List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

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Continued in Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[bird_man]

Luke Parker

26

Luke Parker

Age

33

Ht

183cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.2

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

D

22.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

9.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.5

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

8.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

is almost 29

We shouldn't be looking at spending big money on aging players.

 

[stavro#4]

Well there is if the player is elite and would help lift us to challenge for a flag tilt over the next couple of years.

Geelong already had one of the best midfields and added Higgins & Smith.

I'm not sold on Parker either, but I wouldn't rule him out just because he's 28.

If we moved on Ross, Dunstan, Carlisle, Geary, Frawley McKernan, Roberton but brought in a 29 year old Parker I don't think our age profile would be bent out of shape… Hannebery and Ryder to finish up next year.

Don’t even worry about the age profile.
Parker would be 30 in year 1 of this hypothetical deal.

your on the hook for 700k potentially a year and he is at the age where he has a higher chance of breaking down.

he doesn’t make us a contender and if he hypothetically does. He doesn’t make us a contender for the entirety of the deal. It just doesn’t make sense.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Luke Parker is almost 29

We shouldn't be looking at spending big money on aging players.

Also , if we lose any players to free agency, he can potentially cost our compensation.

 

[bird_man]

What’s your better idea for giving us a premiership winning midfield anytime soon?

And who are you referring to there?

Hannebery has just one more year on what was presumably a front-ended deal, that has reportedly been voluntarily reduced, while Parker is showing no signs of being “washed up”.

So only one guy sort of fits into your description there and he’s most likely going to be gone and off our books in 12 months.

Who else fits that description in our midfield?

I'd like to see us put more effort into developing midfielders. I'm not sure bringing in a aging mid is the answer.

Play Hunter Clark in the midfield where he has shown he can be a quality player.

Bytel has all the tools to become a gun if he can find more footy.

The top 10 of this year's draft is full of promising mids.

Bringing Parker in for the twilight of his career would push these guys back in the pecking order.

 

[Goddardwetrust]

I think we also need to realise that teams like Collingwood and North are likely to make enormous offers to Bing next year. Tom Boyd-like offers.

North will probably offer him at least $8 mil over 8 years, which will give him plenty to think about, while Collingwood will likely need him much more than we will (if Max and Sharman The Great continue on as they left off).

Times have changed dramatically, I would be amazed if he ends up in our colours, unfortunately for supporters, money talks, I think that his family would be just as happy Bing plays in Victoria.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Don’t even worry about the age profile.
Parker would be 30 in year 1 of this hypothetical deal.

your on the hook for 700k potentially a year and he is at the age where he has a higher chance of breaking down.

he doesn’t make us a contender and if he hypothetically does. He doesn’t make us a contender for the entirety of the deal. It just doesn’t make sense.

interesting use of mathematrix.. he's 28 right now

 

[Grav]

We look an outside mid down to me. We have a lot of guys who play in close but not much on the outside. Especially with Hill down back and potentially losing Billings.

Think in his draft year Byrnes was touted as an outside mid, needs a bit more experience with hopefully Zac Jones taking him under his wing.

 

[Pardon me]

Times have changed dramatically, I would be amazed if he ends up in our colours, unfortunately for supporters, money talks, I think that his family would be just as happy Bing plays in Victoria.

Depends mate - normally I'd agree. He does have the whole "brothers playing for childhood club" angle though. If the Saints can set the lads up with some significant pathways, contacts and advice post playing career I reckon hes a shoe in to play with Max.

 

[stavro#4]

interesting use of mathematrix.. he's 28 right now

He is 29 in October.

You will be signing a player turning 30 in his first season at the club.

not sure what is incorrect by that?

 

[kernelT]

Don’t even worry about the age profile.
Parker would be 30 in year 1 of this hypothetical deal.

your on the hook for 700k potentially a year and he is at the age where he has a higher chance of breaking down.

he doesn’t make us a contender and if he hypothetically does. He doesn’t make us a contender for the entirety of the deal. It just doesn’t make sense.

Not sure why he wouldn't help us to be a contender, he's the best midfielder in a side that just finished 6th… would slot straight in as our 2nd best mid and kicks goals.

If we could front end a shit load to next year after shedding a few family favourites, then we could potentially have someone like Parker on 400-500 for the 3 remaining years.

I don't think we'll do it or necessarily should but I wouldn't totally rule it out either.

 

[luca77]

Depends mate - normally I'd agree. He does have the whole "brothers playing for childhood club" angle though. If the Saints can set the lads up with some significant pathways, contacts and advice post playing career I reckon hes a shoe in to play with Max.

Yeah, twins are a special case I think. They could be sick of each other and happy apart. They could be apathetic about it all. Or they could have already decided they're going to play together in the AFL someday.
If it's the last case, it'll happen. How soon is the only question. End of this contract? End of the next? Only Ben and his family would know.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

He is 29 in October.

You will be signing a player turning 30 in his first season at the club.

not sure what is incorrect by that?

lol, much defensive. He will have finished the season by the time he turns 30 is all. I can see why you and plugger fall into bickering holes

 

[luca77]

I have to confess, I don't watch a lot of Freo games. Maybe they tend to be on Sundays when I'm with my kids or maybe they just don't interest me.
Anyway, not having seen a lot of Cerra myself. How good is he?
From what I've seen, he looks classy. But is he another Billings type, who'll look good but not deliver a hell of a lot? Or is he really likely to become one of the guns of the comp with a solid output? 76 games in, 23 possessions, 5 i50s a game. It looks a bit Billingsish form a stats perspective.
(Not saying he plays the same role as Billings, but a lot of us have clearly been frustrated at him not becoming the player we hoped for)

 

[aussierulesrules]

In 4 years time when King is hitting 24-25, our current midfield types will all be hitting 30.

