List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

Also Dunstan shouldn't have been dropped last round - that was, to put it mildly, a harsh call on him.

Or maybe he was fairly dropped for refusing to follow team instructions

 

[botts]

I want Trudgeon

What’s the knock on him? I don’t get it. He seems to dominate and hasn’t featured in any phantom draft order. Do recruiters think he has reached high full potential?

 

[Ekomaira]

I don't mind the sound of Naish. be a cheap pick up at least

 

[Groater]

At this stage, we don't have a heap of list spots empty. 6 from the main/rookie list moved on plus both Cat B spots.

Given the pick we drafted Sharman with a pick from moving someone to the LTI list, the should mean he takes a list spot for next year from someone delisted. Plus the AFL requirement to draft 3 players means we only have 2 free as it stands.

And we need to get a Key Defender and Back-up ruck in those spots before another outside mid.

5 are still OOC - Ross, Kent, Lonie, Hunter (R), Joyce (R) - so there are more spots that could open up over the new few weeks.

Thanks, that's interesting. I had thought our problem was with filling list spots.

Cooper Sharman is a rookie, yeah? Would make sense if Wilkie were to be promoted, though the rules were recently changed to allow CAT A rookies to be extended for a 4th year...

So looking at the list George maintains, we have 32 senior listed players currently after retirements, which includes the 4 OOC players. Assuming only 2 stay, that's 8 free list spots. Where am I going wrong?

 

[lewdogs]

Trading Coff or Clark would be madness. They both re-signed in March though so pretty comfortable those rumours are baseless.

 

[bird_man]

At this stage, we don't have a heap of list spots empty. 6 from the main/rookie list moved on plus both Cat B spots.

Given the pick we drafted Sharman with a pick from moving someone to the LTI list, the should mean he takes a list spot for next year from someone delisted. Plus the AFL requirement to draft 3 players means we only have 2 free as it stands.

And we need to get a Key Defender and Back-up ruck in those spots before another outside mid.

5 are still OOC - Ross, Kent, Lonie, Hunter (R), Joyce (R) - so there are more spots that could open up over the new few weeks.

Yeah I'm counting on a couple of those guys listed moving on and also a spot or two opening up after trades (which will obviously land us a draft pick, its just whether that pick gets used on NGA or another player)

I'd imagine if we get a back up ruck than Hunter will be gone.

I think Sharman can remain on the rookie list

If it ends up we have 6 list spots to fill, we currently have a way of filling 3 in the draft which means the remaining 3 have to be filled as DFA's or in the rookie draft

Probably worth leaving one spot open for the MSD draft again though

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I can't see why we want Naish, Doesn't seem to get the hard ball or tackle not a tip rat what's his place in our team? Is it because he is cheap as a delisted free agent or are we hoping to improve our vfl team next year? If we are actually seriously looking at bringing in some young talent how about we look at Will Brodie a far better fit.

I’d rather use the spot on a kid that could be nothing or could be everything.

 

[The Boar]

I wouldn't move on Clark at all! He is our second best and second most untouchable player next to King!

Unless he is a toxic influence at the club (not likely) or there's something we're not seeing, no to Pick 5.

Would need to be way offers if it was going ahead. Pick 5 + Future 1st for Clark and our Future 2nd.

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[Joffaboy]

Trading Coff or Clark would be madness. They both re-signed in March though so pretty comfortable those rumours are baseless.

Being interested in a player doesn't mean you are going to get them. Hell even if they nominate doesn't, mean they go, see Dunkley for details.
I am sure we are interested in Bont and Walsh, we were interested in Cerra, but there is lots to happen before these things occur.
I know Coffs manager is looking, if we got a silly offer of a top 10 and a second we would have to consider it. If we got offered pick 20, well we don't deal.

Good to see Rors not flamed. He is only the messenger and certainly not a Flamingo.

 

[Rors]

What the **** is a Flamingo?

 

[snails13]

So we trade a former pick 7 who is about to take off for another pick 7 which will be an unknown commodity. This doesn’t make any sense

Read the original post.

 

[Rors]

I’d rather use the spot on a kid that could be nothing or could be everything.

I would normally agree but with the lack of footy for the 2000 & 2021 crops, it’s even harder than ever to nail speculative picks

I don’t mind a couple of guys from the top teams fringe that might turn the corner with a bit of a wake up call & new environment. At least we know they can play at the level already (to an extent)

 

[Pardon me]

Anything happen today/tomorrow or do we have to wait until monday?

 

[Rors]

Anything happen today/tomorrow or do we have to wait until monday?

Stuff can happen today & tomorrow.

