List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread - Part 2

[Yeti]

Reckon we need at least 2 developing KPFs. Lobb and Taberner are both 27 and both injury prone.

Beats me. Seems like a great bloke but is even further behind in midfield and clearly isn't a forward.

We are obviously ****ed if Tabs gets injured but I think our treacle ball movement was the main reason we couldn't score this year. Having proper KPDs should allow us to take more risks.

Also we checked the stats. Fyfe's goal kicking is about league average. It is a bit robbing peter playing him forward but we do have an abundance of young mids we need to develop and Fyfe is getting old.

All that said, I'll flip a lid if our rookie pick isn't a genuine KPF.

Agree with most of this. Taberner is crucial this year and the biggest concern is his inability to get through a season, if the club has made good appointments in the S & C department we will be fine but I'm sceptical.

He is a great example of picking a hard working player and letting him develop, we definitely should be trying to get some in this rookie draft / next years draft OR if there is some high end talent they want in the top 5 go balls out and get the draft capital required to bring in the pick needed. We have brought in enough draft picks over the last 3-4 years, trade our 2021 1st rounder, 2021 2nd rounder and our 2022 1st rounder to get into the top 5 if there is a good enough player available.

When I say Fyfe isn't a good forward I should probably have used the term, he is not elite. He is an Elite A Grade midfielder. Yes, we have developing mids but if how does taking Fyfe out of the midfield make us better? They can develop at Peel and force the Senior side to pick them.

I just think it is silly, especially when the club is making statements about natural positions that people keep banging on about Fyfe playing CHF for us.

If we were not aiming for finals, play him wherever but we are supposed to be aiming for finals so he needs to be playing midfield full time.

 

[Bateman]

Quick question, apart from taking Banfield today in the rookie draft, do we have another pick?

 

[Lach72]

Quick question, apart from taking Banfield today in the rookie draft, do we have another pick?

Yes

 

[go_the_dockers]

I like the players we drafted, but I am a bit disappointed we have not added more class to our forward line. Hopefully we can draft a small forward as a rookie.

 

[WilloTree]

After today’s draft, I’m certain we’re planning for Fyfe to CHF on a near permanent basis from 2022 onwards.

Adding Chapman and O’Driscoll to our last five drafts pretty much secures our defence and midfield for the 2020s.

In five years time we’ll have the following aged between 23 and 30 in defence and midfield.

Logue - Pearce - Hughes
Chapman - Ryan - Young
O’Driscoll - Brayshaw - Cerra
Darcy - Serong - Tucker

Plus Cox, Aish, Acres, Walker, Valente

And only Pearce will be 30.

Sure, our forward line will be Sturt, Henry, Freddie, Switta, Western, Schultz - so let’s hope McDonald and/or Naughton get home sick!!

Hamling and Wilson in the reserves?

 

[WilloTree]

Reckon we need at least 2 developing KPFs. Lobb and Taberner are both 27 and both injury prone.

Swing and a miss...

 

[AstonSouffle]

So we're not going to take Alec Waterman?

But we've commited to Banfield, a player who's only sole contribution was blowing us all away by kicking multiple goals in a pre-season game due to our already low expectations and then he just plateaued?

 

[WilloTree]

Yes

1 more (RD), and room for a Cat B.

 

[Lach72]

I really wish we hadn't committed to Banfield

 

[Taylor]

Yeah, a bit of a fu**-up yesterday. The club knows they fell on to their sword with Chapman. I guess after Naughten they didn't want the press to jump on Bell and Wallsey. Got lucky with O'Droscoll still there which makes the draft look OK.

We didn't ride the bid for Western, which is a bit piss weak.

Again, we didn't draft a tall.

Like.... any tall.... at all....

I guess we learned nothing.

Heath Chapman not big enough to you?

 

[WilloTree]

Heath Chapman not big enough to you?

I don't want to come off as a dick-head, but can you please look at some of his games and then reply.

Do you know who he is?

 

[rgauci]

Yeah, a bit of a fu**-up yesterday. The club knows they fell on to their sword with Chapman. I guess after Naughten they didn't want the press to jump on Bell and Wallsey. Got lucky with O'Droscoll still there which makes the draft look OK.

We didn't ride the bid for Western, which is a bit piss weak.

Again, we didn't draft a tall.

Like.... any tall.... at all....

I guess we learned nothing.

quality melt....

Joel Western is a small forward / mid. Walters can transition back to full time forward. I think Hamling will transition to a key forward. Last year we took Henry and Frederick. Switta is finally not injured for the first time in ages. The forward line is not that bare.

 

[Bateman]

Still a couple of big boys available, including a guy named Rosman

 

[Lach72]

Still a couple of big boys available, including a guy named Rosman

Rosman got picked...I think by Melbourne

 

[Taylor]

I don't want to come off as a dick-head, but can you please look at some of his games and then reply.

Do you know who he is?

One of the best tall interceptors in the draft. Listed as key defender but will play as a midfielder.

 

[Bateman]

It is interesting to note the slightly greater emphasis that all clubs tended toward placing on locals. Eg. Adelaide went full on picking South Australians (Only Sam Berry was not from SA and it felt like they reached a little with respect to Pedlar), Brisbane and Sydney in the main avoided Victoriasn and placed a heavy emphasis of NGA (again some felt a little like conceded a bit much of on matching bids).