Yeah that’s why we need to start contending ASAP. We don’t have 4 years to wait until Max is 24/25yo!

Steele will be 26yo next year. Jones and Billings 27, Crouch 28, Ross and Hill 29yo.

These guys are in their prime years right now. Right now. As are Marshall, Howard, Gresham, Membrey, Sinclair, Wilkie and Butler. All 25yo or older next year. A big-assed chunk of our team.

And if his end to this season is anything to go by, Max is going to be ready to rip the comp a new one by as soon as next season, so our time to look to start contending is right now.

We have far too many guys in their prime years now to wait around for 4-5 years, especially when Max was already killing it by the end of this season.

We need to start bringing through some younger mids, not committing long term to even older ones.

And the thing about getting Parker is that he wouldn’t cost us any picks, so if we get him we’ve still got our valuable first rounder to grab a young mid, as I said earlier.

So grabbing Parker doesn’t stop us doing that.

It allows us to get the best of both worlds. A guy we can plug in immediately, who’s A-grade and helps us potentially contend immediately, and the fact he doesn’t cost us any picks leaves us with our first rounder, to grab the best available kid in the draft.

Given that getting Parker wouldn’t stop us grabbing one or more of these young kids in the draft implies that you are suggesting we trade for one or more of them, but who?

Which young gun mids are up for grabs that won’t cost us that first pick, or that won’t cost us the picks we’ve presumably got tucked away in case Bing nominates us next year?

Unless you’ve got a magic wand on you, I’m not seeing too many of them floating around!

 

[LongParker]

Any Truth to Elliot Yeo

6

Elliot Yeo

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.5

5star

CL

3.0

4star

D

18.9

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

5.8

5star

CL

5.5

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.6

3star

CL

1.4

4star

wanting out of West Coast?

 

[ScrappyDo]

This is a guy you could get without giving up any picks... So it's tempting

Actually he'll likely cost us the compo from our own FA's.
I'm ok with it though. All the talk about what we might get for Ross and Dunny and I'd swap it in a heartbeat for Parker and Chol.

 

[CaptainRisky]

the other one I’ve heard is Rhylee West. That could be to any of a few clubs though.

God i sure hope not , his two games this year have netted 9 disposals

 

[aussierulesrules]

I think its very easy to trot out the leadership line , Why do you say its so bad , No not a hunch , Proof
The leadership was fine when we beat Sydney and the Lions , so when we lose its all because of leadership is it ,,, Bull

Um, how about all the games we capitulated in this year? That’s the sort of thing that happens when you don’t have enough leadership in the team.

They’re the guys who steady the ship when it’s all going to crap in a game.

It’s not so much of an issue when things are going smoothly in a game but it’s definitely something you need plenty of if you want to win a premiership.

 

[Gavinmitchell11]

Doesn’t he want 700x4?

Also 30 in his first year of any deal for a battle hardened veteran.

i ******* hope not.

He’s 28 now turning 29 soon in October so I’d say you’re getting 2 years at near his best still and then the back end on a bit of a decline. I’d like them to do it because it’s not going to cost picks or players. He’s also a pretty crafty forward, good mark for size so he can transition into a forward if/when physical decline occurs.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I like this one. Been really good in the VFL. 30+ most games. Would be cheap as well. Think his old man even wants him out of the dogs

Plenty of blokes can get it 30 times in the VFL , they step up to AFL and are crap , He is one of them

 

[Tommy Wigs]

In 4 years time when King is hitting 24-25, our current midfield types will all be hitting 30. We need to start bringing through some younger mids, not committing long term to even older ones.

Completely agree.

 

[Joffaboy]

Trigger years seem to be the go nowdays. Would this make a difference to Parker coming on board. 3 and a trigger for a fourth? If his body falles over it is only three years. A bit of insurance.

For the concern that we will have an 'aging' midfield when Max is in his prime in 3 years time. This doe not take into account who will develop, and who we trade for in that period. The team is not static. Go back and have a look at highlights from the 2018 team and see how many have moved on.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Um, how about all the games we capitulated in this year? That’s the sort of thing that happens when you don’t have enough leadership in the team.

They’re the guys who steady the ship when it’s all going to crap in a game.

It’s not so much of an issue when things are going smoothly in a game but it’s definitely something you need plenty of if you want to win a premiership.

Its more than just leadership that causes a loss , if leadership was the sole cause of how a team played some teams should never be beaten
Lets just say we have different ideas on this and we move on , Im not one to go back and forth all day , we see that enough on here

 

[Freo5]

Any Truth to Elliot Yeo wanting out of West Coast?

If so it’s a big yes from me

 

[Sully111]

I wouldn't say no to Parker on the right deal.

After reading ScrappyDo's post yesterday though ... the whole extra mid solution might be right under our noses. With Paton coming back and Webster playing well, we could move Sincs there. He might tear it up given his much improved form.