List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[St Significant]

From AFL site...

Chol qualifies as a free agent having previously been delisted by the Tigers and re-rookied at the end of 2018. Should he move, the Tigers would receive a free agency compensation pick dependent on the size of his new deal.

Sign him up! Perfect partner for Marshall & can learn so much from an experienced Ryder

 

[Sainterz12]

If we get Chol I won’t be happy.
We showed this year that we are at our best with a dominant tap ruckman. Chol is like Marshall who is a forward who can ruck.

We need someone who can do the majority of the rucking with Marshall coming in against the second stringer. Since Ryder is staying on this isn’t the year to look for one as no one is going to be happy chilling in the wings for a year. Get a 12 month stop gap in case of breaks/injury and look for a true ruck next season.

 

[Bill Mohr]

How will a new recruit play well enough to get ahead of Ryder and Marshall?

Get as many possessions as he can, the same as any other player in the magoos. You keep playing well then you get picked.
So is Paddy going to play 22 games is he? Marshall was playing injured this year apparently. Hunter and McKernan played 11 games this year due to those injuries.

 

[Chef Ratts]

Sign him up!!

Obviously it's only one contest but big boy made to look pretty average there

 

[Bill Mohr]

If we get Chol I won’t be happy.
We showed this year that we are at our best with a dominant tap ruckman. Chol is like Marshall who is a forward who can ruck.

We need someone who can do the majority of the rucking with Marshall coming in against the second stringer. Since Ryder is staying on this isn’t the year to look for one as no one is going to be happy chilling in the wings for a year. Get a 12 month stop gap in case of breaks/injury and look for a true ruck next season.

Havent we learnt our lesson about stop gap ruckmen?

 

[Senor Ding Dong]

yeah 10 games is probably not enough for Paddy, but maybe more like 14? This is exactly what GWS did with Mumford
This would still leave 8 senior games. But 100% agree that more games Ryder plays, the more we win

 

[JediSaint]

Yep, but if a player has a choice between being a back up or going to a club where he's a genuine chance to be the first choice ruck they will more than likely choose the latter you would think.

Preuss is the exception here and that didn't go well for him.

Left field -
Recruit Chol as back up Ruck - but also see how he goes as KPD?
He has the build, athleticism, can play one on one and would make a great intercept mark, link up kick player.
Just a thought!

 

[Bill Mohr]

yeah 10 games is probably not enough for Paddy, but maybe more like 14? This is exactly what GWS did with Mumford
This would still leave 8 senior games. But 100% agree that more games Ryder plays, the more we winView attachment 1229347

I think Ryder is carrying an injury though , where Mumford has just got wear and tear. I would presume Paddy has a bit of wear and tear as well at 33 years of age. So he has a double whammy.

 

[OxSaint]

Has Ryder re-signed? Could we be open to picking up a ready made ruckmen we like and moving ryder into retirement?

 

[Diehard Saint]

Why haven't we re-signed Heath yet?

Don’t need to. We signed him for 18 months originally.

 

[Bill Mohr]

Has Ryder re-signed? Could we be open to picking up a ready made ruckmen we like and moving ryder into retirement?

He has a 1yr contract I think. Bit early to get rid of him yet though, still rucks pretty well when he is out there.

 

[Minga]

Parker has resigned for 4 years at Sydney. Good to put that to rest.

 

[St Kilda Death]

If we get Chol I won’t be happy.
We showed this year that we are at our best with a dominant tap ruckman. Chol is like Marshall who is a forward who can ruck.

We need someone who can do the majority of the rucking with Marshall coming in against the second stringer. Since Ryder is staying on this isn’t the year to look for one as no one is going to be happy chilling in the wings for a year. Get a 12 month stop gap in case of breaks/injury and look for a true ruck next season.

We can’t rely on finding a ruck as good as Ryder.
Improve the midfield and there is nothing wrong with Marshall as ruck.

cats and dogs both in prelims without a good ruckman.

 

[bergholt]

Get as many possessions as he can, the same as any other player in the magoos. You keep playing well then you get picked.
So is Paddy going to play 22 games is he? Marshall was playing injured this year apparently. Hunter and McKernan played 11 games this year due to those injuries.

