2020 Trade & List Management discussion

[earlsta]

There's been countless examples of teams covering a player's wage when trading them. Pretty sure we even did it to get Deledio to GWS.

And it wouldn't be the first time a club has chosen to trade a free agent for a better deal. Have you forgotten about Dangerfield.

None of this is illegal?? Definitely not draft tampering.

Not when it comes to band compensation picks from the AFL, your theory is basically using the AFL’s band compensation pick and salary for Richmond’s & Adelaide’s benefit, it doesn’t work like that and never will.

 

[Thetrader15]

I understand where you are coming from.. just seems like a bit of a stretch to get it all done to be honest.. I just couldn’t see how the “crows pay part of Brad’s wage” bit could work. Especially given he is an OOC FA.. then, as a favour, you throw us a couple of your lads “on the cheap”..

Lots of winks and nods and under the table handshakes!.

Just sounds like something the AFL would flag straight away as potentially illegal draft and trade dealings..

Agree.

If we are going to pay part of his salary, what's the point of actually sending him out the door if it doesn't give pick 2? We may as well pay the whole salary and get the benefit of him playing for us!

 

[Thetrader15]

There's been countless examples of teams covering a player's wage when trading them. Pretty sure we even did it to get Deledio to GWS.

And it wouldn't be the first time a club has chosen to trade a free agent for a better deal. Have you forgotten about Dangerfield.

None of this is illegal?? Definitely not draft tampering.

Fore sure, but if you cover part of their wage, then that doesn't count towards the compo pick. Otherwise Richmond can pay him $500k and the Crows can then top him up with another $300k just to get pick 2.

At the end of the day, if we need to cover any salary next year, then there is no point in us letting him go, unless a team can offer close to pick 2

 

[Crow till I die]

Fore sure, but if you cover part of their wage, then that doesn't count towards the compo pick. Otherwise Richmond can pay him $500k and the Crows can then top him up with another $300k just to get pick 2.

At the end of the day, if we need to cover any salary next year, then there is no point in us letting him go, unless a team can offer close to pick 2

the practical way to get around that would be if we were desperate to get band 1 and really did not want to resign brad, then a Richmond might say ok we will offer that salary but we want a separate trade where you take a Townsend lets say as a salary dump - so it becomes 2 separate transactions to help Richmond with their salary whilst allowing them to pay enough for band 1 to us and we take on a player that might help us a bit in the short term

 

[Vader]

There's been countless examples of teams covering a player's wage when trading them. Pretty sure we even did it to get Deledio to GWS.

It can and does happen - but only when the player is still contracted. Other examples include Betts & Jenkins - both were traded by Adelaide last year, with Adelaide paying a significant part of their 2020 salaries at their new clubs.

It can't and doesn't happen when the player is out of contract. Brad Crouch is out of contract, and is an RFA. It is not possible for Adelaide to pay any part of his contract in 2021, if he's traded under these circumstances.

And it wouldn't be the first time a club has chosen to trade a free agent for a better deal. Have you forgotten about Dangerfield.

I'm still waiting to see how anything you're offering improves on pick #2, which is what we'd likely receive as FA compensation.

None of this is illegal?? Definitely not draft tampering.

It is illegal, because he's out of contract and thus Adelaide can't pay any part of his salary in 2021 if he's traded to Richmond.

 

[Bearded Clam]

the practical way to get around that would be if we were desperate to get band 1 and really did not want to resign brad, then a Richmond might say ok we will offer that salary but we want a separate trade where you take a Townsend lets say as a salary dump - so it becomes 2 separate transactions to help Richmond with their salary whilst allowing them to pay enough for band 1 to us and we take on a player that might help us a bit in the short term

But the AFL needs to sign off on these trades...

they’d have every right to start asking questions when there is players like Townsend etc getting contracts that just seem over the top..

the AFL are stupid yes.. but not THAT stupid..

 

[FantasticShirt]

No one is saying you're going to take our reserves instead of pick two.

Clearly if the offer for Crouch is high enough, you will and should take pick two. Where the scenario that's being thrown up works is if you don't get band one and the FA compo is pick 20.

Then, instead of taking pick 20 you say okay let's do a bit better and you take pick 14-19 from Richmond along with a couple of promising young players that can't crack a game for us. In return for giving you the young players for nothing, you pay a portion of Crouch's salary.

But let me repeat, none of this happens if you get band one compo (which is still likely).

Please read my post before you start trying to pick at it and poke fun at it for being clueless.

But you are clueless. What your suggesting cannot be done.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Teams cover part of the wage of an existing contract that's traded, that happens.

I'm not sure how you're proposing it would actually work with Brad Crouch?

It can’t. We can’t pay an uncontracted player a wage, and why would we want to anyway?

 

[FAITH]

anyone else think that article from Bicks (re crouch) is based on inside info being fed by AFC?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

anyone else think that article from Bicks (re crouch) is based on inside info being fed by AFC?

I think most media opinions are planted by clubs or agents.

 

[FAITH]

I think most media opinions are planted by clubs or agents.

So we can expect brad to stay at the club, or are they trying to drive up his value?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

So we can expect brad to stay at the club, or are they trying to drive up his value?

Nick Riewoldt comes out and says Crouch is only worth $500k or whatever. That's from St Kilda.

Bicks comes out and says Crows must re-sign Crouch - that's from the Crows (or Brad's agent .. who is Garry Winter, so same thing) to drive up offers from other clubs.

 

[FAITH]

Nick Riewoldt comes out and says Crouch is only worth $500k or whatever. That's from St Kilda.

Bicks comes out and says Crows must re-sign Crouch - that's from the Crows (or Brad's agent .. who is Garry Winter, so same thing) to drive up offers from other clubs.

I just can't see how he stays?

