List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread.....

[7577969923]

You reckon? We all get it, but would the casual whos weighing up whether to buy a membership?

By the time you have finished the draft and they realise we have just picked up 5 of the best 30 young players in the country they will forget all about.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

By the time you have finished the draft and they realise we have just picked up 5 of the best 30 young players in the country they will forget all about.

There is a lag though. I can still recall how little lots of people at the footy (in the members) thought of Cunners/Ziebell until they started putting results in board from '12 onwards.

 

[White Krakouer]

Lots of good points made and not dissimilar to discussions I have had with other good North Melbourne supporters.

However, I find myself replying; What would you do? What is the alternative? What if we do nothing?

The oft use cliché of 'club is bigger than any individual' is relevant here.

We must DO something. Another year where we cut a couple then persevere with the same mid-age, mid-experience, mediocre group will have us in an even deeper hole with even less trade currency than the little we have now.

We grow to love all players on our list. Ben, Maj, Higgo but the future of the club is on the line right here and now.

Also, re Pagan's comments. I love that. I'm actually enjoying the Caro Wilsons and Dwayne Russell's wallowing in our predicament. This is now backs to the wall stuff which will make succeeding all the more sweeter and pleasurable.

We need to trust. There IS no other way

For starters, I wouldn't be turfing quality players like Ben Brown, Polec & Higgins for speculative late first/early second round picks. What benefit does that do for our future?

I've watched this club blow basically every late first/early second round pick on duds like Ryan Bastinac, Aaron Black, Kieran Harper, Brad McKenzie, Taylor Garner, Mason Wood, Sam Durdin, Daniel Nielson, Gavin Urquhart, Matt Riggio, Chad Jones, Callum Urch etc. for the best part of 2 decades.

Just put aside the ego clashes and keep the experience - I don't want to run the club into the ground because we rolled the dice on the next Kieran Harper.

 

[Psicosis]

For starters, I wouldn't be turfing quality players like Ben Brown, Polec & Higgins for speculative late first/early second round picks. What benefit does that do for our future?

I've watched this club blow basically every late first/early second round pick on duds like Ryan Bastinac, Aaron Black, Kieran Harper, Brad McKenzie, Taylor Garner, Mason Wood, Sam Durdin, Daniel Nielson, Gavin Urquhart, Matt Riggio, Chad Jones, Callum Urch etc. for the best part of 2 decades.

Just keep the experience - I don't want to roll the dice on the next Kieran Harper.

Your post would probably have some merit if our current recruiting department selected any of the 12 players you mentioned.

 

[Star]

For starters, I wouldn't be turfing quality players like Ben Brown, Polec & Higgins for speculative late first/early second round picks. What benefit does that do for our future?

I've watched this club blow basically every late first/early second round pick on duds like Ryan Bastinac, Aaron Black, Kieran Harper, Brad McKenzie, Taylor Garner, Mason Wood, Sam Durdin, Daniel Nielson, Gavin Urquhart, Matt Riggio, Chad Jones, Callum Urch etc. for the best part of 2 decades.

Just put aside the ego clashes and keep the experience - I don't want to roll the dice on the next Kieran Harper.

Anyone can be critical

I didn't ask what you wouldn't do, I asked what you would.

 

[Shinboner1]

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[White Krakouer]

Anyone can be critical

I didn't ask what you wouldn't do, I asked what you would.

I told you? Make it work with Ben Brown & Polec - keep them on the list to help the young guys develop.

Second round picks are useless to North Melbourne.

 

[Marstermind]

there a bit going on and in terms of thread why not this one.

I have some major concerns with what we are doing.

Its not that I don't back the club, and its not going to affect me fronting up next year but there are things occurring that are not sitting totally right with me.

1) We are seemingly making some pretty deep cuts to senior players. I said earlier in this thread that there was a fine line with this stuff and that going all crazy Vossy on us could have some serious ramifications.

• 2 are gone from the leadership group, with a potential 3rd in Higgins, that is half the leadership group gone and I have the expectation that Jack has to step down in 2021. This is a massive change. It also doesn't account for rumours of another being Senior player being talked about in potential trades, or rumours about Cunners. Too deep of cuts to the senior players and we will wade into Melbourne territory.
• Our most marketable player, is seemingly collateral damage in a stand against player managers walking over us. 60 goals a year don't grow on trees. I get the need to get in front of a story and that relationships may have soured but Ben Brown has been one of our best players over the last 5 years and now we are seemingly selling in doom.

