Analysis 2021 trade thread

[lionraven]

Joyce would serve as a cautionary tale for the boys. Burnt his leg in the offseason so he wasnt ready when we needed someone for Neales injury. Dev Rob and Matho ended up getting games and now Joyce is delisted. Big lesson right there on being prepared and not taking too much risk particularly in a contract season

 

[Nunez]

Joyce would serve as a cautionary tale for the boys. Burnt his leg in the offseason so he wasnt ready when we needed someone for Neales injury. Dev Rob and Matho ended up getting games and now Joyce is delisted. Big lesson right there on being prepared and not taking too much risk particularly in a contract season

It was a freak accident mate - he wasn't taking a risk unless campfires are now considered risky.

 

[T Rick]

I have enormous respect for David Noble as an astute "trade for needs" football manager and given his knowledge of CEY from his time in Adelaide (a la Greenwood now for North), I am really surprised that we recruited him given how it has worked out for both him and the Club. Is it a case of CEY going backwards since he came to us, injuries or just a poor trade decision?

 

[jackess]

I have enormous respect for David Noble as an astute "trade for needs" football manager and given his knowledge of CEY from his time in Adelaide (a la Greenwood now for North), I am really surprised that we recruited him given how it has worked out for both him and the Club. Is it a case of CEY going backwards since he came to us, injuries or just a poor trade decision?

Contract length is the only real issue and it's been exacerbated by COVID which nobody could have predicted. As a free agent all he was really costing us was a list spot.

I don't believe the made up figures that he's on $400k

 

[mattsmob]

Contract length is the only real issue and it's been exacerbated by COVID which nobody could have predicted. As a free agent all he was really costing us was a list spot.

I don't believe the made up figures that he's on $400k

Also at the time everyone was crying out for a big bodied mid to help protect Lachie and our smaller mids, I can definitely see the thought process behind getting CEY and liked the pickup at the time. Feel like he's been a little harshly talked about at times as he's not as bad as he's made out to be and he certainly hasn't held the club back from achieving success.

 

[briztoon]

I have enormous respect for David Noble as an astute "trade for needs" football manager and given his knowledge of CEY from his time in Adelaide (a la Greenwood now for North), I am really surprised that we recruited him given how it has worked out for both him and the Club. Is it a case of CEY going backwards since he came to us, injuries or just a poor trade decision?

Poor recruiting decision, seeing as his loss of agility and speed post acl was a regular comment on the Adelaide board.

 

[jackess]

Poor recruiting decision, seeing as his loss of agility and speed post acl was a regular comment on the Adelaide board.

If only Noble paid more attention to bigfooty

 

[Cubs2Lions]

If only Noble paid more attention to bigfooty

His wife should have been more intact on the bigfooty community then spending her time on AFL.com instead you mean, cause we all know that this website & forum is way better then the AFL website over there after all

 

[mattsmob]

His wife should have been more intact on the bigfooty community then spending her time on AFL.com instead you mean, cause we all know that this website & forum is way better then the AFL website over there after all

Certainly runs smoother than the AFL website that's for sure.

 

[briztoon]

If only Noble paid more attention to bigfooty

I get it.

But at the same time, professionally run clubs should be on top of such things. We have an opposition scout at the recruiting level.

Us BigFooty fans know our list almost back to front, because we’re more hard core than the fan who goes to games for entertainment, but otherwise does put much time investment in to the club.

If we have a fair idea about a players ability post injury, etc. then full time scouts should have a fair idea about players they are looking to potentially recruit.

 

[jackess]

I get it.

But at the same time, professionally run clubs should be on top of such things. We have an opposition scout at the recruiting level.

Us BigFooty fans know our list almost back to front, because we’re more hard core than the fan who goes to games for entertainment, but otherwise does put much time investment in to the club.

If we have a fair idea about a players ability post injury, etc. then full time scouts should have a fair idea about players they are looking to potentially recruit.

So you didn't think he was worth a list spot at all based on bigfooty?