Yeah, so if he plays when they're injured then he's third in line. But you said he should play well enough to be second in line.

 

[Premium]

I am all for letting Seb and dunny walk and dipping into the following names or draft to replace them;

Dawson - then we can stop trying to manufacture a tall wingman.
Parker
Wallis
Hewitt
Lipinski
Narkle
Dow

Dawson / if he doesn't resign with Swans he will go to Sth Australia
Parker / gone
Wallis /
Hewitt / Carlton
Lipinski / Pies
Narkle / Tigers
Dow /

Our free agents not declaring early effects any negotiations with any player we may be looking at.
With our current picks I fully expect they will just mainly be getting kids in the draft and if Ross goes they will look at a ruck like Flynn or Briggs if not hope they get Chol as a free agent.

Also any ruckman that comes to St Kilda will know he will be getting a game - Ryder only played 12 this year and at one stage he looked like he might retire and the year before he played 14 and broke down in the finals.
The last thing we need is relying on him and he does a Achilles or Hamstring in preseason or goes down before the finals.
I would bet they have a ruck lined up.

 

[Senor Ding Dong]

We can’t rely on finding a ruck as good as Ryder.
Improve the midfield and there is nothing wrong with Marshall as ruck.

cats and dogs both in prelims without a good ruckman.

It will be tough to find another Ryder. I think the idea of playing Marshall in the ruck is becoming more palatable since the rise of Sharman. If Cooper can effectively take Rowans spot in the forward line, then why not

 

[KingsRansom]

To me he's not really an answer to the ruck. He's handy as a ruck KP type but he's sort of more of the same as Marshall where his athleticism and around the ground work is good but his ruck craft is just okay. I'd prefer a dominant ruck like Downie or someone with experience who can just fill in when needed. He retired due to anxiety issues and was struggling but if he's a bit older and more likely to play perhaps he'd be in a better space. He was young and a long way from home before.

I'd nearly have Chol as CHF/Ruck and Marshall CHB/ruck

 

[Bill Mohr]

Yeah, so if he plays when they're injured then he's third in line. But you said he should play well enough to be second in line.

Read my posts properly. You have contributed nothing to the discussion apart from stupid nitpicking questions and comments.

 

[bergholt]

Read my posts properly. You have contributed nothing to the discussion apart from stupid nitpicking questions and comments.

You said:

"They will only be third in line if they play to that. If the new recruit is playing well then he moves up the pecking order."

But then you said he'll only play if they're injured. So no, they'll still be third in line.

Which is why we won't get a quality third ruckman, so there's no point discussing it. We'll either keep Hunter, or we'll get someone of similar state-league quality. IMO we should keep Hunter, he's a known quantity.

 

[John2010362340]

You said:

"They will only be third in line if they play to that. If the new recruit is playing well then he moves up the pecking order."

But then you said he'll only play if they're injured. So no, they'll still be third in line.

Which is why we won't get a quality third ruckman, so there's no point discussing it. We'll either keep Hunter, or we'll get someone of similar state-league quality. IMO we should keep Hunter, he's a known quantity.

Yeah Known that he's not AFL Standard!

 

[shlong]

please god no

 

[bergholt]

Yeah Known that he's not AFL Standard!

Yep, and yet he's good at state league level. The guy we replace him with will also be good at state league level. Unlikely they'll end up much better at AFL level.

 

[Chef Ratts]

Don’t need to. We signed him for 18 months originally.

Fair enough. Just saw his name on the list above ^_^

 

[St Kilda Death]

please god noView attachment 1229399

 

[prophetic1]

I guess Nathan VARDY

19

Nathan Vardy

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

3.2

1star

HB

4.1

3star

CL

1.3

3star

HO

17.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

7.6

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

15.0

5star

has been rejected by everyone here? I just noticed yesterday that Eagles cant fit himn in the cap had to let him go. Already been talked about??? Sorry if so! Is he any good for our purposes? He does have injury cloud so he'd fit right in!