List Mgmt. 2020 Draft (December 9) discussion thread

[dlanod]

Our currently owned picks:

24 - Blake Coleman
43 - Harry Sharp
48 - Henry Smith

Our currently owned 2021 picks:

1st (MEL), 1st (BRI), 3rd (WCE), 3rd (BRI), 4th (MEL), 4th (COL), 5th (BRI)

 

[Dalions]

Twomey usually has pretty good mail re draft bidding and ranges, I'm with JB I'd be matching the bid on Blake Coleman no matter where it is.

Eg. If he is bid on at 10(highly unlikely) our next selection is currently 25, so would it be worth not matching and hoping the player/s we rate higher than Blake would still be available when we got to our pick at 25+?

I think we try and trade Melbournes first next year and 25 for a pick between 10-15 this year and some later pick swaps.
So that way they can bid whenever they want. We will have enough points.

 

[irel]

I think we try and trade Melbournes first next year and 25 for a pick between 10-15 this year and some later pick swaps.
So that way they can bid whenever they want. We will have enough points.

WOW that's a panic trade. The strategy has been to accumulate picks in next year's draft and you're suggesting we change mid way.
We already have enough points.
Panicking on rumors.
Let's sell the farm [emoji16]

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[WhiteLionFeva]

I think we try and trade Melbournes first next year and 25 for a pick between 10-15 this year and some later pick swaps.
So that way they can bid whenever they want. We will have enough points.

Collingwood has picks 14 and 16 and who's to say they might not trade up further. If they really do rate him.

 

[M Malice]

I think we try and trade Melbournes first next year and 25 for a pick between 10-15 this year and some later pick swaps.
So that way they can bid whenever they want. We will have enough points.

We may try and do this IF we have good intel that the Pies or another team in that range are going to bid on Blake Coleman.... a 2nd IF, we rate the player likely to be available around there eg. O'Driscoll, Bruhn, Perkins being of more value than what we could get with the Demons 2021 1st rounder.

Note- I gave myself a headache trying to word this post correctly, I think it makes sense.

 

[JasRulz63]

Swans commit to bid on Ugle-Hagan if he's available at pick No.3

Jamarra Ugle-Hagan is set to slip no further than pick No.3 in next Wednesday night's national draft, with Sydney committing to bidding on the Western Bulldogs' academy prospect if he is still available at the Swans' first selection.

www.theage.com.au

Rival clubs are also of the view that the Pies are interested in bidding on Brisbane Lions academy small forward Blake Coleman with one of Collingwood's two first-round selections (currently No.14 and No.16).

Coleman is blessed with pace and could help fill the void left by Jaidyn Stephenson, who was traded last month to North. Coleman is the younger brother of Keidean Coleman, who featured for Brisbane in this year's AFL finals.

The Age also running with the same story regarding Coleman. Less than ideal if we have to use pick 25, but it would justify the trade we did with Melbourne.

Hope Dodo goes early on McInnes with pick 6.

 

[Dalions]

WOW that's a panic trade. The strategy has been to accumulate picks in next year's draft and you're suggesting we change mid way.
We already have enough points.
Panicking on rumors.
Let's sell the farm [emoji16]

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That wasn’t the plan to begin with at all.
The plan was to try and trade up this year, that didn’t eventuate.
So we traded into next year.
The suggestion is not to fail that bid.
Just a suggestion to get back into this years first round.
A few of our talls are faltering and looking shaky.
Nick Cox would be a great pick up but will likely go in the top 12-15 picks now.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The AFL Draft Central draft guide has this to say about Blake Coleman:

A highly skilled forward with an elite combo of speed, strength, and agility that makes him difficult to stop.

STRENGTHS
› Explosive speed/agility
› Clean hands
› High marking
› Footy IQ
› Forward craft

IMPROVEMENTS
› Endurance
› Consistent output

Blake Coleman is one of the most exciting forwards available in this year’s crop. He has the explosiveness and x-factor that recruiters often look for in draft prospects, and he should only get better with experience in the AFL system. As one of many to be coming through the strong Brisbane Lions Academy cohort this year, Coleman already has ties to a club in the Sunshine State.