 

[briztoon]

So you didn't think he was worth a list spot at all based on bigfooty?

Based on BigFooty, no that’s not what I’m trying to say at all, and that’s just trying for cheap point scoring cr@p.

Based on what he was (not) producing and performing at Adelaide, definitely wasn’t worth a list spot.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

So you didn't think he was worth a list spot at all based on bigfooty?

I think most of us on here believed he was going a regular member in our Best 22 when we got him in the trade period as that extra big-bodied midfielder in the lineup, but somehow didn't seem to work out and outside a couple of games in 2020, hasn't really set the world on fire for us.

Was a bad decision by our behalf to get him from Adelaide, to be completely honest, no it really wasn't by the club because even though he hasn't been that regular member of our AFL team, he didn't cost a whole heap for us (via draft-hand/cost) to get him and helps provide that mature depth with Mathieson in the midfield of our VFL side and helps develop the next future crop of midfielders stuck in the reserve levels for us (Robertson, Sharp, T.Berry, E.Smith, etc). Without Mathieson & CEY in that midfield of our VFL for us as such, we would basically having 1-2 year players in the midfield for us all the time and that wouldn't be overall good for their development at all without those experienced players helping them with their craft.

The other thing as well that we have to remember is that if CEY was part of our Best 22 constantly throughout the past 2 years, someone like Robertson would have be missing out on constant AFL level footy and therefore could have requested a trade back home to WA for greater opportunities as a result in the future, given the fact Robertson will have a MUCH higher ceiling in the future at AFL-level (in terms of ability and skills) compared to CEY and would get really good offers from Fremantle & West Coast to play for them in their midfield.

So of course it would have been nice for CEY to be Best 22 for us but at the same time, it isn't the biggest problem in the world having him and the other mature/fringe players (Lester, Cockatoo, Mathieson, etc) play in the VFL team and hopefully help and develop the next generation of players at our club in the long-term future for us, while young superstars like Robertson, Prior & K.Coleman continue to gain crucial minutes in the AFL to be crucial players for us in the future as well.

Like Fagan always says to us in the media every year though: Teams win Matches - Squads win Premierships

 

[jackess]

Based on BigFooty, no that’s not what I’m trying to say at all, and that’s just trying for cheap point scoring cr@p.

Based on what he was (not) producing and performing at Adelaide, definitely wasn’t worth a list spot.

His last season at the crows was definitely worthy of remaining on an AFL list but for him to last would have required consistency he hadn't yet shown for various reasons.

I think he was worth a punt on a 2 year contract but definitely not a 4 year contract.

 

[Dalions]

His last season at the crows was definitely worthy of remaining on an AFL list but for him to last would have required consistency he hadn't yet shown for various reasons.

I think he was worth a punt on a 2 year contract but definitely not a 4 year contract.

Hasn’t he only been here for 2 years so if he has a 4 year contract, that would really suck.

 

[JasRulz63]

Hasn’t he only been here for 2 years so if he has a 4 year contract, that would really suck.

I think he's only on a three year contract, so should be OOC end of next season.

 

[POBT]

If you continue to roll the dice on perennially injured or restricted players, in the hope that your medical department can turn them around, eventually you're going to lose one. We'd be saying exactly the same thing about a poor decision if Linc had continued to remain on the sidelines, if Hodgey didn't get a run, if Birch couldn't play, if Adams was injured even more than he is.

I don't see much point in bagging the decision if the strategy is proven.

 

[jackess]

I think he's only on a three year contract, so should be OOC end of next season.

Oh yeah. You're right according to this

Big-bodied Crows free agent flies north to boost Lions midfield

Brisbane has signed former Crow Cam Ellis-Yolmen as a free agent

www.afl.com.au

Was rumoured to be 4 before he signed.

 

[Quigley]

I think most of us on here believed he was going a regular member in our Best 22 when we got him in the trade period as that extra big-bodied midfielder in the lineup, but somehow didn't seem to work out and outside a couple of games in 2020, hasn't really set the world on fire for us.

