List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Shadow89]

to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

 

[PMBangers]

He wouldn't be comfortably in the best 22 for Brisbane either right? I hope we make a play at him.

Only played 6 games this year with minimal injury

 

[Mego Red]

Has there been knocks on culture (other than BF commentary)?

I thought there'd been a couple of main knocks:

• Coaching
• Effort
• Salary cap management

Even the articles talking about how many players we might lose haven't been suggesting it's because players "want out", it's largely been focused on how they're getting massive offers from other clubs.

I think the footy industry has always considered the Giants to have a great culture.

 

[Giant Pete]

I was literally talking to a mate about this last night. I totally agree. He takes the kick outs too which means Whitfield can push higher up the ground. Really rate this move.... if we loose Williams I’m hoping we make a play for him

We’ve got the Shaw replacement in Cumming. And we have Ash for Williams. Add in Whitfield, who plays his best footy down back.

 

[Giant Strides]

Wouldn't mind looking at Witherden from Brisbane for this, would be a decent Shaw replacement as a slower general defender with good disposal, allos Ash to be a bit more free and make those runs we want him to to

100% agree with this. The problem is that he's contracted - for another 2 years. But this season he's been out of the Lions' preferred line (dlanod can probably explain why), so if we essentially promise him that Shaw role - at which I think he'd be fantastic - then it would help us. Shaw's best was fantastic for us - look at his AA years, plus his little cameos the last two years - it's just the slow degradation of skills such that his current normal output isn't enough.

 

[Mego Red]

I'm not comfortably matching the reported 400-500k offers Caldwell is getting. I'm a fan but he hasn't done enough when given the chance to warrant that sort of money

There's at least some chance that could become a Brodie or Scrimshaw-type decision.

 

[PMBangers]

100% agree with this. The problem is that he's contracted - for another 2 years. But this season he's been out of the Lions' preferred line (dlanod can probably explain why), so if we essentially promise him that Shaw role - at which I think he'd be fantastic - then it would help us. Shaw's best was fantastic for us - look at his AA years, plus his little cameos the last two years - it's just the slow degradation of skills such that his current normal output isn't enough.

dlanod definitley our best incite, but for a guy thats shown as much as Witherden, at his age, a future second I'd be pretty happy departing with for him, hell if we get Band 2 or 3 for Corr I'm happy shipping that off

There's at least some chance that could become a Brodie or Scrimshaw-type decision.

That's the worry, and we've seen what giving these guys big contracts has done to us in the past with Bonar and especially Setterfield where we have to take unders to get the cash off the books

 

[Andre the Giant]

I've said all year I wouldn't hate us exploring moving Hopper on for a Hybrid type with a bit of speed, could keep it local and look at Florent, Sandy team mate of TT as well. Obviously won't happen but that's the type of aggressive trade move I'd love to see us make, and actively improve our list rather than only draft players constantly

Might be TPP related? Getting them via draft is cheaper albeit more risky. Would love some more pace but would love for us to bring in a quality Key defender and a ruck.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Toby is our POD going forward, we need to draft someone with similar attributes in the forwardline if we move him into the midfield because we simply can't function without him (see every game he doesn't play). It's why I like an Oliver Henry/ Eddie Ford type in the draft that are that 186-188 cm and have great hands overhead for their height, it allows us that flexibility

I think they had that in mind with Butters but bloody Port got in just before us...

 

[PMBangers]

Might be TPP related? Getting them via draft is cheaper albeit more risky. Would love some more pace but would love for us to bring in a quality Key defender and a ruck.

TPP would play a part, and I've been saying we need a KPD all year (I'm in favour of drafting so we have a long term partner for Taylor) but trading for one might be the more effective way, if ones available. Easier to find a year one ready Hybrid mid in a draft than it is to find a year one ready KPD. The other part is how attractive of a prospect are we to players not at the club? Not many players move to a state that isn't their home state if it isn't a traditional football state, unless it's for overs, so we're in a tricky spot

 

[PMBangers]

I think they had that in mind with Butters but bloody Port got in just before us...

I can't even describe my love for Butters as a player, if we had our time again I think he would've been our first pick, been electric for Port

 

[Giant Pete]

We shouldn’t be overpaying for anyone these days. If they want to go let them go. We’ll take compo and go from there.

 

[Gigantic]

There's probably only 3 players on our list I'd comfortably be willing to pay overs any day of the week and they are Haynes, Greene and Whitfield. Anyone else we should (hesitatingly) let go if the price isn't right.

