List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread III

[LuvtheKangas]

Brown has kicked some absolute cracking roving goals.

He’s not Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

31

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

, but fu** me, he isn’t Mason Cox

18

Mason Cox

Age

34

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

either.

Agree, it's one of the reasons that I rate him so highly.

It will be interesting to see if he can get back to somewhere near his best for Melbourne. If he does (and I hope he does), he'll win them games.

 

[Heaps of fun]

How good was Drew Petrie

Drew Petrie

Age

43

Ht

197cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

1.2

2star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.0

1star

roaming up between the arcs. Gave us that get out mark so often. Need another forward like that.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Brown covers more ground than anyone in the league.

Must be running around the goal square a metric ****load.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Brown has kicked some absolute cracking roving goals.

He’s not Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

31

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

, but fu** me, he isn’t Mason Cox

18

Mason Cox

Age

34

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

either.

Indeed.

When fit he's actually pretty good at ground level for his height.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Brown has kicked some absolute cracking roving goals.

He’s not Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

31

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

, but fu** me, he isn’t Mason Cox

18

Mason Cox

Age

34

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

either.

This is the best one

 

[ChoppyGun]

How good was Drew Petrie

Drew Petrie

Age

43

Ht

197cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

1.2

2star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.0

1star

roaming up between the arcs. Gave us that get out mark so often. Need another forward like that.

Waite was great at that too imo

 

[wazza03]

Hope that we sign Young and Riordan in the next 2 days, both have good upside and are in the right age bracket


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[Heaps of fun]

Waite was great at that too imo

Yep, we haven't had that since Waitey retired.

 

[ChoppyGun]

No-one is down-playing Brown. You have an unreasonably low opinion of Cameron, and I can only assume you haven't watched him much.

Excuse me?

I haven't even mentioned Cameron once outside him being a sniper (he is).

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Brown covers more ground than anyone in the league.

Must be running around the goal square a metric fu**load.

You're both confusing aerobic ability and mobility. Cameron is better in traffic than Ben once the ball hits the ground.

 

[Souup]

Absolute rubbish indeed.

When we had Waite both would roam up and down the field as an outlet from defense.

His running capacity is better than Cameron's yet people now bizarrely claim he's just a stay at home FF off how used this season.

Either no idea or haven't watched him play. Or both.

That's the thing - he is objectively a better runner then Cameron but fact is Cameron has averaged 16, 15 and 16 disposals before 2020 and Brown averaged 12, 11 and 11 and over this same period Cameron averaged 2 more marks per game than Brown each of the 3 seasons over this same period.

Anyway feel free to continue suggestion I have no idea or don't watch us play.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Excuse me?

I haven't even mentioned Cameron once outside him being a sniper (he is).

Whatever, do you rate Cameron as a footballer or not? Who do you rate higher out of him and Brown, and why?

 

[ChoppyGun]

That's the thing - he is objectively a better runner then Cameron but fact is Cameron has averaged 16, 15 and 16 disposals before 2020 and Brown averaged 12, 11 and 11 and over this same period Cameron averaged 2 more marks per game than Brown each of the 3 seasons over this same period.

Anyway feel free to continue suggestion I have no idea or don't watch us play.

What does disposals have to do with running capability?

They both play different roles in vastly different teams.

 

[darko]

Cameron has had many very good games as the stay at home FF as well. Not so much the last couple of years due to the emergence of Himmelberg and playing Finlayson forward, but he is still serious quality.

Off course he is. I did say that is only marginally better.

What shits me is Daniher fetches pick 7. GWS want 2 first rounders for Cameron which they'll probably get from Geelong. Brown ... 2nd rounder, if lucky.

And I do realise Cameron/Brown contract situations are slightly different.

 

[darko]

Whatever, do you rate Cameron as a footballer or not? Who do you rate higher out of him and Brown, and why?

More goals. Better contested mark.

Marginally better than Cameron.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Whatever, do you rate Cameron as a footballer or not? Who do you rate higher out of him and Brown, and why?

I hate him but yes he can play for sure.

Both are very good at their best.

 

[New_Roo]

Odds on to kick 3+ goals against us next year and go kickless the week before and after.

Personally think all four of bmac, taz walks and corr would all keep him goalless


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[TennisPlayerAndy]

You're both confusing aerobic ability and mobility. Cameron is better in traffic than Ben once the ball hits the ground.

No, I’m rebuking the ‘Brown stays close to goal’ myth that seems to be popping up around here.

Cameron is undoubtably more agile.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Off course he is. I did say that is only marginally better.

I also said only marginally better, and rate both very highly.

What shits me is Daniher fetches pick 7. GWS want 2 first rounders for Cameron which they'll probably get from Geelong. Brown ... 2nd rounder, if lucky.

The Daniher pick shits us all, but has zero bearing on the Brown trade.

And I do realise Cameron/Brown contract situations are slightly different.

Yes. So it makes the discussion moot in one sense. But in another sense, it does tell us what is the AFL market's relative perception of the two players.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

No, I’m rebuking the ‘Brown stays close to goal’ myth that seems to be popping up around here.

Cameron is undoubtably more agile.

I think it's more labelling Ben a traditional hit up forward, which isn't really as stay-at-home as it might imply. We know that running capacity is a great strength of Ben's and it's how he's able to destroy defenders the longer the game goes. Shorter quarters this year robbed him of this key advantage.

 

[Souup]

What does disposals have to do with running capability?

They both play different roles in vastly different teams.

Because in the modern game it is extremely difficult to get touches inside forward 50m unless you mark it or are good at ground level? As a result it is easier to get touches outside your forward 50m.

I watch 4-5 games most weeks so I've seen plenty of Cameron.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

More goals. Better contested mark.

Marginally better than Cameron.

I hate him but yes he can play for sure.

Both are very good at their best.

Fair call x 2.

 

[New_Roo]

Hope that we sign Young and Riordan in the next 2 days, both have good upside and are in the right age bracket


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We can't sign riordan up can we? He is delisted? Young we can, do we have to trade for him now though?


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[One Eyed Roo]

What shits me is Daniher fetches pick 7. GWS want 2 first rounders for Cameron which they'll probably get from Geelong. Brown ... 2nd rounder, if lucky.

This statement is so wrong on so many levels. How the xxxx can that be rationalised. On performance goals consistency or any other rational assessment the three should all be within a reasonable stretch of each other. The media, the AFL, other clubs can all go and get xxxxed.

 

[darko]

We can't sign riordan up can we? He is delisted? Young we can, do we have to trade for him now though?


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Don't need to trade for Young.