List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

Delisted;
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Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

- Link
6. Sebastian Ross

6

Sebastian Ross

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.3

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

12.6

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

2.1

4star

D

15.2

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.8

5star

(RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
15. Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

(RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder

18

Patrick Ryder

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

19.3

5star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

21.8

5star

D

4.4

1star

K

3.2

2star

HB

1.2

2star

HO

3.0

5star

- Link
24. James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
38. Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link
42. Max Heath

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

- Link
45. Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


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[Joffaboy]

How many all Australian mids do we have?

Correct, some carry on like we are Richmond and can discard the likes of Merrett out of hand [emoji849].

Anyone has the right to make their opinion known on here without being told to stop talking about a player.
FWIW I don't think Merrett is great, but coupled with Steele, Crouch, Jones, Hanners, Clark, Gresh, Ross etc, he could be the one that makes the midfield group great.
The arrogance of some on here is curious.

 

[aussierulesrules]

How many all Australian mids do we have?

Two.

 

[BrutThough]

Correct, some carry on like we are Richmond and can discard the likes of Merrett out of hand [emoji849].

Anyone has the right to make their opinion known on here without being told to stop talking about a player.
FWIW I don't think Merrett is great, but coupled with Steele, Crouch, Jones, Hanners, Clark, Gresh, Ross etc, he could be the one that makes the midfield group great.
The arrogance of some on here is curious.

I think it's worth actually seeing that midfield group play together before it's determined that Merrett is the next midfield savour.

 

[gringo2011]

Please Gringo stop .... comparing Merrett to Neale and Danger ...... please just stop!!

Neale is a bit more inside than Merrett but Merrett is a top 20 player in the AFL still, he's not as high profile but he's the kind of player that you don't get access to often. We'd have to be insane to not chase him or Kelly.

 

[gringo2011]

I think it's worth actually seeing that midfield group play together before it's determined that Merrett is the next midfield savour.

Richmond won a premiership and still chased Lynch. You need to keep improving. The Hawks won premierships and used their profile to chase existing top talent.

 

[Ricmel]

I would love Kelly. That's the dream.

Not sure if Bing will move with the cash on offer at the Suns. If they have a half decent year he could stick around to be part of that group as the push for finals for the first time.

Exactly right.

I know a few kids close to Bing and they say he is happy and excited to be part of the young guns they are building up there. Wants to see it through. I think it is unlikely he will be at Saints in next 3 years but a possible some time after that.

Kelly I think has to be the target next year. Like Bing a local bayside boy and pretty well precisely the type we need to complete our midfield - fast, classy, outside finisher.

 

[AFLOnline]

How the **** do Carlton have 67k members?

 

[BrutThough]

Richmond won a premiership and still chased Lynch. You need to keep improving. The Hawks won premierships and used their profile to chase existing top talent.

They did. Lynch fulfilled a big need Richmond had up forward and Hawthorn did a good job attracting good players to replace their ageing stars.

Saying Merrett could be the difference between a premiership or not seems like a big overstatement before we have seen what impact our latest additions to our midfield have made.

We have made a lot of additions to our midfield over the past 2 seasons and I think we need to move beyond the mindset that we need to do or pay anything to get another top midfielder in there. We also need to keep improving the entire list - not just the midfield.

 

[Joffaboy]

How the fu** do Carlton have 67k members?

they have won 16 flags. HTF do we have 50k?

 

[George]

they have won 16 flags. HTF do we have 50k?

Character.

 

[Joffaboy]

Correct, some carry on like we are Richmond and can discard the likes of Merrett out of hand [emoji849].

Anyone has the right to make their opinion known on here without being told to stop talking about a player.
FWIW I don't think Merrett is great, but coupled with Steele, Crouch, Jones, Hanners, Clark, Gresh, Ross etc, he could be the one that makes the midfield group great.
The arrogance of some on here is curious.

I think it's worth actually seeing that midfield group play together before it's determined that Merrett is the next midfield savour.

You do see how these two quotes do co-relate?

And I do agree we need to look at the midfield group this year. Imagine going deep into the finals this year and then getting better by recruiting a Merrett or Taranto?

As gringo said, the Premiers went off and got Lynch, result, another premiership.

 

[Joffaboy]

Character.

Therefore Carlton supporters have more character as they got used to success, haven't had any in 25 years but have 20k more members than us?

 

[George]

Therefore Carlton supporters have more character as they got used to success, haven't had any in 25 years but have 20k more members than us?

No they are spoilt campaigners. More character supporting a club that rorts the cap and buys all their flags perhaps.

 

[L_W_P]

How the fu** do Carlton have 67k members?

Lots of people got dogs/cats as companions during lock down...

 

[Crusty Undies]

They did. Lynch fulfilled a big need Richmond had up forward and Hawthorn did a good job attracting good players to replace their ageing stars.

Saying Merrett could be the difference between a premiership or not seems like a big overstatement before we have seen what impact our latest additions to our midfield have made.

We have made a lot of additions to our midfield over the past 2 seasons and I think we need to move beyond the mindset that we need to do or pay anything to get another top midfielder in there. We also need to keep improving the entire list - not just the midfield.

