destination", which came with a disclaimer that other clubs are interested. My assumption from that is it's more or less a deal done, but paperwork hasn't been officially done.

Yeah, its an explanation, but I cant recall another period (in recent times) where we signed so many on one year contracts, all at once. Seems odd, but the strategy may be sound and just beyond my comprehension. It certainly frees up a bunch of salaries at the end of 2020. Ned Guy's Grand Plan.

I get the argument put forward by some that there are not better, cheaper or easily got alternatives out there, to many of the players we are keeping. But I was hankering for greater change, and I haven't got it!

After the trade period it seemed that we were happy to hold stead for 2020 with a largely unchanged squad. It means the club is confident we have the list to remain a top 4 contender, but for mine it's one heavily reliant on internal improvement if we're to take the final step or two. It's possible with an improved injury run or more likely young players stepping up, but it's a risk.

There also wasn't that big talent available like Lynch last year, which seen medium talents largely overvalued and overpaid by the likes of St Kilda who had cap space to burn. I get the apparent position of the club that the shuffling the deck chairs with other role players wouldn't achieve much especially considering we'd need to offer longer deals. Longer deals that would limit our ability to trim the list ahead of 2021 to the extent necessary to retain Grundy, DeGoey and Moore.

 

[TradeDraft]

Yeah, its an explanation, but I cant recall another period (in recent times) where we signed so many on one year contracts, all at once. Seems odd, but the strategy may be sound and just beyond my comprehension. It certainly frees up a bunch of salaries at the end of 2020. Ned Guy's Grand Plan.

I get the argument put forward by some that there are not better, cheaper or easily got alternatives out there, to many of the players we are keeping. But I was hankering for greater change, and I haven't got it!

We have over Half the List to Re-Sign next Year/Seaspm

 

[Hotpiescoldbeers]

So has everyone signed up besides noble and lynch?

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

So has everyone signed up besides noble and lynch?

Club has already said Lynch is being promoted to the senior list so there's the presumption he has re-signed.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Regarding Noble:

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Have you ever read anything more underwhelming than Broomhead, Madge & Wills signing on for 2020?


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Yes, yes I have.

 

[TradeDraft]

So has everyone signed up besides noble and lynch?

Though Lynch was Re-Signed when he was Promoted to Senior List

 

[Apex36]

Disappointed with Magden re-sign as there are better DFA KPD options out there for the same price like Hartley, Walker and Roberts who could equally be given only a 1year deal.

Coming back from a horrific injury; Broomheads form improved slightly as the VFL year went on but still very lucky considering he averaged only 15 touches. Could argue that Crocker had more impact in the midfield at VFL level.... but he got cut.

Reid is insurance. They've gone the safe bet sticking a player who might offer 10-12 games at best but can come in and immediately play the role. Must have faith that Cameron will soon show that he can take over that role from Reid.

Wills on a rolling one year deal from herein is fair. Injury prone player who is limited but showed he has heart and grunt which we need in the middle when Adams or Sier are missing

Whining about a cat B rookie then suggesting senior list replacements is ridiculous.

 

[Apex36]

Have you ever read anything more underwhelming than Broomhead, Madge & Wills signing on for 2020?


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Yeah, most of the stuff you post is far more underwhelming.

 

[Fratbrat]

On the surface it's basically Cameron for Aish and a few national draft picks while holding the line for big sign ups next year. But within the list I reckon there's 6 players moving into their prime and only 2 players moving out of their prime (broadly based on age) and the ins have far bigger names the outs.

Prime (24-28 Years)

Out: Sidebottom Cox

In: De Goey Moore Maynard Phillips Scharenberg Cameron

 

[whiskeytown]

Whining about a cat B rookie then suggesting senior list replacements is ridiculous.

Righto Mr 'my sh!t don't stink'.... look forward to you vouching for Magden at full back if it happens next year. Never met a bigger Right Fighter in my life

 

[Fratbrat]

On the surface it's basically Cameron for Aish and a few national draft picks while holding the line for big sign ups next year. But within the list I reckon there's 6 players moving into their prime and only 2 players moving out of their prime (broadly based on age) and the ins have far bigger names the outs.