The Brisbane Lions Academy prospect had a fantastic season for Morningside in the QAFL. He played predominantly as a deep forward, which is his strongest position. His aerial ability makes him a serious threat when the ball is in the air, but he also has electric speed which makes him dangerous once the ball hits the ground.

With his fantastic strength and leaping ability, Coleman plays much taller than the 181cm he is listed at. His combination of strength, speed, and agility makes him difficult for defenders to stop, particularly in one-on-one contests. Defenders often panic in these situations and give away free kicks to Coleman for holds. He also positions himself well in one-on-ones and is great at reading the flight of the ball. His kicking is another strong attribute, as he rarely misses a target and delivered
some outstanding spearing and well-weighted kicks in the forward half this season. He is very crafty in front of goal and reliable from set shots.

Coleman does need to improve his output on a more consistent basis, and this will be improved by increasing his endurance base. At this stage it might be low, which is why he has shown glimpses in little spurts, but Coleman has the potential to be a really impressive player at the top level, and is more readymade than his brother Keidean who was taken as an over-ager last year by Brisbane Lions.

Bear in mind, endurance is the attribute that can be most easily improved with a few years in the AFL system. It's not something that puts me off a prospect.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

A new draft watcher named Draftables had this to say regarding us taking a ruck:

It may come down to where a bid on Coleman comes and what picks get absorbed by matching that bid but at pick 29ish I think its a touch too early for Heath or Neale who I have in that 30-50 range, so not outrageously early. Then Lane or Walsh who are probably 50+ where the Lions may have a pick.

I tend to agree, our first pick would be a reach for Heath/Neale, if it isn't chewed up by a Coleman bid to begin with. Maybe once the Coleman bid comes in, we could trade for a mid-late 2nd using next year's second to grab Heath/Neale, who are probably a category above Walsh/Lane.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Did Coleman do any testing at the Qld combine? I would be interested to know how he rated in the 20m sprint. I must say my impression watching him in the QAFL Grand Final is that he is quicker than his brother but not sure he has explosive speed.

 

[jackess]

Keidan as a Collingwood supporter. I wonder if Blake is

 

[JasRulz63]

Did Coleman do any testing at the Qld combine? I would be interested to know how he rated in the 20m sprint. I must say my impression watching him in the QAFL Grand Final is that he is quicker than his brother but not sure he has explosive speed.

3.07s according to Draft Central. 7:45 min in the 2km.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

3.07s according to Draft Central. 7:45 min in the 2km.

Which confirms my suspicions. I think there is a fair bit of hype around Coleman that is not borne out by either the stats or his exposed form. I still want us to draft him regardless, but I'm not banking on him becoming the next Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

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31

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180cm

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76kg

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or Cyril Rioli.

 

[Quigley]

Cyril when he was drafted tested appallingly. He was carrying more than a few extra kilos and could not run out of sight on a dark night. Blake in much better shape.

 

[Dalions]

Which confirms my suspicions. I think there is a fair bit of hype around Coleman that is not borne out by either the stats or his exposed form. I still want us to draft him regardless, but I'm not banking on him becoming the next Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

31

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

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Last 5

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12.1

3star

K

8.4

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3.7

3star

M

3.0

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G

1.5

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9.6

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K

7.9

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M

3.6

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1.4

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3.4

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or Cyril Rioli.

Run 3.04 in Pre -Season testing earlier this year.


Queensland:

1. Jack Briskey (Brisbane Lions Academy) – 2.92 seconds
2. Riley Buckland (Gold Coast SUNS Academy) – 2.94
3. Darcy Prest (Brisbane Lions Academy) – 2.98
4. Tahj Abberley (Brisbane Lions Academy) – 3.02
5. Flynn Petersons (Gold Coast SUNS Academy) – 3.03
=6. Billy Evers (Gold Coast SUNS Academy) – 3.04
=6. Kirk McGrory (Brisbane Lions Academy) – 3.04
=6. Damon Eastwell (Brisbane Lions Academy) – 3.04
=6. Blake Coleman (Brisbane Lions Academy) – 3.04
=10. 3.06 x4

 

[jjami15]

As much as I would like Blake on our list is he really a top 20 player? Personally don’t have knowledge but get the feeling he might not. Then again small forwards do go high these days. I would rather trade out our second rounder for one next year (Geelong have 3). Who knows but I know for one thing if the Lions don’t rate him that high they won’t match.