 

[Vader]

I just can't see how he stays?

Why not? The Crows are unlikely to force him out. If he wants to stay, then there's very little doubt that the club would be happy to offer him a new contract.

The whole pick #2 thing is predicated on Brouch wanting to leave. If he wants to stay, then that's all there is to it.

 

[FAITH]

Why not? The Crows are unlikely to force him out. If he wants to stay, then there's very little doubt that the club would be happy to offer him a new contract.

The whole pick #2 thing is predicated on Brouch wanting to leave. If he wants to stay, then that's all there is to it.

He's out of contract, if the club don't want to offer him a new contract he goes as a FA, we get pick 2.
Wherever he goes its at least $700k a year.

 

[Vader]

He's out of contract, if the club don't want to offer him a new contract he goes as a FA, we get pick 2.
Wherever he goes its at least $700k a year.

Why on earth wouldn't the club offer him a new contract? There's zero chance of that happening.

If he wants to go, then that's one thing. If he wants to stay, then he'll definitely be a Crow in 2021.

 

[FAITH]

Why on earth wouldn't the club offer him a new contract? There's zero chance of that happening.

If he wants to go, then that's one thing. If he wants to stay, then he'll definitely be a Crow in 2021.

Because they want pick 2?
Pick 2 > B.Crouch.

Am i missing something?

 

[Vader]

Because they want pick 2?
Pick 2 > B.Crouch.

Am i missing something?

Yep... the fact that they'd rather keep Brouch.

The whole pick #2 thing is predicated on the assumption that Brouch wants to leave. If that assumption is wrong, then all bets are off.

There is 0% chance of Brouch being traded if he doesn't leave as a FA. Similarly, there is 0% chance of Laird or Sloane being traded - no many how many monumentally stupid Playstation trades Kristof comes up with.

 

[Thetrader15]

the practical way to get around that would be if we were desperate to get band 1 and really did not want to resign brad, then a Richmond might say ok we will offer that salary but we want a separate trade where you take a Townsend lets say as a salary dump - so it becomes 2 separate transactions to help Richmond with their salary whilst allowing them to pay enough for band 1 to us and we take on a player that might help us a bit in the short term

Of course, we would have to remember not to write it down anywhere...

 

[FAITH]

Yep... the fact that they'd rather keep Brouch.

The whole pick #2 thing is predicated on the assumption that Brouch wants to leave. If that assumption is wrong, then all bets are off.

There is 0% chance of Brouch being traded if he doesn't leave as a FA. Similarly, there is 0% chance of Laird or Sloane being traded - no many how many monumentally stupid Playstation trades Kristof comes up with.

BCrouch has already said he is happy to leave if the club thinks its for the best.
I can guarnatee you that pick 2 in this draft > BCrouch, so i have no doubt the AFC would prefer BCrouch leaves if The AFL guarantee them pick 2 compo.

 

[Crow till I die]

BCrouch has already said he is happy to leave if the club thinks its for the best.
I can guarnatee you that pick 2 in this draft > BCrouch, so i have no doubt the AFC would prefer BCrouch leaves if The AFL guarantee them pick 2 compo.

How can you guarantee that?

 

[Vader]

BCrouch has already said he is happy to leave if the club thinks its for the best.
I can guarnatee you that pick 2 in this draft > BCrouch, so i have no doubt the AFC would prefer BCrouch leaves if The AFL guarantee them pick 2 compo.

Nicks has also said that he wants Brouch to stay. If Brouch wants to stay, then he'll be an Adelaide Crow in 2021 - there is no doubt about this whatsoever.

There are only 2 options here:

1. Brouch decides he wants to leave, exercising his rights as an RFA, and Adelaide receives pick #2.
2. Brouch re-signs at the AFC.

Right now, option #2 is looking like the red-hot favourite.

 

[Mego Red]

Yep... the fact that they'd rather keep Brouch.

The whole pick #2 thing is predicated on the assumption that Brouch wants to leave. If that assumption is wrong, then all bets are off.

There is 0% chance of Brouch being traded if he doesn't leave as a FA. Similarly, there is 0% chance of Laird or Sloane being traded - no many how many monumentally stupid Playstation trades Kristof comes up with.

Nice drive-by insult.

Why the **** would you be in a list management thread if you don't want to talk about possible trades, you complete flog?

And Brad Crouch has said that he wants to stay but would leave if it was the best thing for the club. Obviously we have told his management that we've identified the possible pick 2 as a key part of our rebuild. I'm sure we've given him certainty that, if he doesn't get offers that large, he still has the security of staying with us.

 

[Mego Red]

Yep... the fact that they'd rather keep Brouch.

The whole pick #2 thing is predicated on the assumption that Brouch wants to leave. If that assumption is wrong, then all bets are off.

There is 0% chance of Brouch being traded if he doesn't leave as a FA. Similarly, there is 0% chance of Laird or Sloane being traded - no many how many monumentally stupid Playstation trades Kristof comes up with.

The way you talk about it, clubs have never told players who wanted to stay that their management should look for opportunities elsewhere. We just let any player who wants to stay have a spot on the list.

 

[Vader]

Nice drive-by insult.

Why the fu** would you be in a list management thread if you don't want to talk about possible trades, you complete flog?

And Brad Crouch has said that he wants to stay but would leave if it was the best thing for the club. Obviously we have told his management that we've identified the possible pick 2 as a key part of our rebuild. I'm sure we've given him certainty that, if he doesn't get offers that large, he still has the security of staying with us.

I'm happy to discuss potential trades. It's just that you keep coming up with a never-ending stream of Playstation Trades which should have been consigned to the Recycle Bin, before you even think about hitting "Post reply".

Laird's not going anywhere, no matter how many bizarre & loony trades you manage to concoct.