I think I have likened O'Driscoll to Dangerfield in style before on these boards, I think there are similarities in the way they play, size and athleticism etc. I am not sure the reason O'Driscoll is/was so lowly rated; I thought his games at a state league were very good; he played with an intensity and presence that belied the fact he was playing with seasoned bodies. When interviewed his attitude / demeanour comes across a little bit like David Warner (both the good and the bad bits) so I am wondering if that was a factor?

Watched his highlights this morning and he reminded me a little of Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

.

 

[Bateman]

Rosman got picked...I think by Melbourne

Bugger, must have missed that during the marathon telecast.

 

[WilloTree]

quality melt....

Joel Western is a small forward / mid. Walters can transition back to full time forward. I think Hamling will transition to a key forward. Last year we took Henry and Frederick. Switta is finally not injured for the first time in ages. The forward line is not that bare.

I guess that could happen.

Hamling is a big call though.

And Switkowski won't play 20 games, but I like your optimism.

 

[WilloTree]

One of the best tall interceptors in the draft. Listed as key defender but will play as a midfielder.

He's not a KPP. Watch him.

Pick no.14 - Heath Chapman

See who Freo selected with pick no.14 in the 2020 NAB AFL National Draft

www.fremantlefc.com.au

 

[Moo]

Again.... Let's talk about Freo trading heavily for players in exchange for early picks from 2000-2006.

2000 traded in Peter Bell. Not bad of a player for picks 6, 34 and Jess Sinclair

Jess Sinclair

Age

47

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.9

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

0.8

3star

. Peter Bell was a good player and a good leader but yeah..... Fair enough.

Traded in a 1st rounder to get Jeff farmer

Jeff Farmer

Age

48

Ht

175cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

6.0

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

1.6

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

0.6

3star

G

0.2

3star

in 2001. I won't deny he was good. Not as good as his best year at the demons in 2000 kicking 70 goals he did kick 55 in 2006. He frustrated me in just last 2 years being suspended for 10-12 games in 2007.

Trading picks 1, 20 and 36 for Luke McPharlin

Luke Mcpharlin

Age

44

Ht

192cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.4

3star

MG

167.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

4.2

1star

K

2.6

1star

HB

1.6

2star

M

1.6

2star

T

0.0

1star

and Trent croad in 2001. Already posted my thoughts on this.


Trading picks 3 and 19 for des headland

Des Headland

Age

44

Ht

186cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.9

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

in 2002. Looked good at Brisbane with Voss, Lappin and akermanis. Yeah that worked out well didn't it?

Traded picks 11, 27 and 43 for Josh Carr

Josh Carr

Age

45

Ht

179cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.8

3star

in 2004. A solid player but not worth a mid 1st, mid 2nd and mid 3rd.

Oh and finally trading pick 8 and Paul Medhurst for Chris Tarrant

Chris Tarrant

Age

45

Ht

193cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

3.2

1star

K

2.6

1star

HB

0.6

1star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.8

4star

in 2006.

And yet all we could muster from that 2000-07 period was an elim finals loss in 2003 and a preliminary final loss in 2006.

Had Freo made finals each year from 2003-07 I would say it's justifiable.

And some people have animosity towards Ross Lyon despite our finals success from 2012-15.

Yet for some strange reason, some people have no animosity towards Chris Connolly in that 2002-7 era.

We didn't constantly trade away our 1st round picks for players that often under the Ross Lyon era of 2012-19 didn't we?

I've got no animosity for Lyon ...Neesham and Lyon are the only 2 coaches we''ve had that I've felt were coaches.

Drum was an accountant/librarian, Harvey out of his depth and Connolly an Asst to an Asst coach.

JLo is 3rd on the list already.

 

[Taylor]

He's not a KPP. Watch him.

He fits the same profile as Logue to my eye.

It's possible that Freo end the era of the small forward with 193cm guys blanketing small guys and matching them for speed and agility.

There might be no such thing as a miss match down back where one of our back six gets caught out on the opposition key forward when all of them can match that player.

 

[Lach72]

He has long arms...gadget arms if you will

 

[Paracleet]

Melting because we haven't taken tall forward at the back end of the draft where 19 times out 20 they don't even make it as a player let alone materially impact your side.
Who cares if Tabs gets injured next year, they wouldn't be sending out a 19 year old key forward drafted pick 50 to replace him, it's a dumb thing to get angry about.

A developing forward or forward ruck will have to picked up at some point in the next year or two, we might even take one today*, but if we didn't rate this year's available crop as reasonable prospects of making it why would we pick them?

*We have 36 main, 4 existing rookies plus 1 cat b. We can take 2 cat A rookies today if we want.

 

[Moo]

He fits the same profile as Logue to my eye.

It's possible that Freo end the era of the small forward with 193cm guys blanketing small guys and matching them for speed and agility.

There might be no such thing as a miss match down back where one of our back six gets caught out on the opposition key forward when all of them can match that player.

Taylor you may be onto something.

West Coast's defence should be shit ...too slow ...McGovern, Hurn, Barrass in the same back 6.

Trouble is they are all bloody good footballers, know where the ball is going and just work as a unit.

Pearce plays on the big, Hamling can play on a tall or small ...Ryan, Chapman and Logue could really play on anything in between.

 

[WilloTree]

He fits the same profile as Logue to my eye.

It's possible that Freo end the era of the small forward with 193cm guys blanketing small guys and matching them for speed and agility.

Wait - you had a shot at me so you could make a point about Heath Chapman "not big enough", then you had another shot at me because he is "listed" as a key tall, now you say you haven't seen him play, but has a "profile like Logue"?

OK - either you've got your grumpy pants on or I'm reading this wrong.