 

[KissKiss]

I would have thought that anything under 3 flat is considered fast at AFL level?

But at the same time reaction time is just as important for the small pressure forward players

 

[M Malice]

As much as I would like Blake on our list is he really a top 20 player? Personally don’t have knowledge but get the feeling he might not. Then again small forwards do go high these days. I would rather trade out our second rounder for one next year (Geelong have 3). Who knows but I know for one thing if the Lions don’t rate him that high they won’t match.

What happens in a scenario where Blake is bid on around 15-19 and our next selection is 25+ and we only rate 1-4 players in front of him at that spot?

Do we take the risk, cross our fingers and hope that 1 of them slides to our 25+ selection or match the bid.

Easy decision for us if the bid is the selection before ours but a lot of thinking to do if it is multiple selections before.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I would have thought that anything under 3 flat is considered fast at AFL level?

But at the same time reaction time is just as important for the small pressure forward players

Yeah, for the same reason I often wonder whether the 20m sprint is a very useful measure of speed (for AFL). You look at someone like Jacob Allison

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Jacob Allison

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27

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195cm

Wt

87kg

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15.2

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8.3

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0.7

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No current season stats available

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who won the sprint test at the 2016 combine with a time of 2.87s and I doubt people would regard him as fast. Yet in the same year Ben Ainsworth

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Ben Ainsworth

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

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14.1

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12.8

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4.0

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13.6

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6.8

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6.8

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M

3.8

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3.4

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G

0.6

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and Shai Bolton

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Shai Bolton

Age

27

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

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M/F

Career

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Last 5

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12.3

3star

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6.9

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2.8

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2.9

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1.4

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D

12.7

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9.2

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3.5

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3.0

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2.7

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1.8

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9.2

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4.6

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2.0

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, who we might assess to be quicker than Allison, tested at 2.90s and 2.95s respectively. Jack Watts tested at 2.82s in 2008.

 

[JasRulz63]

Keidean ran a 3.02 sec in his overage year.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

I think we try and trade Melbournes first next year and 25 for a pick between 10-15 this year and some later pick swaps.
So that way they can bid whenever they want. We will have enough points.

Seems very counterproductive to the Melbourne pick trade, in that scenario that pick 10-15 would have cost us picks 18,19 and a future 2nd (while accumulating a few late pick.) Seems like a huge backflip from our trade period.

Think the smart play would be just to see what happens and rely on live trading. If a bid comes before pick 25, try to get added value by trading that prior to matching. West Coast holds their own and Ports 2021 second rounds and don’t come into this draft to late, they maybe interested.
If we’re still interested in a draftee, look to trade our future first for one of GWS pick in the teens.

Even taking Coleman and trying to move those later picks up, considering everyone draft board will vary greatly late, doesn’t seem like a bad outcome either.

 

[mpal6]

Collingwood has picks 14 and 16 and who's to say they might not trade up further. If they really do rate him.

If they go up further, it won't be for Blake I think. Every phantom draft has a solid top 20 and Blake was nowhere near it. Not expecting him to become top 10 all of a sudden.

 

[dlanod]

If Collingwood bids with pick 16, it'll basically just eat 25 and move 53 back a bit. We'll still have quite a few points if we're looking at Carter Michael, for example.

 

[M Malice]

I was hoping we could snag someone like Bailey Laurie, Zane Trew, Zavier Maher or Eddie Ford before the bid came... C'est La Vie.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Can see us trying to move back a bit more if we suspect a bid to come early. Collingwood in turn will be hoping a bid doesn’t come in early for their next gen kid which might negate the need. Can’t say the live trading doesn’t spice things up.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Trading out our 2021 Melbourne first rounder would be a mistake and I think it's highly unlikely. If the Dees implode we could be looking at a top 4 pick in a very strong draft.