Prime (24-28 Years)

Out: Sidebottom Cox

In: De Goey Moore Maynard Phillips Scharenberg Cameron

It's an ideal time to swap De Goey into the midfield now that Jamie is back and frees up Sidebottom to become a dangerous forward as he ages.
Time will tell if Cameron is an adequate replacement/compliment for Cox. The rest make for a more mature team in the right age bracket.

 

[sr36]

Have you ever read anything more underwhelming than Broomhead, Madge & Wills signing on for 2020?


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Your post is a significantly more underwhelming read.

 

[sr36]

Whining about a cat B rookie then suggesting senior list replacements is ridiculous.

Totally agree. No idea how anyone can be complaining about re-signing Madgen. Late in the year he showed that he was adequate depth. He should be better again next year and as a Cat B rookie, he costs zilch, nada, zip in terms of salary cap. Whilst we have a tight cap, how can anyone complain about depth that doesn't cost a cent in terms of TPP? You'd only consider delisting him if you were keen on an alternative Cat B rookie.

 

[Apex36]

Righto Mr 'my sh!t don't stink'.... look forward to you vouching for Magden at full back if it happens next year. Never met a bigger Right Fighter in my life

Lol. Way to miss the point.

 

[whiskeytown]

Lol. Way to miss the point.

You miss the point. What you are saying is you'd rather Magden than say Walker on the list because Magden costs nothing as a Cat B and a DFA like Walker might cost 150k.

Do you think they will now take a KPD DFA if they are persevering with Magden?

Just because there are Cat B slots that can be filled doesn't mean they a) should be and b) that inadequate Cat B rookies like Magden should be relied on at the expense of a competent KPD on minimum salary.... and an additional spot being taken up on the primary or rookie list

So if injury strikes Moore and Rougheads and we have Magden lining up at full back next year on Lynch, Cameron, etc....because young Kelly and Keane aren't up to that task yet.... I'll be watching what you say.

 

[peter9789]

Have you ever read anything more underwhelming than Broomhead, Madge & Wills signing on for 2020?


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Agree. Broomhead continues his underwhelming career into a 9th season. Never looked like getting a game in the seniors. It’s only a rookie spot but it takes away a spot that I think may have been used by someone with greater potential


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[Quicky]

Yeah, its an explanation, but I cant recall another period (in recent times) where we signed so many on one year contracts, all at once. Seems odd, but the strategy may be sound and just beyond my comprehension. It certainly frees up a bunch of salaries at the end of 2020. Ned Guy's Grand Plan.

I get the argument put forward by some that there are not better, cheaper or easily got alternatives out there, to many of the players we are keeping. But I was hankering for greater change, and I haven't got it!

It makes sense when you consider our draft hand and a need for flexibility to manage the salary cap next year. If we were to delist more players its likely we would not be able to replace them with better players given the draft picks we hold. We will also want the flexibility to off load players next year if needed to manage our critical out of contract players and be positioned to target a top tier key forward. At least that's my read on it.

 

[Quicky]

You miss the point. What you are saying is you'd rather Magden than say Walker on the list because Magden costs nothing as a Cat B and a DFA like Walker might cost 150k.

Do you think they will now take a KPD DFA if they are persevering with Magden?

Just because there are Cat B slots that can be filled doesn't mean they a) should be and b) that inadequate Cat B rookies like Magden should be relied on at the expense of a competent KPD on minimum salary.... and an additional spot being taken up on the primary or rookie list

So if injury strikes Moore and Rougheads and we have Magden lining up at full back next year on Lynch, Cameron, etc....because young Kelly and Keane aren't up to that task yet.... I'll be watching what you say.

If we were to target someone like Walker we would still keep Madgen. It would be Reid to make way. Madgen gets unfairly canned on here. He has done a decent job when given the nod and offers decent depth.

 

[Quicky]

Agree. Broomhead continues his underwhelming career into a 9th season. Never looked like getting a game in the seniors. It’s only a rookie spot but it takes away a spot that I think may have been used by someone with greater potential


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It's probably not a coincidence that we are reluctant to off load Broomhead in a Grundy contract year. That and our draft hand is shizen so our ability to replace him with someone better is debatable.