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List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

what do we do?

  • trade back in with a future first and take phillipou

  • trade back in with a future second and take barnett

  • trade back in with a future second for someone else

  • only take MM and keep the other spot for PSD/rookie

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Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson (re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman (re-listed)
 
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Dewy006 said:
They play each other this week. So one of them will go above us. I can’t see us beating Hawthorn in Melb or West Coast in Perth. I’d have our only win really against North at home.
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I have us penned in to win one more game against the Roos at home.

Probably around a 35% chance of beating the Hawks at Marvel.

Thats it.
 
Would North realistically pick another 18yo mid at pick 1 ? Surely they need to look at ready made KPP talent and experience. They are diabolical.

Hypothetically if JHF leaves and they take another mid at pick 1, they are actually net worse off as lose 1 year of development.
 
FullyBigKPro said:
Would North realistically pick another 18yo mid at pick 1 ? Surely they need to look at ready made KPP talent and experience. They are diabolical.

Hypothetically if JHF leaves and they take another mid at pick 1, they are actually net worse off as lose 1 year of development.
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True. If they receive nothing for JHF.
 

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Here’s a ‘Rookie me’ player write-up from the weekends game between VIC C & SA.

South Australia
Vic Country
SOUTH AUSTRALIA:
By: Tom Wyman
#6 Jakob Ryan (Glenelg)
20/09/2004 | 189cm | 77kg | Defender
The flashy half-back was terrific at Thebarton Oval. Ryan showed plenty of his natural attacking run and carry and creativity by hand and foot, but crucially backed it up by proving strong defensively. Rarely beaten one-on-one, he tackled with force and was strong in the air, taking a number of intercept grabs. He weaved through traffic with composure and assuredness and used the ball with precision on most occasions. Easily one of the Croweaters’ best, Ryan’s ability to repel time and again off half-back was important.
#8 Kobe Ryan (West Adelaide)
17/02/2004 | 183cm | 73kg | Defender/Wing
Tony Bamford‘s men welcomed back on-baller, Ryan after he spent the last week adhering to COVID protocols. Ryan appeared to start behind the ball, where he struggled to have his usual impact on the game, but was swiftly moved to the wing where he was able to get his hands on it more often. As the game wore on, Ryan got better and better, cracking in typically hard and winning plenty of contested ball. He calmly booted a vital set shot to add to his 20-disposal performance.
#11 Jake Walker (Glenelg)
17/07/2004 | 184cm | 85kg | Midfielder
The Glenelg midfielder may be one of the lesser known talents in this SA squad, but his value within the side is high. A genuine workhorse, Walker never stopped running, spreading well from the contest and also working hard defensively. He featured in several centre bounce set-ups, and always looked to be around the ball. Walker’s vision and skill execution by hand was noticeable, often spotting a teammate over the other side of a pack and releasing them into space. Walker booted a goal in what was another strong showing.
#21 Mattaes Phillipou (Woodville-West Torrens)
27/12/2004 | 191cm | 83kg | Midfielder/Forward
Phillipou was once again among the best players on the field as South Australia fell just two points short of snatching victory over Vic Country. Starting on-ball, he was a key member of the rotation. Phillipou’s tall frame and burst of speed proved important against the nimble Victoria midfielders, and his extra height was also useful when thrown forward later in the game. His hands overhead were a sight to behold at times and will certainly have scouts impressed. Phillipou’s skills were sound and he combined them with some powerful extraction work around the ball.
#28 Adam D’Aloia (Woodville-West Torrens)
9/04/2004 | 186cm | 86kg | Midfielder
Croweaters skipper, D’Aloia was typically industrial in the tough loss to the Victorians. Scrappy and rugged in the contest, D’Aloia did all the little things we’ve come to expect from the Woodville-West Torrens prospect. He looked calm in traffic and made smart decisions with ball in hand. His skill execution by hand and foot was sound, so too his stoppage smarts and natural football IQ. D’Aloia was South Australia’s leading ball winner, finishing with 28 possessions, eight tackles, seven clearances and five inside 50s for his troubles.
#38 Isaac Keeler (North Adelaide)
23/04/2004 | 198cm | 88kg | Key Forward
North Adelaide star, Keeler produced another strong performance to solidify his first round hopes. Stationed primarily up forward with Foster and Barnett handling the bulk of the ruck duties, Keeler looked threatening in the air from the get-go. Although he will always have a relaxed style, he looked to play with real intensity against Vic Country – an area of his game which has been critiqued at times with North Adelaide. Clearly enjoying the bigger occasion, Keeler’s second term was vital in SA entering the main change with a slight advantage. He finished with one goal, but should have had as many as three or four if he had converted some gettable set shots.
#45 Harry Barnett (West Adelaide)
22/01/2004 | 202cm | 93kg | Ruck
In a near best-on-ground performance, the returning ruckman was outstanding after missing last week’s encounter with the Allies due to COVID-19 protocols. Starting in the ruck and rotating with Phoenix Foster throughout the game, Barnett wasted no time getting started, showing some dash en route to winning the opening clearance of the game. His clean hands at ground level and willingness to use his running capacity when given time and space was terrific to see. However, Barnett’s overhead marking was the highlight of his game. He took a number of big pack grabs in front of and behind the ball, making use of his athleticism and reach. Recruiters will have enjoyed watching the West Adelaide bigman lead the South Australian ruck division.
