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List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft
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great kick from hollands to a nice lead from cadman.
Not alot changed in the players I liked before this game
Jhye Clark is a machine, has Lenny Hayes vibes, great leader, not much ex factor, but no weakness. Best 2 way mid in the draft
Was hoping Binns and Petric would both be available late, that won't happen with Binns, now in contention for a 2nd rounder and Petric is a good prospect but won't get past the 4th round
Edmends is one of the most composed wingmen and ball use off both feet is elite
Hollands was slightly better with his use by foot, but wouldn't classify him as an outside type
Hotton had a dirty day, but his best is still worth a 1st rounder
Cadman is definitely in the top 6, but long term Jefferson will be just as good
Humphrey is a beast, but kicking remains poor
Pascu was again well involved, reminds me of Hibbard
Weddle looks like he has grown, a little more and is in the mix as a KPD
FMD Reid, if he was in this draft, I would take him at pick 1
Jhye Clark is a machine, has Lenny Hayes vibes, great leader, not much ex factor, but no weakness. Best 2 way mid in the draft
Was hoping Binns and Petric would both be available late, that won't happen with Binns, now in contention for a 2nd rounder and Petric is a good prospect but won't get past the 4th round
Edmends is one of the most composed wingmen and ball use off both feet is elite
Hollands was slightly better with his use by foot, but wouldn't classify him as an outside type
Hotton had a dirty day, but his best is still worth a 1st rounder
Cadman is definitely in the top 6, but long term Jefferson will be just as good
Humphrey is a beast, but kicking remains poor
Pascu was again well involved, reminds me of Hibbard
Weddle looks like he has grown, a little more and is in the mix as a KPD
FMD Reid, if he was in this draft, I would take him at pick 1
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Binns could still be there at 28. I like Jefferson, happy to take him at 10, but club might be looking elsewhere
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In an AFL environment, could you see Humphrey's kicking improving to the required level?
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No comment on Max Gruzewski?
Terrific leap - reminds me of Port's Georgiades....
Terrific leap - reminds me of Port's Georgiades....
Was prominent in the first quarter. Didn’t do much for the rest of the game. More upside with a player like Petric. Seemed more dynamic and involved.
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He will require a lot of coaching. His goal kickings ordinary but his field kicking is a whole new level of poor. Not so much in regards to ball drop and penetration etc but just his decision making is just terrible. Probably take a few years to drill that out of him.
what round do you see pascu getting picked in? or a rookie draft?
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Was at the game. My jaw dropped watching Reid.
Gonna be a superstar of the game that kid.
North fans would be devod. Best 2 players on the ground arent available for them
Gonna be a superstar of the game that kid.
North fans would be devod. Best 2 players on the ground arent available for them
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Athletically he is a specimen. Elite speed, elite vertical leap, extremely strong through the hips and seems to naturally read the play when he's on the receiving end... When he has ball in hand is where the issues begin.
I can, but seems to also be decision/mindset as much as technical
Late pick
Who are your top 3 in the mix for our selection ?
Are you still concerned with Humphrey's kicking or it can be sorted in a afl environment?
Across all kids
1st round - Any of Hotton, Busslinger, Hayes
2nd round - Binns, Barnett, Szybkowski, Edmends, Scaife, Weddle ( If he grows), Jones, Dowling
After that, Petric, Long, Drury, Tregenza-Cashell, Grant, Walker, Scully, Foster, Allen, Pascu
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Be very happy with Hollands. Any chance Hayes is too much of a reach at our first? A decade of Hayes. Young and Weitering would set us up nicely?
Hayes is less of a reach compared to Hollands
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You have to make a pick at 10 now, who is it?
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At this stage, too hard to know who will slide.
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Fair enough, without regard for anything: combine, sliders, who’s the man?
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Not a fan of hayes… doesn’t have much of a presence. Great size but isn’t what I’d look for in a key back. Very speculative at this point. Needs time to develop and we are a club in a hurry.
Do you feel the fact we went for Motlop last year as a small forward may mean we focus on other areas eg key position player or that half forward/midfielder rather than a Hotton type.
Do you believe there is a possibility of trading up some spots as seems to be some talk of Gold Coast trading their pick
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So after watching the game today and getting a closer look at some of the players around our pick I'll go through my thoughts on them.
