List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Shadow89]

to get you have to give

nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement

Tom Lynch.

 

[GWS Goose]

This is clearly just a hypothetical considering Taranto isn't leaving, but if he were to request a trade, how does Zach Merrett sound as a replacement? GWS already have a ton of inside mids so that won't be an issue. Merrett would complement your midfield very well as an inside/outside player with great skills.
Some reports state that Merrett may be displeased with the club so he could be gettable for opposition teams.

I clearly wouldn't want to lose Merrett, but if both players want out, then this can be making the most of a bad situation.

They wouldnt be too far apart you'd think. I m pretty sure Taranto is happy and I cant see us parting with him. but in the hypothetical scenario that neither were happy, that would seem a reasonable trade, assuming similar money etc

 

[JayJ20]

They wouldnt be too far apart you'd think. I m pretty sure Taranto is happy and I cant see us parting with him. but in the hypothetical scenario that neither were happy, that would seem a reasonable trade, assuming similar money etc

Even if Taranto settles on leaving GWS , I highly doubt he would choose us ahead of other VIC clubs.

XOH is probably a more realistic target for us. What do you guys think an acceptable offer for him is? Obviously wouldn't cost as much as GWS would hope. We don't really have a second rounder.

 

[GWS Goose]

Even if Taranto settles on leaving GWS , I highly doubt he would choose us ahead of other VIC clubs.

XOH is probably a more realistic target for us. What do you guys think an acceptable offer for him is? Obviously wouldn't cost as much as GWS would hope. We don't really have a second rounder.

You'd think second rounder is about the mark, maybe with us giving a bit back. Depends on what happens with the other guys. The more we sign, the less likely we are to keep, and the price falls.

 

[Orange Agent]

Taranto wouldn't even relieve salary cap pressure as he was signed before winning the B+F.

 

[GWS Goose]

Taranto wouldn't even relieve salary cap pressure as he was signed before winning the B+F.

He is no chance to be released early

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Matt Bain, Taranto's manager, laughed off the suggestion that the former number two pick, who was the Giants' best and fairest winner last year, could be moving.

"There's zero truth in it. It will not be happening. He signed last year until the end of 2022 and he loves the club, he loves it up there. Tim Taranto is not leaving," said Bain.

'Zero truth' in Taranto becoming a Saint

Essendon great Matthew Lloyd said on Footy Classified on Wednesday night that Taranto was the ideal player for the Saints and he would be their prime target in this trade period.

www.theage.com.au

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Preuss, 25, has attracted interest from GWS who are doing their research on the hulking ruckman, while Sydney is also in the conversation.

The Giants have queries about Preuss’ ability to cover the ground and spread. He is a monster of a man at 206cm and 114kg.

Melbourne defender expected to depart club

Sam Edmund has the story.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Pres]

Melbourne defender expected to depart club

Sam Edmund has the story.

www.sen.com.au

If GWS trade in Preuss you'd think they'd delist one of Flynn or Briggs (assuming Mumford plays on).

You don't carry 4 ruckmen on your list - particularly in the upcoming era of reduced list sizes.

 

[Danny88]

If GWS trade in Preuss you'd think they'd delist one of Flynn or Briggs (assuming Mumford plays on).

You don't carry 4 ruckmen on your list - particularly in the upcoming era of reduced list sizes.

Flynn contracted until 2021 and Briggs until 2022... they aren’t going anywhere.

 

[Colonial]

If GWS trade in Preuss you'd think they'd delist one of Flynn or Briggs (assuming Mumford plays on).

You don't carry 4 ruckmen on your list - particularly in the upcoming era of reduced list sizes.

I doubt we drop either. Big time doubt.

 

[Pres]

So Giants will carry 4 ruckmen?

And given Preuss is still quite young he'll be directly competing with Flynn and Briggs for the #1 ruck spot?

 

[Colonial]

So Giants will carry 4 ruckmen?

And given Preuss is still quite young he'll be directly competing with Flynn and Briggs for the #1 ruck spot?

My guess/opinion is Mummy signed/is signing a rookie contract as a ruck coach and there should injuries turn sour, again.

Yep competition is good.

 

[PMBangers]

Competition is good but I'm glad the club are concerned with the ability to cover the ground, it's a literal Mumford replacement that can jump, can we really afford to continue essentially playing with 17 out of ruck contests?

 

[captainMyCaptain]

If he definitely wanted to stay he would have re-signed by now

 

[Danny88]

I like the club has a price and is sticking to it. That said if Cameron walks.... we are stuffed for 2021 IMO.

I’m backing him to stay

 

[GWS Goose]

If GWS trade in Preuss you'd think they'd delist one of Flynn or Briggs (assuming Mumford plays on).

You don't carry 4 ruckmen on your list - particularly in the upcoming era of reduced list sizes.

I agree if they sign Pruess and re-sign Mumford that is a concession you don't think the kids are good enough

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Giants to offer Mumford a contract for 2021

The Giants are happy for Shane Mumford play on in 2021 as back-up for their developing ruckmen, as they aim for a ready-made ruckman in the trade period.

www.theage.com.au

Veteran ruckman Shane Mumford is expected to remain on the Giants' list in 2021 with the club set to offer the 34-year-old a new deal as they look to retain him as back-up to be used in case of emergency.