2) It looks to me that we are looking to cycle players through our list to play to the coaches "plan" a plan that was largely unidentifiable for swathes of this year. This is a huge concern to me. Not because we are turning over the list. That had to be done to enable change to happen, Change that we desperately need. However we just spent a decade with a coach trying to cycle through our list to get player that could play to his plan. It seems we are going all in on Shaw here. Which is scary. More coaches fail than succeed and very few coaches take bottoming clubs from the bottom to the top. I really don't want to get to mid 2022 have it be abundantly clear that whatever he was trying to do won't work and we have a list built around the idea of making it work. It is this sort of thing that ends up in Melbourne or Carlton type territory.

3) We are making some huge long lasting decisions on the back of a year where I believe we set ourselves up to fail.
Consider this choice:
We have a rookie coach we are trying to implement a new plan and are staring down the barrel of moving into a hub. We need to make cut to the coaches who do we take?

a) line coaches who have have more of a chance to help implement the new plan​

or​

b) Development coaches​

We took development coaches (some line coaches left disgruntled) and IMHO we were worse for it as we moved on some of the support for Shaw that was needed.

4) We are doing all this moving on of senior players in a year where the draft is more speculative than it has been since the early 90s. I expect us to nail our very early picks, but sh*t is going to get real speculative real fast.

Potential for ramifications as I see it:

After we won the centenary flag in 1996, Denis is quoted as saying (paraphrasing) that a lot of people don't like this club, don't want us around. In 2007 that manifested itself in a relocation push.

A lot of people at the club have feared going so all in on a complete rebuild because of this. It is incredibly important that we get this right. Make no mistake, weathering a storm of being in the wilderness like Melbourne or Carlton have would not be easy. There is not a lot to indicate that much has changed on our perception from the time Denis made that quote. You only need to look at how undervalued our players are in the media to see it.

Magnificent post. Deserves better than to be part of this quagmire thread of speculation, guesswork, overreaction and other miscellaneous nonsense.

I'm backing the club to get this right, but wince when I hear that "so-and-so doesn't fit Shaw's style". As it stands, Shaw's 'style' remains largely unidentifiable. We assume it's some sort of Roos/Sydney-like defensive possession game, but at no stage in 2020 did it jump out as clear, let alone effective. But we are putting the careers of good players on the line for a coach who's in the last year of his contract, and who attempt to develop a workable game plan this season failed miserably? It's a huge gamble. If we hit the end of June next year 0-14, a percentage of 60 and still scratching our head about how the team is trying to play, Shaw and his 'style' will be on it's way out and some other poor bastard will have to pick up the pieces of a crap list playing a style of football that doesn't work.

I would have thought a new coach would look at what he had and develop some sort of plan around that and then develop the plan as personnel changed. Shaw looks like he wants to wedge in his plan and toss out everyone who doesn't conform to it. Risky stuff.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Lol we're shit at the moment. Every club has been shit. That campaigner can go an get ****ed.

*in reference to that AFL site shit

 

[G0ther00s]

If this was the NBA we’d be getting everyone. Pretty much the motto around the NBA for players and media is “get your money while you can” and that’s accepted as fine, in the AFL there’s a lot more of an emphasis on success even if it’s sacrificing a lot of money. I guess it’s a good thing but for our current spot and the last few years it’s been a really bad thing.

 

[White Krakouer]

Your post would probably have some merit if our current recruiting department selected any of the 12 players you mentioned.

The odds are against you in the second round in general - our club has just made a bigger mess of it than most.

I wouldn't be trading guaranteed assets for picks outside the first round personally - no matter the club.

 

[Ether]

Firstly, that is a public broadcast. Second, what happens in hub life stays in hub life. Third, You don’t demand players be thanked by the club for their volunteer work and you dont make the club look sh*t taking pot shots because they delisted players, lastly, you dont stick your nose into others business. I’ll leave it there. Theres more to this, thats just the surface

Did I listen to the same podcast as you? Saying they feel for delisted players is not the same as having a pot shot at the club. Saying she appreciates players who've done a lot at the Hub is not the same as demanding the club thanks them and saying you're glad to come home from the hub so you can live your normal life is just obvious. There's nothing to see here. Move along.