Tsatas and Ashcroft obviously are going 1-5 so they are no chance of reaching us, though I thought both were incredibly underwhelming today.
For our first round pick:
Ollie Hotton - Very ordinary performance for mine, 9 touches, 0 goals, 2 behinds... Didn't really do a heap. Definitely has some AFL traits in that he's got that burst of speed and a good sidestep, but he reminds me way too much of Cuningham in that he just doesn't seem to find the ball consistently and although he can be high impact per touch, is 15-20 touches per game really going to cut it at the next level? His game last week was much much better.
Ollie Hollands - Amazing game from Hollands, 23 touches at 83%. Top rated player on the ground too. My biggest concern is his body to be completely honest. He reads the play incredibly, runs as hard as anyone and is surprisingly tough for such a slender kid. Imagine LoB if he could kick on both feet and actually knows how to use his body in contest work. A few awesome defensive pressure efforts that won't be on the stats list but his pressure rating was the highest on ground too. However... he just has one of those bodies that you really can't see developing much, I imagine the biggest he could end up is a Lachie Whitfield type, he's never going to have the power and strength of his older brother. Only other knock I have is some of his kicking was asking for trouble, a few he got away with but hung in the air a bit too long when going for a corridor kick or a long switch... If he can add some more strength I'm sure this would largely be a non issue as he'll get a touch more penetration through the ball, but definitely took some risky options.
Matt Jefferson - Really liked the game from Jefferson, has a bit of swagger about him which I always like and is extremely mobile for his size. Kicked 2.2 for the game and did some nice things at times, and some stupid things too. Cadman is the standout 'key forward' in that he's got an amazing contested game and looks as strong as an ox already at a young age... But Jefferson does look like on of those Gunston types who's a difficult match up as a third tall who can run up and down the wings too Jeremy Cameron style. Issue is with that is his kicking and decision making doesn't seem to be a particular strength, so it could be a lot of gathering touches up the ground that end up being turnovers. Still quite a raw prospect and could be a real player in the future if he tidies up a few things.
Cam Mckenzie - 21 touches at 76% playing mostly inside mid. Half and half with Mckenzie, he's no doubt about it the best disposal by foot in the Victorian crop and probably the draft class. Sheezel is capable of the freakish but Mckenzie has GAJ type precision. Weights his kicks perfectly any time he's in space and completely takes the speed off the ball too which would be a leading forwards wet dream. His contested work seemed pretty good and he can win the ball but I could easily see him playing half forward/wing early days and just being silk with his disposal rather than a big accumulator. Similar to Cerra in my mind where you can play him wing or on ball and get two completely different players depending on where he is.
Jhye Clark - My favourite player in the draft, basically Joel Selwood 2.0. 16 touches, 8 tackles and probably 3-4 more that weren't counted 70% DE and was good without being amazing. Runs all day, puts his body on the line over and over again and shows leadership on field unmatched by any other kid in the draft. Every time an opposition player made a mistake or took a mark before he could spoil/intercept it he would let them know about it. Slams his opponents into the ground with every tackle and makes sure they can taste the soil a bit. In terms of disposal, reading of the game etc... He's nothing out of the ordinary, does everything to a high standard but certainly not a match winning type. Reliable by hand and foot, good in the contest and looks to have some forward nous to go with an awesome vertical leap. Would be over the moon if we were to get him as a slider.
Humphrey - 1.3 and I think about 4 disposals which should have been shots on goal that he randomly chose to centre instead. Had 11 touches and he certainly has all the athletic gifts to be a serious player, but as I mentioned earlier he just makes poor decisions consistently. He almost looks like someone who's never played footy before and is just there because he's a beast in the gym and his mates asked him to come down for a game on the weekend. In my opinion someone we should steer clear of, but if we did take him I'd be very excited for what he could do in 3-4 years when he develops his craft. Quads would rival Bam Bam's for size, but he moves a lot quicker than Bam Bam and really could be anything if he's developed right.
Hayes - 2nd highest rated behind Ashcroft for Metro, reads the play beautifully and is an astonishingly good kick for his size. One thing I didn't like about his game is that he often looks for a handball to a running midfielder like Young does for us... BUT LEWIS YOU'RE PROBABLY THE 2ND BEST KICK IN YOUR TEAM. He's got a lot to work on in terms of bulking up and his body work in one on ones but to be fair he was against some of the best talents you'll see in Cadman and Reid. I really really like him, wouldn't be displeased with picking him up as I think he reads the ball as well as someone like Marchbank or Gov but will likely develop into more that real KPD given the extra height he has. I'd still rate Busslinger higher but I have no doubts Hayes could surpass him when looking back on this draft.