The Giants are on the lookout for a new ruckman after the retirement of Sam Jacobs, who lost form in 2020 after crossing from Adelaide as a free agent, with Melbourne's Braydon Preuss one of several ruckmen being monitored as they look to boost their ruck stocks.

They are waiting on key forward Jeremy Cameron to make a decision on his future while they are also in discussions with young midfielder Jye Caldwell, Jackson Hately and Xavier O'Halloran about their next contracts.

The Giants are increasingly confident that Caldwell will stay despite significant interest from St Kilda while Hately is weighing up whether to return to Adelaide, with the prospect of playing as an inside midfielder attractive.

 

[Giant Strides]

Hmmm, to be honest, I'm just not sure what the Mumford contract offer says - except that it seems to me it says the list manager doesn't have a strong view of what's the best way forward.

Although, to be fair, without knowing what the list size and TPP is for next year, I don't know how any list manager can be making good decisions!

I've seen speculation on BF today that the list size number next year might be 38-40 main list plus 2-4 Cat A rookie list (so 42 in those two categories, a reduction of just 2) and 2 Cat B rookies (1 reduction). In that case, the total numbers wouldn't be that much different to this year and 4 rucks isn't too bad. Mummy might not play much, with Preuss (or an alternative ruckman if we can't nab him) in first grade, and Briggs/Flynn rotating in NEAFL (presuming they are back playing next year) and filling in for any Preuss injuries. Mummy is essentially a coach foremost and emergency player in the event of injuries.

To be fair, Flynn was screwed over this year by his injury, and both of the youngsters were screwed over by COVID stopping all NEAFL games and stunting their development.

If the list size numbers are lower than quoted above, then our list manager is being ultra conservative and not willing to take a risk on Flynn and Briggs being the second line rucks - which does indicate there is not full faith in their level of development. And we will suffer from having used a spot on a fourth ruckman.

And yes, getting a 25 year old ruckman may impact on both of the boys in terms of future first grade selection. But to be fair, we just cannot keep rolling the dice on cooked ruckmen until Flynn/Briggs are deemed ready - it has hurt us this year to have third-grade level rucks. The jury is still out on Preuss, though, in my mind. Lots of Demons fans bullish that he's a great ruck, but I'm not sure. So we're likely be hedging our bets between him and our two home-grown boys.

Still a shitshow in regards rucks!

 

[dlanod]

$700k pa for Cameron is a massive low ball offer compared to the going KPF rate - look at Lynch for example. If that's true we're not even really looking to keep him.

 

[Giant Strides]

$700k pa for Cameron is a massive low ball offer compared to the going KPF rate - look at Lynch for example. If that's true we're not even really looking to keep him.

Seems odd. Even Ben Brown was $850k p.a. wasn't it reported?

Is it tailored to a likely reduction in salary cap? or trying to say that he's been well remunerated in previous years, time to take a cut for the team? Or just poor reporting - pure speculation.

 

[Giant Pete]

$700k pa for Cameron is a massive low ball offer compared to the going KPF rate - look at Lynch for example. If that's true we're not even really looking to keep him.

I don’t mind it. He season was poor. We have to stop overpaying players. Simple.

 

[dlanod]

I don’t mind it. He season was poor. We have to stop overpaying players. Simple.

a) he won the Coleman last year. Why does this year become dominant when it comes to a long term contract? Normally it's a combination of recent form and expected future production.
b) while I agree about overpaying players, $700k for a top three or better KPF is so far off market rate it's laughable. If you compare player contracts to production, we're paying way above top market rate for a medium forward and we're paying Cogs like a top 10 midfielder.

Overpaying someone of Cameron's role, age, and demonstrated production would be about $1.5m pa based off the contracts of similar players like Buddy, Hawkins, Lynch and others. We're not even approaching half that.

(All comments are assuming the mooted figure is correct, as that's the only one we have currently.)

 

[Giant Pete]

a) he won the Coleman last year. Why does this year become dominant when it comes to a long term contract? Normally it's a combination of recent form and expected future production.
b) while I agree about overpaying players, $700k for a top three or better KPF is so far off market rate it's laughable. If you compare player contracts to production, we're paying way above top market rate for a medium forward and we're paying Cogs like a top 10 midfielder.

Overpaying someone of Cameron's role, age, and demonstrated production would be about $1.5m pa based off the contracts of similar players like Buddy, Hawkins, Lynch and others. We're not even approaching half that.

(All comments are assuming the mooted figure is correct, as that's the only one we have currently.)

He did get well overpayed in his last contract. We do have a history of following the big paycheque up with a smaller one - players seemingly understand that they’ve been setup financially - so they can take a cut so other players can have their turn, so to speak.
Not sure what the new cap is - maybe 700 is more like 900 (relatively).

 

[Colonial]

I like the club has a price and is sticking to it. That said if Cameron walks.... we are stuffed for 2021 IMO.

I’m backing him to stay

I would love for him to stay, but for some reason I don’t think it’s a doomsday scenario if he goes.

 

[Pres]

$700k pa for Cameron is a massive low ball offer compared to the going KPF rate - look at Lynch for example. If that's true we're not even really looking to keep him.

Paid too much for Cogs etc and now this is the result. Can't have everyone on big deals. Agree he could command a lot more on the open market.

(He'd be great at North and we have squillions in cap space....)