VIC COUNTRY:
By: Michael Alvaro
#2 Mitch Szybkowski (Dandenong Stingrays)
9/01/2004 | 186cm | 84kg | Midfielder
Part of a strong on-ball core for the Victorians, Szybkowski brought his usual inside game but also showcased an enormous running capacity away from the contest. The Dandenong Stingrays standout was typically clean by hand and worked well in combination with his fellow midfielders, giving and getting through the middle of the ground. He worked hard to drive Country forward and did the defensive stuff too, most memorably with a term two tackle on Kobe Ryan, who tried to fend him off.
#5 Jhye Clark (Geelong Falcons)
23/07/2004 | 181cm | 77kg | Midfielder
Country’s captain was simply undeniable, and reliable as ever in the engine room. He racked up 24 touches and eight marks, putting his head over the ball when required but also accumulating as per usual around the ground. While a consistent figure, Clark produced a few outstanding moments; including a courageous intercept mark floating in front of the pack inside defensive 50, and a clutch set shot goal in the third term to steady his side. As always, he proved a real tone-setter in midfield.
#8 Oliver Hollands (Murray Bushrangers)
16/01/2004 | 184cm | 71kg | Midfielder
The third of Country’s core midfielders alongside Szybkowski and Clark, Hollands also found his fair share of possession. When the contest was hot, he got his hands on the contested ball and while it was tough to step into space, Hollands worked hard on the spread. His kicking, a noted area of improvement, was sharp when afforded time and space, and part of why he was one of Country’s best in the first half. He later popped up under a high ball inside 50, and slotted a goal in the third quarter.
#10 Jonti Schuback (Gippsland Power)
18/03/2004 | 183cm | 75kg | Wing
While Country’s inside ball winners worked hard at the contest, Schuback thrived on the outside and provided plenty of drive. Though suited to the expanses of the wing, Schuback was not afraid to compete and split a number of contests, before recovering well to sweep up the ball and set off. Through his dash and slick kicking, the Gippsland Power product helped Country progress into dangerous areas of the ground, and even spent a bit of time in the forward half during term four.
#12 Coby Burgiel (Gippsland Power)
9/09/2004 | 183cm | 76kg | Defender
Along with Szybkowski, Burgiel collected a team-high 25 disposals for the ‘Big V’ and was a constant rebounding force from defence. He had plenty to do down back, particularly in the early stages, proving composed with his ability to win contests and immediately get going to put Country on the front foot. His consistent output was key to keeping the Victorians alive and dangerous in transition, playing a solid role behind the ball.
#13 Finn Emile-Brennan (Dandenong Stingrays)
7/05/2004 | 181cm | 62kg | Defender
The Melbourne Next-Generation Academy member certainly has some eye-catching traits, and showcased all of them in a promising representative outing. Operating in his usual role off half-back, Emile-Brennan was aggressive with his rebound run and kicking, displaying great athleticism to break the lines and surge Country forward. He was shifted up to the wing in term four, with his punchy ball use a feature among 19 touches.
#14 Harley Reid (Bendigo Pioneers)
17/04/2005 | 185cm | 82kg | Defender
After foreshadowing his shift to defence at NAB League level, Reid showcased his natural footballing nous with 21 disposals and 10 marks in a relatively new role. The usual midfielder-forward got better as the game went on, and produced a clutch pack mark in the dying stages to help Country hold on. His kicking improved over time, and the bottom-ager seemed to grow in stature as the stakes were heightened. There are few better readers of the play at his age, and few more readymade athletes at that – he’s a star already.
#17 Caleb Mitchell (Murray Bushrangers)
10/08/2004 | 187cm | Wing
Perhaps one of the less heralded names among Vic Country’s squad, Mitchell stepped up when his side needed it on Sunday. Making the wing his own, the Murray Bushrangers prospect worked hard to impact both arcs and tried his best to make things happen with ball in hand. While that sometimes meant biting off more than he could chew, Mitchell was clean when he needed to be – in crucial late passages.
#25 Aaron Cadman (GWV Rebels)
3/03/2004 | 194cm | 88kg | Key Forward
Arguably now the form key forward of this year’s draft crop, Cadman made good of the limited opportunities which came his way. Country was incredibly wasteful going inside 50, but the Greater Western Victoria forward still managed to snare a pair of goals. His high level forward craft was evident, with clean marks on the lead and strong work one-on-one, contributing all of his three scoring shots in the opening half for 2.1.
#33 Henry Hustwaite (Dandenong Stingrays)
20/07/2004 | 194cm | 84kg | Defender/Midfielder
Having recently taken on more midfield minutes with Dandenong, Hustwaite shifted back to defence in Country colours and did so with aplomb. He started wonderfully well, intercepting seemingly everything which came his way in the first term with sound reading of the play and a clean set of hands. The pressure gauge was turned up in term two and Hustwaite was much quieter until his move on-ball in the final quarter, where he again displayed great composure and foot skills.
#34 James Van Es (GWV Rebels)
7/08/2004 | 196cm | 97kg | Key Defender
Acting like the Steven May to Country’s Jake Lever (Hustwaite), Van Es was resolute in defence. He dominated the early stages along with his partner-in-crime, proving too strong in one-on-one duels and putting on a great show of defensive craft. While the going got tougher as the game wore on, Van Es’ solid start was certainly notable.