Even after the trade period ends on Wednesday 13th October, trades involving only draft picks may be traded up until the draft itself in late November

 

[Joffaboy]

What the fu** is a Flamingo?

A legend if the Saints trading threads

 

[Pardon me]

Stuff can happen today & tomorrow.

Even after the trade period ends on Wednesday 13th October, trades involving only draft picks may be traded up until the draft itself in late November

Thanks Rors

 

[bird_man]

I’d rather use the spot on a kid that could be nothing or could be everything.

Naish is only one year older than Cooper Sharman

There have been a few examples of late of young players being delisted from their club and being able to make the most of another chance.

I'm not fussed either way with him, but I think just because a player has been delisted doesn't make them any less likely than whoever is taken with a very late or rookie draft pick to become a good AFL player.

 

[botts]

Yeah I'm counting on a couple of those guys listed moving on and also a spot or two opening up after trades (which will obviously land us a draft pick, its just whether that pick gets used on NGA or another player)

I'd imagine if we get a back up ruck than Hunter will be gone.

I think Sharman can remain on the rookie list

If it ends up we have 6 list spots to fill, we currently have a way of filling 3 in the draft which means the remaining 3 have to be filled as DFA's or in the rookie draft

Probably worth leaving one spot open for the MSD draft again though

Sharman signed a two year extension. Does that mean he if off the rookie list?

 

[botts]

Read the original post.

Na to hard

 

[lewdogs]

Being interested in a player doesn't mean you are going to get them. Hell even if they nominate doesn't, mean they go, see Dunkley for details.
I am sure we are interested in Bont and Walsh, we were interested in Cerra, but there is lots to happen before these things occur.
I know Coffs manager is looking, if we got a silly offer of a top 10 and a second we would have to consider it. If we got offered pick 20, well we don't deal.

Good to see Rors not flamed. He is only the messenger and certainly not a Flamingo.

Why would Coffs manager be shopping him? He just signed a new contract after a great season so we can assume it would be a good contract. Since then his form has been poor.

His manager should be telling him to get out on the track and in the gym and work his arse off if he wants to earn the same in the future.

 

[bird_man]

Sharman signed a two year extension. Does that mean he if off the rookie list?

No, Wilkie has been on the rookie list for 3 years

 

[pebblesofsand]

Being interested in a player doesn't mean you are going to get them. Hell even if they nominate doesn't, mean they go, see Dunkley for details.
I am sure we are interested in Bont and Walsh, we were interested in Cerra, but there is lots to happen before these things occur.
I know Coffs manager is looking, if we got a silly offer of a top 10 and a second we would have to consider it. If we got offered pick 20, well we don't deal.

Good to see Rors not flamed. He is only the messenger and certainly not a Flamingo.

On current outputs no club would offer us a first rounder for Coffield. Essendon just picked up Jake Kelly and Adelaide's compo was Pick 42.

We picked up Highmore for Pick 45. Yet to be convinced that Coff offers a lot more than either of those two.

PS - Best thing about Naish is that they make great high performance SUP's.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

What’s the knock on him? I don’t get it. He seems to dominate and hasn’t featured in any phantom draft order. Do recruiters think he has reached high full potential?

Haven’t watched him but it’s likely that Tom Mitchell effect. Assuming he gets a lot of disposals but does nothing

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Sharman signed a two year extension. Does that mean he if off the rookie list?

I don’t think it does. Once they removed the restriction on rookie listed player’s playing senior footy guys like Wilkie got extensions but stayed on the RL.


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[BrutThough]

Thanks, that's interesting. I had thought our problem was with filling list spots.

Cooper Sharman is a rookie, yeah? Would make sense if Wilkie were to be promoted, though the rules were recently changed to allow CAT A rookies to be extended for a 4th year...

So looking at the list George maintains, we have 32 senior listed players currently after retirements, which includes the 4 OOC players. Assuming only 2 stay, that's 8 free list spots. Where am I going wrong?

All mid-season pick ups are rookies. Whether we upgrade Wilkie might just depend on the amount of draft picks we have. But we would need to do it next year, so if we have the spots we might as well do it now.

Geroge's list is probably right. I've just done it as a straight Out vs In to get our list spots.

Frawley - draftee 1
McKernan - draftee 2
Carlisle - draftee 3
Claverino (R) - Sharman (R)
Dunstan -
Roberton? - unsure whether his spot was what we took Heath with or if it's still free

Alabakis spot can only be replaced by another Cat B rookie.

Then Ross, Kent, Lonie, Joyce (R) and Hunter (R) left uncontracted but not confirmed if they will be gone or not.