Mckenzie, Clark and Humphrey are far from certainties to be there at our pick, but I think any of the 3 could slide to us given their are some prospects who other clubs may reach for given their upside vs their proven performances.
For our second round pick:
Konstanty - Looks very lively in the forward half as a tackling threat and found himself in dangerous positions a few times but only ended up with 1.3 which I guess diminished what could have been a really huge game for him. Seems to have a decent reading of the play but I certainly don't rate him in the same class as Motlop or a Pickett type who seem to have multiple avenues to goal. Seems much more a pressure forward type than a real goalkicking specialist. Tackles well and had 4 today which is just about his standard, but don't think he's really the type we're after.
Szybkowski - Take everything I said about Cam Mckenzie and then just imagine the B- version. He's big, he's decent in the contest, can win his own ball inside and out but his kicking isn't anywhere near as good and I wouldn't say he has great vision from in tight or in open space. In all honesty he reminds me a bit of Acres in that I can still see him having a long AFL career as he works hard and certainly does most things at a good standard, but doubt he ever ends up a real top player due to just being a notch or two below the absolute guns.
Binns - Thought he's been awesome the last couple of games I've seen of him and today did his chances no harms. 21 touches at 90% and I'm positive would have been plenty of metres gained. Not really sure why he's as far down some phantom drafts as he is because he seems quite a likely type. Extremely good runner and from what I've seen he really hits the game with speed, runs by for handballs in a full on sprint and although I wasn't able to get a close look at his kicks as I was on the other side of the ground, from what I saw at a distance he picked the right options consistently. Hit a few gems at long range while at full speed which gave me some Isaac Smith flashbacks. Does tend to kick long a fair bit though, I have no issues with that normally as he tends to really drill them in so the ball gets there quite quickly. Would be very happy with him at our 2nd pick if we were to go a Jefferson or Busslinger with our first.
Tsatas and Ashcroft obviously are going 1-5 so they are no chance of reaching us, though I thought both were incredibly underwhelming today.
For our first round pick:
Ollie Hotton - Very ordinary performance for mine, 9 touches, 0 goals, 2 behinds... Didn't really do a heap. Definitely has some AFL traits in that he's got that burst of speed and a good sidestep, but he reminds me way too much of Cuningham in that he just doesn't seem to find the ball consistently and although he can be high impact per touch, is 15-20 touches per game really going to cut it at the next level? His game last week was much much better.
Ollie Hollands - Amazing game from Hollands, 23 touches at 83%. Top rated player on the ground too. My biggest concern is his body to be completely honest. He reads the play incredibly, runs as hard as anyone and is surprisingly tough for such a slender kid. Imagine LoB if he could kick on both feet and actually knows how to use his body in contest work. A few awesome defensive pressure efforts that won't be on the stats list but his pressure rating was the highest on ground too. However... he just has one of those bodies that you really can't see developing much, I imagine the biggest he could end up is a Lachie Whitfield type, he's never going to have the power and strength of his older brother. Only other knock I have is some of his kicking was asking for trouble, a few he got away with but hung in the air a bit too long when going for a corridor kick or a long switch... If he can add some more strength I'm sure this would largely be a non issue as he'll get a touch more penetration through the ball, but definitely took some risky options.
Matt Jefferson - Really liked the game from Jefferson, has a bit of swagger about him which I always like and is extremely mobile for his size. Kicked 2.2 for the game and did some nice things at times, and some stupid things too. Cadman is the standout 'key forward' in that he's got an amazing contested game and looks as strong as an ox already at a young age... But Jefferson does look like on of those Gunston types who's a difficult match up as a third tall who can run up and down the wings too Jeremy Cameron style. Issue is with that is his kicking and decision making doesn't seem to be a particular strength, so it could be a lot of gathering touches up the ground that end up being turnovers. Still quite a raw prospect and could be a real player in the future if he tidies up a few things.