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Jirkago75 said:
I really like the look of Phillipou, think he could be our gun mid/forward. I like his power and forward craft.
I would trade down a few pick and pick him and hope to get another early pick. He will he a very good player, he has star quality to his game
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Phillipou with the December birthday as well! Is he quick ?
In the trade down, what would you be hoping to get back ?
 
latinoheat said:
Phillipou with the December birthday as well! Is he quick ?
In the trade down, what would you be hoping to get back ?
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Not quick but has a power in his running. If we trade pick 4, I’d hope to trade to 8 plus a mid to late teen pick. Would maybe get us big forward or another mid.
If we turn pick 4 into phillipou and Ryan , that would be awesome
 
Jirkago75 said:
Not quick but has a power in his running. If we trade pick 4, I’d hope to trade to 8 plus a mid to late teen pick. Would maybe get us big forward or another mid.
If we turn pick 4 into phillipou and Ryan , that would be awesome
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Knightmare has Phillipou at Number 1 in his power rankings now, so it seems he could go higher.
 
CROWS84 said:
Knightmare has Phillipou at Number 1 in his power rankings now, so it seems he could go higher.
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He won’t go one, no chance. He’s unproven as a midfielder at the moment, plus others are in front of him. Talent wise he might be up there and could turn into best in the draft but Victoria kids will go higher.
 

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Crows I Am said:
You said in your first sentence that North will have a say where he goes, but then your last sentence you said if he is dead set on going to Port then it won't matter what we offer. That was the point I was making, if he decides he wants to go to us, or vice versa to Port, then it won't matter what the other team has to offer. North can try all they want to get a deal with the other team, but he has to agree to go there.
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If he just wants to get back home, North will have a say. If it's to a particular club, not that much (but he might have to wait a year).
 
Big Dub said:
There's a bit of a quality/ risk difference between a tried number 1 pick (ie is translating to AFL) and an untried pick 6.
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Said number 1 pick is still unproven as to whether he reaches a status worthy of that draft position. Granted, a little more proven than the unknown pick 6, but not near the level that requires another top 5-7 pick to be added
 
It's hard to justify giving away your first 3 picks for one player like JHF.

When those first three picks turn into players it's much easier....mcasey, Schoenberg, worrell? Jones, Ned, Hamill?

We have had some good picks over the time, but I feel like never what we really need.
 

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Jirkago75 said:
He won’t go one, no chance. He’s unproven as a midfielder at the moment, plus others are in front of him. Talent wise he might be up there and could turn into best in the draft but Victoria kids will go higher.
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There are often kids around May/June whose stocks rise. The kids who didn't come through 16s as the 'elite kids'. Generally they end up hits too.