 

[Psicosis]

The odds are against you in the second round in general - our club has just made a bigger meal of it than most.

I wouldn't be trading guaranteed assets for picks outside the first round personally - no matter the club.

Well thankfully for our rebuild strategy, you aren't making those calls.

Brady has made it clear he wants to hit this draft & the next hard, and that will likely come in the form of additional first, second and third round picks.

 

[Marstermind]

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We've won 1 game of the last 14. Pretty crap.

But in a period between 1928-1932 we won 2 of 59. Then in period between 1933 and 1936 we won 1 of 44. That's pretty rock-bottom. But yeah, Damo, just keep doing your thing.

 

[krakouers]

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You mean... thank you Damo... you pile of excrement

PS, if you do read this, Never Support us again!
We will see you at the other side with the Premiership Cup!

 

[Passmore]

I agree with some much of what you say but in reality what choice did we have. We shouldn't be keeping rubbish players around because they are leadership group. It is time for the next generation of leadership to step up and that is guys like LMac, Jed, and Jye?

The question needs to be asked why on earth were they in the leadership group? These bullshit leadership groups need to be reduced and not be left to a player vote.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

So Snake's back...

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

So Snake's back...

Turn the lights off and hide below the windows. He might not realise anyone's home.

 

[kool kangas]

Would Adelaide do a swap with trades of course of Ben Brown for Brad Crouch as a replacement for Walker if he is no longer there...

 

[Passmore]

Magnificent post. Deserves better than to be part of this quagmire thread of speculation, guesswork, overreaction and other miscellaneous nonsense.

I'm backing the club to get this right, but wince when I hear that "so-and-so doesn't fit Shaw's style". As it stands, Shaw's 'style' remains largely unidentifiable. We assume it's some sort of Roos/Sydney-like defensive possession game, but at no stage in 2020 did it jump out as clear, let alone effective. But we are putting the careers of good players on the line for a coach who's in the last year of his contract, and who attempt to develop a workable game plan this season failed miserably? It's a huge gamble. If we hit the end of June next year 0-14, a percentage of 60 and still scratching our head about how the team is trying to play, Shaw and his 'style' will be on it's way out and some other poor bastard will have to pick up the pieces of a crap list playing a style of football that doesn't work.

I would have thought a new coach would look at what he had and develop some sort of plan around that and then develop the plan as personnel changed. Shaw looks like he wants to wedge in his plan and toss out everyone who doesn't conform to it. Risky stuff.

We don't know if that is fact or just speculatiuon.

 

[The Anvil]

You reckon? We all get it, but would the casual whos weighing up whether to buy a membership?

Yep, membership banner with LDU, Thomas, Simpkin, Larkey, Zurhaar, Scott, (Logan McDonald, Will Philips, and two more 1st rounders).

Real hope at building for a flag with exciting young players (whether the hope is real or will be justified is another thing but I suspect casuals will like it).

 

[The Anvil]

We don't know if that is fact or just speculatiuon.

I think it's garbage, Brown is a proven goal kicker who could prove valuable under any game plan.

The Roos are setting themselves for a flag tilt in 2023 and beyond so getting value for Brown now is more valuable than playing Brown. I'm suggesting it is as simple as that.

 

[White Krakouer]

Well thankfully for our rebuild strategy, you aren't making those calls.

Brady has made it clear he wants to hit this draft & the next hard, and that will likely come in the form of additional first, second and third round picks.

Did you smugly dismiss fans that questioned the merit of using Pick 16 on Durdin & Pick 25 on Nielson back in 2014 as well?

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[GS WARRIORS]

Peanut mentioned the NBA. The Knicks are poorly run and had a bunch of cap space. Instead of having bad contracts traded to them along with the draft picks of teams who need cap space, they simply filled up their space with sh*t players.

We’re not signing a superstar. Our space is leverage to extract picks.

Yes, and they traded KP and draft picks to get the cap space only months earlier and when KD didn't come they again filled up their space with sh*t players.

 

[GreatBradScott]

Yep, membership banner with LDU, Thomas, Simpkin, Larkey, Zurhaar, Scott, (Logan McDonald, Will Philips, and two more 1st rounders).

Real hope at building for a flag with exciting young players (whether the hope is real or will be justified is another thing but I suspect casuals will like it).

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