You're ignoring that Merrett would probably step in as the best or 2nd best midfielder we have by the numbers. Adding him to any team would improve them. It's ridiculous to assert that we need to see what our current midfield can do before we'll know whether Merrett can improve it because unless every mid we have is capable of producing like Merrett can, he will comfortably displace someone.

 

[Significant]

You're ignoring that Merrett would probably step in as the best or 2nd best midfielder we have by the numbers. Adding him to any team would improve them. It's ridiculous to assert that we need to see what our current midfield can do before we'll know whether Merrett can improve it because unless every mid we have is capable of producing like Merrett can, he will comfortably displace someone.

My issue is chasing Merrett at the expense of others.
Brut has a good point - just because he would make our side better based on the numbers means stuff all if its at the expense of a Kelly, who I would see as being absolutely complementary to our side, providing a skillset that very few on our team have (outside of Hill and Billings - pun intended!)

 

[Saintbloke]

The thing I notice about successful teams- premiership teams, is the ability to extract the ball from the centre bounces, and then be able to balance and deliver the ball to forwards with quality disposal, and we just don't seem to be able to do that consistently- our method is to get the ball, kick it blindly across the body to somewhere in a forward direction, or get it out to a receiver who just bombs it forward. We need to address that if want to go the next step, and quality mids should always be on the shopping list.

 

[BrutThough]

You do see how these two quotes do co-relate?

And I do agree we need to look at the midfield group this year. Imagine going deep into the finals this year and then getting better by recruiting a Merrett or Taranto?

As gringo said, the Premiers went off and got Lynch, result, another premiership.

There has been multiple people throughout this Merrett discussion mention him as possibly the missing piece to becoming a premiership side. The 'savour' comment was referring to that. One player isn't going to be the difference and as soon as one player is given that complex, then people are getting carried away.

I agree that we need to keep improving our list. I just disagree that Merrett or Kelly are the players to do that. The need to replace Ryder and Carlisle is fairly imminent and that should be a higher priority then the midfield next off season. I also think that if we do bring in another midfielder, they need to be someone younger - like a Taranto - rather than another 26-27 year old.

 

[Significant]

There has been multiple people throughout this Merrett discussion mention him as possibly the missing piece to becoming a premiership side. The 'savour' comment was referring to that. One player isn't going to be the difference and as soon as one player is given that complex, then people are getting carried away.

I agree that we need to keep improving our list. I just disagree that Merrett or Kelly are the players to do that. The need to replace Ryder and Carlisle is fairly imminent and that should be a higher priority then the midfield next off season. I also think that if we do bring in another midfielder, they need to be someone younger - like a Taranto - rather than another 26-27 year old.

Taranto is already coming - do you people not listen to me?

 

[sammm]

How the fu** do Carlton have 67k members?

nothing else they can do with their money. no overseas trips.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

How the fu** do Carlton have 67k members?

The Gentle Art Of Persuasion?

 

[L_W_P]

The thing I notice about successful teams- premiership teams, is the ability to extract the ball from the centre bounces, and then be able to balance and deliver the ball to forwards with quality disposal, and we just don't seem to be able to do that consistently- our method is to get the ball, kick it blindly across the body to somewhere in a forward direction, or get it out to a receiver who just bombs it forward. We need to address that if want to go the next step, and quality mids should always be on the shopping list.

If you look at Richmond though (and let's be honest they are absolutely the bench mark) then it's not that clear cut.


In 2020 St Kilda ave 41.3 I50 a game. We took 9.2 marks I50 on average.
In 2020 Richmond ave 47 I50 a game. They took 9.6 marks I50 on average.

So 6 extra I50 a game for, on average, not even 1 more mark.

We ave 9.8 goals per game. Richmond ave 9.6

Across the board we measure up very, very well with the top teams right now.

 

[Joffaboy]

The thing I notice about successful teams- premiership teams, is the ability to extract the ball from the centre bounces, and then be able to balance and deliver the ball to forwards with quality disposal, and we just don't seem to be able to do that consistently- our method is to get the ball, kick it blindly across the body to somewhere in a forward direction, or get it out to a receiver who just bombs it forward. We need to address that if want to go the next step, and quality mids should always be on the shopping list.

This is true and much of it over the past seasons have been the fact that our midfield just didn't have the cattle. When we did win it out of the centre the opposition mids would use their defensive skills to impede our disposal coming out of the centre. they could also easily target our one or two quality mids usually Jack Steele or Jack Steven.

Now we have an AA Steele, Hanners, Jones, Crouch, Gres, Clarke, Ross, and Bytel and Byrnes (both big potential yet to show it) and the pressure on the mids is lessened because of the depth.

And one of the bonuses of a Max King with the likes of Butler, Higgins and Lonie at his feet is that the ball coming in doesn't have to be pin point. Max, as he get older will very rarely get outmarked, he will mark it or bring it to ground.

So while our disposal hopefully improves going into the 50, ironically it may not matter as much as it normally would.

 

[prophetic1]

How the fu** do Carlton have 67k members?

They're
conscientious

breeders!!

 

[pebblesofsand]

Anybody who watched any of the games last year (and especially the SF against Richmond) knows that our first priority should be a tall midfield player - and there's an UFA from Melbourne who fits the bill perfectly.