Was a bad decision by our behalf to get him from Adelaide, to be completely honest, no it really wasn't by the club because even though he hasn't been that regular member of our AFL team, he didn't cost a whole heap for us (via draft-hand/cost) to get him and helps provide that mature depth with Mathieson in the midfield of our VFL side and helps develop the next future crop of midfielders stuck in the reserve levels for us (Robertson, Sharp, T.Berry, E.Smith, etc). Without Mathieson & CEY in that midfield of our VFL for us as such, we would basically having 1-2 year players in the midfield for us all the time and that wouldn't be overall good for their development at all without those experienced players helping them with their craft.

The other thing as well that we have to remember is that if CEY was part of our Best 22 constantly throughout the past 2 years, someone like Robertson would have be missing out on constant AFL level footy and therefore could have requested a trade back home to WA for greater opportunities as a result in the future, given the fact Robertson will have a MUCH higher ceiling in the future at AFL-level (in terms of ability and skills) compared to CEY and would get really good offers from Fremantle & West Coast to play for them in their midfield.

So of course it would have been nice for CEY to be Best 22 for us but at the same time, it isn't the biggest problem in the world having him and the other mature/fringe players (Lester, Cockatoo, Mathieson, etc) play in the VFL team and hopefully help and develop the next generation of players at our club in the long-term future for us, while young superstars like Robertson, Prior & K.Coleman continue to gain crucial minutes in the AFL to be crucial players for us in the future as well.

Like Fagan always says to us in the media every year though: Players win Matches - Squads win Premierships

I am not sure most saw him as part of the best 22. Personally I saw him most likely as a top 25 or so player who could come in and provide solid minutes when needed. He did have potential to be best 22 on a best case scenario and his big body made him a punt worth taking. At worst I saw him as a big body in the reserves that would help the younger mids develop by taking the physical pressure off them.

I didn't have any issue with us picking him up as I thought he would be a nice squad player. It has not worked out like that and the length of his contract looks bad in hind sight.

 

[jackess]

If Jarryd Lyons

17

Jarryd Lyons

Age

33

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.5

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

8.7

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

21.7

5star

K

14.7

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.1

5star

CL

4.7

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.8

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

CL

1.6

4star

ever missed a game (while CEY was fit) we might have seen more of what he was capable of

 

[Dalions]

If Jarryd Lyons ever missed a game (while CEY was fit) we might have seen more of what he was capable of

I feel pretty sure we have seen what he is capable of.

 

[jackess]

I feel pretty sure we have seen what he is capable of.

He averaged 23 disposals, 12 contested, 5 clearances and 5 tackles in his last season at the Crows. He was playing some decent footy despite struggling to get a decent run with injuries. Then he comes to us and mainly plays forward

 

[Cubs2Lions]

If Jarryd Lyons ever missed a game (while CEY was fit) we might have seen more of what he was capable of

Personally, if Lyons ever misses a game for us, I would rather we just replace him with J.Berry or Robertson as that starting midfield on the field (even though they are already Best 22 players in our AFL side) and use that position on the bench to add another utility-based player for us that might be on the fringe in 2022 depending on the opposition we are facing, such as Ah Chee, Cockatoo, Coleman, Prior, Sharp, etc.

 

[Dalions]

He averaged 23 disposals, 12 contested, 5 clearances and 5 tackles in his last season at the Crows. He was playing some decent footy despite struggling to get a decent run with injuries. Then he comes to us and mainly plays forward

In a shit team, he was never going to do that here.
But the CEY lovers will always have the tackle on Dylan Shiel to remember him by.

 

[mattsmob]

I feel pretty sure we have seen what he is capable of.

To be fair he hasn't really be given a run in his preferred role at AFL level, which is to be expected with our current mids. I think his one game against Geelong in the finals has soured a lot of people's memory but his performance that day is on the coaches as much as it is on him.