List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Joffaboy]

You can add Sam Fisher to the list too.

yeah I know but 2003? We are talking contemporary.

 

[staffonly]

Wasn't it a second round pick?

The Dees still have a star from it while we have fu** all from Brendan Goddard in 2002 until Max King in 2018. That is criminally incompetent. fu** all rising stars, fu** all AAs from the guys picked in that era says we had a serious problem that was routinely ignored. Trout was an assistant coach who left and came back asking for a job so we just gave him something that wouldn't matter...the senior recruiting role. After John Beverage we sucked at drafting.

McCartin was pretty ordinary, a couple of times he looked like he might be coming good and then injured himself. I remember a guy from the TAC competition saying (about Paddy and Boyd) that taking a KPF from the TAC was dangerous because they couldn't zone so big kids could just throw smaller opponents out of the way and dominate.

McCartin was always going 1 or 2 let’s not rewrite history.

 

[Joffaboy]

If McCartin had turned into a 40 goal a year forward, King would have gone before our then lower draft pick and be playing for someone else.

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But we might have got Bailey Smith or Zac Butters.

 

[Joffaboy]

McCartin was always going 1 or 2 let’s not rewrite history.

Should have gone no.2

 

[staffonly]

Should have gone no.2

Yeah easy said now.

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah easy said now.

Most people said it then.

 

[ScrappyDo]

With Cooper Sharman kicking ten goals from rour games. than would give him 50plus in a season.

You would'a aced the your copper's exam baz!!

 

[staffonly]

Most people said it then.

Draft experts were undecided.

 

[triggering bro]

Yeah easy said now.

It was a monumental stuff up. Own it.
AFL site had an anonymous poll on which club recruiters would take who at pick 1 in the 2014 draft. It was 16 for Petracca & 2 for Paddy. Says it all. Our club played themselves.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Ps , I'm not having a go at Sinc's , I'm just saying he wasn't elite in his first year , Same as Marshall wasn't elite in his first year and still isn't elite

This is getting stupid now.
Garry Ablett Junior wasn't either, neither was Robert Harvey, neither was Dustin Martin.

For most of them it takes work.

 

[jwikked]

This is getting stupid now.
Garry Ablett Junior wasn't either, neither was Robert Harvey, neither was Dustin Martin.

For most of them it takes work.

Who is elite in their first year?

 

[Mowman]

Who is elite in their first year?

my 1st year on here was about as good as you would ever see #Elite

 

[The Boar]

Any actual trade news?

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[SaintsSeptember]

The only issue being is we are about to be bringing in 3 genuine midfield prospects, one of whom will be a top 10 pick. All three of them expecting to compete for Byrnes’ spot. Eventually might come too late for a value pick midfielder when there’s ready to go top midfield prospects coming through

Where Byrnes was picked is now irrelevant. Dane Swan, Leigh Montagna , Sam Mitchell.
Once drafted its, training form and talent.
Having 3 draft picks pushing out our boring experienced players has not been a problem i've seen in a loooooong time following the Saints.

I guess its living up to your user name, but personally i'll be very happy if we have the problem you describe.
I think 2002 Nick Dal Santo was pretty good, and Xav played a lot, but that was because our side was very ordinary.

If your team is down the bottom and you have early draft picks, you might play the kids because
a) they are the best in the draft
b) your team is garbage, that's why you are down the bottom.

If you just miss out of finals because the team has too many injuries, don't expect all your draftees to have a big impact.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'm actually a fan and think he might be a gun but I try not to bank guys who've done fu** all as finished articles any more. I was sucked in by Acres and Billings and Newnes and all the other promising kids once. Now I'm old and jaded and know that only a handful of kids go on to play 100 games and a lot less than that go on to be A graders and then even less than that absolute top shelf stars. Early on I was raving about his disposal out of a contest too, he's got some great traits but he's just at the start of what could be a great career or an unfulfilled dream. oNly time will tell.

Jack Newnes becomes a 200 game AFL player next season.
That's not sucked in.
That's Richo wanting him to play a role , then delisting him when it wasn't the best role for him.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

It was a monumental stuff up. Own it.
AFL site had an anonymous poll on which club recruiters would take who at pick 1 in the 2014 draft. It was 16 for Petracca & 2 for Paddy. Says it all. Our club played themselves.

EVERYONE had Paddy in the mix , top 10.
We stretched and took him early since Nick was in his mid 30s with his knee hanging on with Gaffer tape.
NOBODY said don't pick this guy he's going to get hit in the head too much.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Who is elite in their first year?

That was meant to be a reply to someone who was talking about how some of our elite players weren't elite in their first year.
Dammit. Not going to look back.

 

[jwikked]

That was meant to be a reply to someone who was talking about how some of our elite players weren't elite in their first year.
Dammit. Not going to look back.

I wasn't asking you specifically, but when you list those names as not being elite in their first year - despite how their career panned out, I just thought I'd throw out the question. I can't think of any player in the last 20 years that was elite from year 1.

 

[triggering bro]

EVERYONE had Paddy in the mix , top 10.
We stretched and took him early since Nick was in his mid 30s with his knee hanging on with Gaffer tape.
NOBODY said don't pick this guy he's going to get hit in the head too much.

Correct. I’m not exactly sure how to take your post. It’s like you are agreeing & arguing with me at the same time.

 

[gringo2011]

EVERYONE had Paddy in the mix , top 10.
We stretched and took him early since Nick was in his mid 30s with his knee hanging on with Gaffer tape.
NOBODY said don't pick this guy he's going to get hit in the head too much.

Plenty on here and SS including I think Big Mart that thought that a fat diabetic that would need luck to meet expectation was a poor choice. I remember people thinking that head knocks could be an issue early on even.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We wouldn’t accept the pile of sh*t Collingwood offered for Ball. McCartin had far greater forward smarts than Bruce but unfortunately concussions ruined him.

Melbourne also had four picks in that draft before they took Gawn.

Battle of the egos.
They offered the pick they gave up to take him.
We would have been better with that pick than without it.
If you want to play poker , i recommend playing with Lyon.

 

[triggering bro]

Plenty on here and SS including I think Big Mart that thought that a fat diabetic that would need luck to meet expectation was a poor choice. I remember people thinking that head knocks could be an issue early on even.

This joint was so pumped about Petracca when Brian speaking was saying we were gonna take him & then Brian came on here one day & said we’d changed to Petracca & the board absolutely lost their shit! It was hilarious. After that, people slowly started to convince themselves that it was the correct decision because Riewoldt was old/injured & Dogs paid big for Boyd.

I was always a bit sceptical because his highlights made him look like a slow, undersized, no agility key forward that had good hands & a booming peg.

He never looked like a top pick, more a second rounder. Even if concussion didn’t finish him he looked like he was missing too many elite traits to become a dominant forward at the top level.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Any actual trade news?

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Nah.
We need a “history of bad trades” thread for the masochists amongst us.

 

[BrutThough]

So, Hickey or Longer?

 

[triggering bro]

So, Hickey or Longer?

Preferred we kept Goddard & Dal Santo...