Last year it was Callaghan, who was kind of a mid first/chasing pack type and in May clearly separated himself. In June Darcy did. Both went top 3.

Others who did the same spring to mind as Oliver, Bontempelli, Brayshaw (Andrew).

Phillipou ticks a lot of boxes to be that this year. Good size. December birthday. Year on year improvement is strong. Probably didn't enter the year as a top 10 hype prospect, so hasn't had the eyes on him. I would be very surprised if he didn't end up falling into our range or higher without trading down to snaffle him.

Obviously I want to see more before calling it, but I can see him entering the conversation. Wardlaw and Ashcroft are your standard, generic, always-go-pick-1 prospects. What you see is what you get. A hardworking inside mid and a prolific accumulator. They'll probably play 250 games. They'll probably finish top 10-15 in brownlows. Win a club champion or two. But like most pick 1s, they're mooted there because their floors are the highest, not their ceilings.

If you're looking for a core top 3-5 player on your list to steady the ship, they're the dudes. Phillipou's the boom/bust guy that recruiters are afraid of putting their balls on the line for, but if they go early and against the grain (Oliver, Bontempelli), the rewards are handsome.

With our list as it is, I'd be going a Phillipou. Safe won't get us to the top. Hitting a boom will.

FullyBigKPro said:
Would North realistically pick another 18yo mid at pick 1 ? Surely they need to look at ready made KPP talent and experience. They are diabolical.

Hypothetically if JHF leaves and they take another mid at pick 1, they are actually net worse off as lose 1 year of development.
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I think so. Especially when it looks like the gulf between pick 1 and where the KPPs will fall could be 7-10 picks. No point reaching. Either maneuvre to get a pick around 10 and pick one, or wait a year.

6 months ago I'd have said they'd be mad to go mid early, but they've got problems there now too. Let's look at their 'future' midfield and disregard Anderson, Greenwood and Cunnington. Keeping in mind you want a 'core four' inside brigade minimum, with a 5th dude who can play elsewhere and be called in if needed.

1. Simpkin (24): Good link up player, but an absolute butcher. Worst kick for a mid in the league and too small to be the bash and crash inside dude. Defensive efforts can be weak. Drafted as a fwd/mid, I think based on available evidence they're going to hope he ends up the 5th dude who plays on a forward flank when others grow past him.

2. Davies-Uniacke (23): He's taken his time, but finally seems to have arrived. Accumulation not amazing, but he can be that ball winner/burst player. Not the main man, but you'd be happy for him to be the third banana

3. Horne-Francis (19): Can be the main man, but you cannot make list decisions based on his long term future at the club until he re-signs.

4. Powell (20): His development appears to have stalled and no longer appears to the sure hit he looked early on. I think he's still fine, but you can't build a list assuming he'll be a surefire hit, especially given he's undersized and defensively a bit eh.

5. Thomas (22): Does he even want a future? Who knows. All the talent, but at 22, you've got to be more

6. Phillips (20): Undersized. Was drafted as that Wardlaw/Ashcroft style 'high floor' type, but hasn't yet shown the high floor. Losing an entire season early in your career to glandular fever is not good. It's ruined careers. He's no longer the certainty he once was.

So you look at that, and 9 months ago I reckon North thought they had JHF, Thomas & Simpkin as near certain on-ball career types, with Phillips, Powell and LDU as >75% chances of being that. Which ends up 5.0-5.5 onballers going forward.

Now I reckon Simpkin, Powell and Phillips are closer to 0.4, 0.3 and 0.5 types, Thomas a 0.2, and JHF still a 1.0 if he sticks around, but you can't budget on that. The only one who's increased his stocks is LDU, who's probably now a 1.0 type. Adds up to 3.5 onballers going forward if JHF sticks around, which is one less than you want.

Unless they're a lot more confident on Powell/Thomas/Phillips than I think they should be, the play is definitely to go onballer again. Worst case you push someone out down the line, so be it.
 
Skippos said:
There are often kids around May/June whose stocks rise. The kids who didn't come through 16s as the 'elite kids'. Generally they end up hits too.

Last year it was Callaghan, who was kind of a mid first/chasing pack type and in May clearly separated himself. In June Darcy did. Both went top 3.

Others who did the same spring to mind as Oliver, Bontempelli, Brayshaw (Andrew).

Phillipou ticks a lot of boxes to be that this year. Good size. December birthday. Year on year improvement is strong. Probably didn't enter the year as a top 10 hype prospect, so hasn't had the eyes on him. I would be very surprised if he didn't end up falling into our range or higher without trading down to snaffle him.

