List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part II

[TheJackal]

Pies missed their chance to get Bruce last year when they backed out and got Beams with their firsts last year.

Best hope for us is Dogs first. I'd prefer to see him at the Dogs anyway.

 

[John2010362340]

In pre-season I thought Paddy was looking fantastic and in my eyes had overtaken Bruce at that stage.

He was. Tragic what’s happened to that guy.

 

[gringo2011]

gringo2011, you may not be depressed but you sure are depressing the living daylights out of me.

This season we have a new coach, new people at the helm, it’s pointless carrying on about the past you cannot change.

Why not just try to drop the baggage of the past, look forward and see where we go from here?

Because if you pick up a hot pan and burn your hand once it's an accident if 30 times later you still haven't learned your lesson you are an idiot.

Sorry you have to deal with it too, but I'm cool with being ignored if you want to block me. It's like a Tourettes like compulsion now.

 

[gringo2011]

Pies missed their chance to get Bruce last year when they backed out and got Beams with their firsts last year.

Best hope for us is Dogs first. I'd prefer to see him at the Dogs anyway.

Yeah, I can't wait for them to win another premiership while we rebuild.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Because if you pick up a hot pan and burn your hand once it's an accident if 30 times later you still haven't learned your lesson you are an idiot.

Sorry you have to deal with it too, but I'm cool with being ignored if you want to block me. It's like a Tourettes like compulsion now.

Nah, I enjoy most of your posts. They’re often like reading a Shakespearean tragedy, with great metaphors thrown in to add to the drama.

I’ve never blocked a poster yet and I’m not going to start with you.

 

[Mowman]

The sad thing is I used to hate Big Mart on SS and I've turned into him.

LOL not even close old mate,
Club needs to win a lot of supporters back and all the talking means nothing
Club will get respect when they earn it and they have a lot of work to do

 

[Indie Rock]

I really hope we can keep all of Steven , Carlisle and Bruce . We have some very young and inexpierenced players in our group and getting rid of that talent wont help much in my view . I think too many people think King is just going to dominate from word go . I mean i hope he does but it seems unlikely as he is going to be playing against much bigger bodied defenders than he is used to . If Bruce goes then there will be so much pressure on Membrey who really should be the third tall forward . Also with Bruce gone i hope they arent planning on throwing King into the ruck already . I guess the other option is to try to get someone like Ryder to play forward and second ruck but i cant see the point . Its not like he has a history of kicking lots of goals .


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More likely to be Marshall spending more time up forward.

If we are moving them on we definitely have to have a plan B to draft in replacements.

So if all 3 go I am assuming:

- Hill in for Steven
- Keath in for Carlisle
- Ryder in for Bruce with Marshall spending more time forward (I don’t agree with this but seems the logical plan given what the club have said about getting another ruck and playing Marshall forward).

If we can do this and improve our draft hand to hit other targets then we’d be doing well.

 

[Darkhour]

Yeah, well it comes across as patronising. Thanks for your interest.

Lol surely you know by now that unless someone directly calls you a $@@_head, you can't read into text on a screen otherwise you'll always take it the wrong way..

I've had my moments curled up in a foetal position after the 2009 GF. I've mellowed a lot more since and just accepted things outside my influence or control.. still wish we'd win an effing flag already .

 

[Premium]

More likely to be Marshall spending more time up forward.

If we are moving them on we definitely have to have a plan B to draft in replacements.

So if all 3 go I am assuming:

- Hill in for Steven
- Keath in for Carlisle
- Ryder in for Bruce with Marshall spending more time forward (I don’t agree with this but seems the logical plan given what the club have said about getting another ruck and playing Marshall forward).

If we can do this and improve our draft hand to hit other targets then we’d be doing well.

Marshall has to stay in the ruck for at least the 86% he is doing now and no way would I want Ryder in the team as a full time forward - helping in the ruck - I'd rather a Grigg type and keep our backup ruck at Sandy when Marshall can't play.

I can deal with King , Battle and Membery as our forwards , if Bruce brings us something good.

