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No way... next years draft is quality and it could conceivably be a top 3 pick
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List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread - Part 2
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No way... next years draft is quality and it could conceivably be a top 3 pick
Pretty sure he does iirc. Watched a couple of Claremont games on 7. The games I saw I thought he was OK. Not up to the hype but it was a small sample size. Freo seem to like him and obviously they would know better.
As much as a flog Sumich is, Grainger-Barrass is a great pick as well. Even as a defender could still use those glue hands up forward.
BUT how the hell are we even going to trade up? Our earliest pick is 12. Albeit a few bids, it might slide to 13-15. The one after is second round .
No one is going to accept any offer of those picks, unless we throw the future bath water and add first round picks for next year. Good idea, but no thanks Sumo.
The WA bias is a bit sick.Saying kids leave at 24, 25 and we re wrong in picking up Cerra and Brayshaw.. no wonder why no club has him coaching.
BUT how the hell are we even going to trade up? Our earliest pick is 12. Albeit a few bids, it might slide to 13-15. The one after is second round .
No one is going to accept any offer of those picks, unless we throw the future bath water and add first round picks for next year. Good idea, but no thanks Sumo.
The WA bias is a bit sick.Saying kids leave at 24, 25 and we re wrong in picking up Cerra and Brayshaw.. no wonder why no club has him coaching.
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He is just having a smack at us. Trading up, as you say is unrealistic, plus there are terrific local prospects at our existing picks, and they are list fits as well.
It’s worth noting as part of the discussion that Pavlich and Mundy are not locals.
Has any of the journos done any analysis of the risks/rewards involved in preferring locals? The implied compromises in the draft include reaching for players, ignoring positional needs, and undervaluing interstate talent. Sumich seems to be highlighting the go home factor as a concern and I would be interested to see that supported statistically. That includes the costs and rewards from go home trades. Sumich could use Judd as an example (it wouldn’t support his idea of preferring locals), but collating the stats and interpreting them would be interesting.
Yeh he throws out a comment like that with no real concept of how that is possible. Yes DGB looks like a talent and will probably become an exceptional player but the only way of getting say number 4 or 5 is to offer this first rounder & next year’s first rounder.
2 first rounders for a player which hasn’t played a game? I don’t think so! If DGB becomes a good player Sumich & his mates will sit back and say I told you so. If he turns out to be a bust or injury plagued you’ll never hear from them.
He’s not a smart cookie Sumich.
I heard DGB on the radio one evening and he sounded like a 26 year old football club captain not an 18 year old draftee. Very impressive.
There is literally no viable option aside from selling the farm to move up the draft order that we can get him or Logan.
The other thing these idiot commentators don’t realise is that the clubs in the top 4 don’t have any intention of trading their picks. North Melbourne have come out and said they will not trade pick 2/3 period.
Sydney are very much in DGB (have been for a long time - even to the point they they will prob pass on Logan if available), so very high probability that even if presented with the mother of all trade offers from Freo that they would just block it completely.
That won’t stop these same boffins in 2021 banging on about how “I told them so” when DGB debuts for Sydney and plays well.
The fact is Walls would well aware how talented Logan and Denver (and would have great pleasure in calling out there names) are but they are top 5 picks and we don’t have a top 5 pick. I’m also sure that we enquired with these clubs on how we could trade up.
I cringe everytime I hear Sumich speak as a bunch of stupid nonsense regularly comes out. It is like a tweedle dee boys club when you throw him into a conversation with Hardie and Hagdorn.
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I don’t know about stats but I can’t recall many draftees we ended up losing to the go home factor. Harley Balic, Ed Langdon and Lachie Weller come to mind but apart from that I’m not too sure who else? Those guys aren’t A graders anyway, although Langdon could be seriously good with better kicking skillls.
I’d be taking best available over home-grown and backing in our progress on and off field to retain more of them than we lose.
And Weller as go home is debatable. But while Neale wasn’t go home factor there would be an argument that if he was local he wouldn’t have moved.
I think clubs should have stats about this kind of thing. If it’s a significant negative for us, which is what Sumidiot is implying, then it should be demonstrable statistically. And a commentator of any standing should be able to make the same point. Instead what usually gets offered up is some sliding door “what ifs”. These kind of retrospective anecdotes exist across the board and are not useful.
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no not quite right - two late first rounders (being say 15 this year and 14 next) is a very good deal for a player of the calibre of Jamarre Ugle-Hagen...dont need any convincing the "untried" won't be a success barring sound psycho assessment prior and no injury. Tilthorpe too would be worth it. But Freo were never going down that path anyway.
Just how good is next years draft and what tall forwards are likely to have a showing at the top?
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Amen to that. He couldn't find his arse with a mirror on a stick
I think there is a recent article that indicates the return from 2 later picks (beyond pick 5 but certainly pick 15) doesn’t compare well to pick 1 or 2?
Next year’s draft apparently is looking awesome, especially for midfielders. Coming in behind them is an outstanding WA KPF prospect (van Rooyen). I hope we are playing the longer game with him in our sights. Definitely don’t want points deficits or dumb trades impacting next year.
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Yeh I could have stopped with that comment.
yes thats my thinking too...if we are confident of someones ability (kpf) a year or so out we should accomodate our picks toward that end. Not easy to make that call on a kpf though.
Nothing.
First Trade
Picks 12,32 to Melbourne picks 20,21,50
Second Trade
Pick 46 to West Coast for a future third
Third Trade
Pick 53 for 64 and North Melbourne future fourth
Fourth Trade
Pick 64 for Saints future fourth
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He's really something, isn't he?
He shouldn’t give up his day job.
Oh hang on - he’s shit at his day job.
Not a fan of him.
Rate next years better and less comprised.
Also, keep the main to 36 and if the lists reduced again it gives us more flexibility.
Getting extra picks will help with any NGA players in the second round plus I’m eyeing Collingwoods first round pick.
Pick 15(12) Nathan ODriscoll
B Walker went pick 24 and Therefore pick 32 would have been eaten up.
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yep it was easier back then. At times clubs were humble and things were simple. That pick 24 got us the legendary Nick Suban. Now days that pick 24 would push back to 30-35 due to NGA picks, Father son picks and compo picks.
Now days its an Epic fight to the death over a mid 4th round pick or Zac Dawson or both.