 

[Andre the Giant]

I can't even describe my love for Butters as a player, if we had our time again I think he would've been our first pick, been electric for Port

Butters is the next Toby, so similar in aggression, skill and application. He just needs to put some meat on the bones and he will be a potential champion.

 

[Giant Strides]

maybe someone like petreclle from west coast might be someone worth a run at. Pace to burn and starved of chances. I imagine he would be cheap

Petrucelle has literally just re-signed with West Coast for 2 years.

 

[Giant Strides]

Isaac Cumming had a few good touches last night - as he has had in previous games - but he doesn't get his hands on the ball enough for mine. Now that may be something he rectifies going forward with a more settled role. But I still think that Witherden is a more composed and precise distributor - I'd have Cumming and Ash (presuming Williams goes) as the guys running off him. That also leaves Whitfield further upfield to help that transition from back half to forward half.

Lachie can always rotate within a game with either Ash or Cumming just to mix it around.

But, like others, I don't think we'll be imaginative enough to try such a heist. (Even if Witherden was interested.)

 

[PMBangers]

Isaac Cumming had a few good touches last night - as he has had in previous games - but he doesn't get his hands on the ball enough for mine. Now that may be something he rectifies going forward with a more settled role. But I still think that Witherden is a more composed and precise distributor - I'd have Cumming and Ash (presuming Williams goes) as the guys running off him. That also leaves Whitfield further upfield to help that transition from back half to forward half.

Lachie can always rotate within a game with either Ash or Cumming just to mix it around.

But, like others, I don't think we'll be imaginative enough to try such a heist. (Even if Witherden was interested.)

I like Cumming as a Wing prospect more than defender, just doesn't have the necessary defensive craft when I watch him, but given the option to be switch kick/ back outlet at a stoppage I reckon he'd do some serious damage

 

[Giant Pete]

I like Cumming as a Wing prospect more than defender, just doesn't have the necessary defensive craft when I watch him, but given the option to be switch kick/ back outlet at a stoppage I reckon he'd do some serious damage

No. He doesn’t have a good tank. He has more explosive speed.
He was playing really well until he did his hammy. He can mark overhead superbly. And he is a good kick. Give him a chance.

 

[PMBangers]

No. He doesn’t have a good tank. He has more explosive speed.
He was playing really well until he did his hammy. He can mark overhead superbly. And he is a good kick. Give him a chance.

I worry about a guy that's been in the system 4-5 years and hasn't developed a good tank. Regardless, if he hasn't got that fitness to play Wing than maybe his future is in the forwardline as a Toby like presence with his marking?

 

[LordLucifer]

maybe someone like petreclle from west coast might be someone worth a run at. Pace to burn and starved of chances. I imagine he would be cheap

Just signed a contract extension to stay at the Eagles.

 

[Virgin Dog]

I've said all year I wouldn't hate us exploring moving Hopper on for a Hybrid type with a bit of speed, could keep it local and look at Florent, Sandy team mate of TT as well. Obviously won't happen but that's the type of aggressive trade move I'd love to see us make, and actively improve our list rather than only draft players constantly

Could that not just be Caldwell though? Or do you mean an established player

 

[PMBangers]

Could that not just be Caldwell though? Or do you mean an established player

Working off the assumption Caldwell is leaving with that one, but also don't think he's quite got the top speed of Florent personally, but if Caldwell were to stay a starting midfield of Caldwell, TT and Green wouldn't be something I complain about

 

[Andre the Giant]

Sing Hallelujah brothers, the dinosaur is gone.

 

[PMBangers]

Sing Hallelujah brothers, the dinosaur is gone.

This probably means Mumford stays an extra year or two =(

 

[Virgin Dog]

Working off the assumption Caldwell is leaving with that one, but also don't think he's quite got the top speed of Florent personally, but if Caldwell were to stay a starting midfield of Caldwell, TT and Green wouldn't be something I complain about

I love the burst of Caldwell, even if he hasn't shown a lot of it at AFL level yet. Got a lot of grunt too, just such a perfect inside player. I felt there wasn't a huge gap between him and Bailey Smith in their draft year, with Caldwell showing more vision in traffic, but Smith just being a better kick and more durable really.

Can understand the Giants letting him go if those $500k+ offers are legit. Just silly to go anywhere near a contract like that for an unproven midfielder when you've got so many fighting for spots as it is

 

[fridgeman]

Another year with Mumford then