 

[BrutThough]

Marshall has to stay in the ruck for at least the 86% he is doing now and no way would I want Ryder in the team as a full time forward - helping in the ruck - I'd rather a Grigg type and keep our backup ruck at Sandy when Marshall can't play.

I can deal with King , Battle and Membery as our forwards , if Bruce brings us something good.

I can see this happening. We keep Carlisle and then bring in either Keath or Tomlinson for the backline and move Battle forward.
I'd also be giving Brown one more year as back-up rather than take pick 104 in the draft.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Board should have been spilled when Richo lost his job. Total failure from those in charge of the club. Who is standing up to take over, though?

There is no accountability and no repercussions for mediocrity and failure at St Kilda. It’s like the blind leading the blind and now we’re heading into a trade period looking to offload top 10 players to bring in, what, maybe 1 guy who isn’t a spud?

Seriously, who’s liking this drivel?


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[Indie Rock]

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Marshall has to stay in the ruck for at least the 86% he is doing now and no way would I want Ryder in the team as a full time forward - helping in the ruck - I'd rather a Grigg type and keep our backup ruck at Sandy when Marshall can't play.

I can deal with King , Battle and Membery as our forwards , if Bruce brings us something good.

I agree with you on Marshall, just repeating what I took out of a club podcast a couple of months ago when Gallagher was talking list strategy.

Trouble is depth, suppose that would be Marsh and not sure if Mayo is anywhere near a senior call up?

Meh that majority of these ‘news’ articles are just traditional media outlets scrambling for the attention of a dwindling market share due to modern information streams.

E.g I knew next to bugger all about democratic socialism but learned more listening to Bernie Sanders talk to the Joe Rogan podcast than I could reading 100 newspaper articles on US politics.

 

[Premium]

I can see this happening. We keep Carlisle and then bring in either Keath or Tomlinson for the backline and move Battle forward.
I'd also be giving Brown one more year as back-up rather than take pick 104 in the draft.

That would be ok , Id rather keep Carlisle if we can't get the value for him , let him play his last year of his contract and see if he can get back to his best , if not he just doesn't get resigned.
For the Saints to be looking at Keath surely they will not go for Tomlinson , we only need one of them.

 

[tomjoad]

The guy who said that we need a mid and a ruck...and that's it. It was from a few pages ago, and could've been another thread...I don't know, and I'm not going through it again to find the quote (life is too short)...anyway, I liked the cut of his gib. We don't need to burn the list to the ground in a single trade period. We are better off methodically and cleverly weeding out players over the next couple of years, on a needs basis. Guys like Carlisle, Sinclair, Acres, and Bruce are unfortunately the product of the modern game. Teams in a better window than ours COULD offer something worthwhile for their services, it's just the way the game has gone...if not then we keep. Carlisle is bloody good when he's on, and I don't see the point in getting a like for like replacement, when we already have one. I'd be inclined to keep him on for now. Bruce stays for another year too, he is tradable and inconsistent, but at the moment necessary. Sincs and Acres are the carrots I'd be dangling this year...they are instantly replaceable and not vital to the team despite having occasional good games here and there. They're probably not worth as much as we would like, but they could net us some picks that could be bundled together. Stuv is probably gone...we'll get someone for him, but might not be happy that it's not Constable. Newnes...well, that's been done to death, if he goes no one will lose sleep. If he stays, we roll our eyes and hope he disappears along with McKenzie. We don't have much of a hand with picks, nor our players...we're an average club with some hyped up youth moving through the ranks. We need those buds to flower, you can't do that by salting the earth. We're going to be average next year anyway as the new coach beds in his philosophy...so it's better to keep our cards a bit closer to our chest, than throwing entire decks at any player who looks sideways at us....and by the way all, NOTHING has happened yet.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

We haven't done much yet, we had a better performance with late picks and won a few more games but still lack high end players and have no plan to find them. We look like getting Hill who is probably just A grade but will lose Stuv and Bruce an A and B grade player. Not really seeing anything majorly better. Lost Richo who may or may not have been the major issue, kept Libba who has been there for a long time and was 2IC in our worst ever drafting era.