Cam Mckenzie - 21 touches at 76% playing mostly inside mid. Half and half with Mckenzie, he's no doubt about it the best disposal by foot in the Victorian crop and probably the draft class. Sheezel is capable of the freakish but Mckenzie has GAJ type precision. Weights his kicks perfectly any time he's in space and completely takes the speed off the ball too which would be a leading forwards wet dream. His contested work seemed pretty good and he can win the ball but I could easily see him playing half forward/wing early days and just being silk with his disposal rather than a big accumulator. Similar to Cerra in my mind where you can play him wing or on ball and get two completely different players depending on where he is.
Jhye Clark - My favourite player in the draft, basically Joel Selwood 2.0. 16 touches, 8 tackles and probably 3-4 more that weren't counted 70% DE and was good without being amazing. Runs all day, puts his body on the line over and over again and shows leadership on field unmatched by any other kid in the draft. Every time an opposition player made a mistake or took a mark before he could spoil/intercept it he would let them know about it. Slams his opponents into the ground with every tackle and makes sure they can taste the soil a bit. In terms of disposal, reading of the game etc... He's nothing out of the ordinary, does everything to a high standard but certainly not a match winning type. Reliable by hand and foot, good in the contest and looks to have some forward nous to go with an awesome vertical leap. Would be over the moon if we were to get him as a slider.
Humphrey - 1.3 and I think about 4 disposals which should have been shots on goal that he randomly chose to centre instead. Had 11 touches and he certainly has all the athletic gifts to be a serious player, but as I mentioned earlier he just makes poor decisions consistently. He almost looks like someone who's never played footy before and is just there because he's a beast in the gym and his mates asked him to come down for a game on the weekend. In my opinion someone we should steer clear of, but if we did take him I'd be very excited for what he could do in 3-4 years when he develops his craft. Quads would rival Bam Bam's for size, but he moves a lot quicker than Bam Bam and really could be anything if he's developed right.
Hayes - 2nd highest rated behind Ashcroft for Metro, reads the play beautifully and is an astonishingly good kick for his size. One thing I didn't like about his game is that he often looks for a handball to a running midfielder like Young does for us... BUT LEWIS YOU'RE PROBABLY THE 2ND BEST KICK IN YOUR TEAM. He's got a lot to work on in terms of bulking up and his body work in one on ones but to be fair he was against some of the best talents you'll see in Cadman and Reid. I really really like him, wouldn't be displeased with picking him up as I think he reads the ball as well as someone like Marchbank or Gov but will likely develop into more that real KPD given the extra height he has. I'd still rate Busslinger higher but I have no doubts Hayes could surpass him when looking back on this draft.
Mckenzie, Clark and Humphrey are far from certainties to be there at our pick, but I think any of the 3 could slide to us given their are some prospects who other clubs may reach for given their upside vs their proven performances.
For our second round pick:
Konstanty - Looks very lively in the forward half as a tackling threat and found himself in dangerous positions a few times but only ended up with 1.3 which I guess diminished what could have been a really huge game for him. Seems to have a decent reading of the play but I certainly don't rate him in the same class as Motlop or a Pickett type who seem to have multiple avenues to goal. Seems much more a pressure forward type than a real goalkicking specialist. Tackles well and had 4 today which is just about his standard, but don't think he's really the type we're after.
Szybkowski - Take everything I said about Cam Mckenzie and then just imagine the B- version. He's big, he's decent in the contest, can win his own ball inside and out but his kicking isn't anywhere near as good and I wouldn't say he has great vision from in tight or in open space. In all honesty he reminds me a bit of Acres in that I can still see him having a long AFL career as he works hard and certainly does most things at a good standard, but doubt he ever ends up a real top player due to just being a notch or two below the absolute guns.
Binns - Thought he's been awesome the last couple of games I've seen of him and today did his chances no harms. 21 touches at 90% and I'm positive would have been plenty of metres gained. Not really sure why he's as far down some phantom drafts as he is because he seems quite a likely type. Extremely good runner and from what I've seen he really hits the game with speed, runs by for handballs in a full on sprint and although I wasn't able to get a close look at his kicks as I was on the other side of the ground, from what I saw at a distance he picked the right options consistently. Hit a few gems at long range while at full speed which gave me some Isaac Smith flashbacks. Does tend to kick long a fair bit though, I have no issues with that normally as he tends to really drill them in so the ball gets there quite quickly. Would be very happy with him at our 2nd pick if we were to go a Jefferson or Busslinger with our first.
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