Obviously I want to see more before calling it, but I can see him entering the conversation. Wardlaw and Ashcroft are your standard, generic, always-go-pick-1 prospects. What you see is what you get. A hardworking inside mid and a prolific accumulator. They'll probably play 250 games. They'll probably finish top 10-15 in brownlows. Win a club champion or two. But like most pick 1s, they're mooted there because their floors are the highest, not their ceilings.

If you're looking for a core top 3-5 player on your list to steady the ship, they're the dudes. Phillipou's the boom/bust guy that recruiters are afraid of putting their balls on the line for, but if they go early and against the grain (Oliver, Bontempelli), the rewards are handsome.

With our list as it is, I'd be going a Phillipou. Safe won't get us to the top. Hitting a boom will.



I think so. Especially when it looks like the gulf between pick 1 and where the KPPs will fall could be 7-10 picks. No point reaching. Either maneuvre to get a pick around 10 and pick one, or wait a year.

6 months ago I'd have said they'd be mad to go mid early, but they've got problems there now too. Let's look at their 'future' midfield and disregard Anderson, Greenwood and Cunnington. Keeping in mind you want a 'core four' inside brigade minimum, with a 5th dude who can play elsewhere and be called in if needed.

1. Simpkin (24): Good link up player, but an absolute butcher. Worst kick for a mid in the league and too small to be the bash and crash inside dude. Defensive efforts can be weak. Drafted as a fwd/mid, I think based on available evidence they're going to hope he ends up the 5th dude who plays on a forward flank when others grow past him.

2. Davies-Uniacke (23): He's taken his time, but finally seems to have arrived. Accumulation not amazing, but he can be that ball winner/burst player. Not the main man, but you'd be happy for him to be the third banana

3. Horne-Francis (19): Can be the main man, but you cannot make list decisions based on his long term future at the club until he re-signs.

4. Powell (20): His development appears to have stalled and no longer appears to the sure hit he looked early on. I think he's still fine, but you can't build a list assuming he'll be a surefire hit, especially given he's undersized and defensively a bit eh.

5. Thomas (22): Does he even want a future? Who knows. All the talent, but at 22, you've got to be more

6. Phillips (20): Undersized. Was drafted as that Wardlaw/Ashcroft style 'high floor' type, but hasn't yet shown the high floor. Losing an entire season early in your career to glandular fever is not good. It's ruined careers. He's no longer the certainty he once was.

So you look at that, and 9 months ago I reckon North thought they had JHF, Thomas & Simpkin as near certain on-ball career types, with Phillips, Powell and LDU as >75% chances of being that. Which ends up 5.0-5.5 onballers going forward.

Now I reckon Simpkin, Powell and Phillips are closer to 0.4, 0.3 and 0.5 types, Thomas a 0.2, and JHF still a 1.0 if he sticks around, but you can't budget on that. The only one who's increased his stocks is LDU, who's probably now a 1.0 type. Adds up to 3.5 onballers going forward if JHF sticks around, which is one less than you want.

Unless they're a lot more confident on Powell/Thomas/Phillips than I think they should be, the play is definitely to go onballer again. Worst case you push someone out down the line, so be it.
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Cam McKenzie is another player on a steep rise this season now he's getting much more midfield minutes, think he's exactly the type of mid we should be looking at, good burst speed, good hands and a decent kick, loves to tackle.....and he's one of those special players that has the ability to stand up in a tackle and fire out a handball to his teammates advantage.
 
Big Dub said:
If JHF wants to go home while still in contract, then North will have a say in where he goes.

Our first and second this year plus first (and maybe second) next year will be much more attractive than Port's first this year (they have no second) and first and second next year. I think Port underperformed this year and their first round next year won't even be a top 10 pick.

Even if Karl Amon's compensation pick went to North (but the player won't), we'd still be miles in front.

That said, if JHF is dead set on joining Port then it won't matter what we offer.
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I'm honestly not against a balls to a wall offer to JHF at this point (potential attitude issues notwithstanding). We've got a lot of kids to build a contender out of, and are in desperate need for an elite midfielder talent (what club isn't?). JHF has shown enough this year to give some confidence he's on that trajectory as well, holding his own as an inside midfielder in his first year, which is rather unusual.

Add in steak knives coming back to us (like a 2nd/3rd) and my attitude is really "if you're convinced the kid is legit, go for it".
 
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