Our worst ever drafting period was under John Peake.

Or maybe the period that saw Michael Frost taken in the first few picks.

Or that time we took Dermott McNichol.

Yeah but whatever, ignore what actually happened, just keep the rant going... worst ever was Trout.




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[Keg on legs]

Yeah, well it comes across as patronising. Thanks for your interest.

Nobody wants to patronise you champ. You just keep on doing your best little fella. Dont let anyone get you down

 

[BrutThough]

That would be ok , Id rather keep Carlisle if we can't get the value for him , let him play his last year of his contract and see if he can get back to his best , if not he just doesn't get resigned.
For the Saints to be looking at Keath surely they will not go for Tomlinson , we only need one of them.

It sounds like there is very little interest out there for Carlisle so keeping him is looking likely.

I'd rather Tomlinson over Keath because he is free, younger and more versatile, plus he is more experienced which is something we need .

 

[ScrappyDo]

I reckon Bing 0% of coming
GC not going to ask for a PP and then let B. King go Headquarters will not allow it

Nar not true. If headquarters want to avoid anything it's the possibilities of GC getting screwed coz Bing is OOC and packs his bags regardless. Getting a profitable trade done for him this year is easily the safest best option for GC.

 

[Jade Buddha]

I think you have to take the middle ground with Bruce. He’s not a star but is a solid forward that marks well competes hard but in all sincerity is not good below the knees.

An honest but gutsy player. I wasn’t in the trade him camp but I can see the rationale in it. To me Battle has the potential to absolutely terrorise teams. He is so agile for a tall and is a superb mark and shot for goal.

I really don’t think we need him down back with a fully fit back 6 and I’m not certain we’ll actually trade Jake C if we don’t get the goods.

 

[Jade Buddha]

It sounds like there is very little interest out there for Carlisle so keeping him is looking likely.

I'd rather Tomlinson over Keath because he is free, younger and more versatile, plus he is more experienced which is something we need .

Having watched Keath a fair bit over here Brut I wouldn’t underestimate him. He’s a very good checking defender that reads and intercepts well. He is a much better 1 on 1 than what I’ve seen of Thommo.

 

[TheJackal]

Yeah, I can't wait for them to win another premiership while we rebuild.

If we aren't winning one someone else has to and I'd prefer for it not to be a big Melbourne club.

Plus Dogs have more trade currency.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Again. Let’s see what happens. We are still a month away from anything. We still need to workout the futures of Acres and Newnes, Robbo and Paddy.

8 clubs still in finals, so we need to see what happens there. It’s too early to panic and worry. Let’s be excited

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[Jade Buddha]

If we lose Bruce it absolutely must improve our midfield and you’d have to think that’s Hill

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

LOL not even close old mate,
Club needs to win a lot of supporters back and all the talking means nothing
Club will get respect when they earn it and they have a lot of work to do

It seems to me like the talking the club is actually doing is pretty positive.

It’s the hysterical & unfounded misery being pumped out by certain supporters that is ignoring any positive progress the club is making.

I’d love to know what trades the club has made this far this year that has offended the delicate petals so much. [emoji6]


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[gringo2011]

Our worst ever drafting period was under John Peake.

Or maybe the period that saw Michael Frost taken in the first few picks.

Or that time we took Dermott McNichol.

Yeah but whatever, ignore what actually happened, just keep the rant going... worst ever was Trout.




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Didn't Peake get Stanley, Cripps and Tom Lynch. Cripps was a pick in the 20s then he didn't come back in until the 40s where he got Crocker, Ledger at 59 and Siposs at 75. They were shit picks to work with and a draft with 8 out of the first 13 draft picks taken by GC and they'd already plucked the 17 year olds from before that.

2009 we used our highest pick on Lovett and didn't get back into the draft until the 30s where we took Winmar. Also rookie Hutchings that year and picked up Pattison from Richmond as a ready made.

Trout has had nearly his whole list turned over in the last 5 years and we are trying to trade out or replace the rest. Yeah, he was great. Trout had high picks due to our ladder position and blew most of them.