List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[Arr0w]

"Veteran stage"

We may only have 1 player over 30 on our list next season.

Would you also believe we will have the least number of 29+ year olds, 3, compared to any other list

North 8, Crows 5, Hawks 6, * 4, Dockers 7, Lions 9

Those sides are the youngest as a total list and as a total we are on par with the Lions

This will change again after trade and draft

Our list hasn't reached prime age yet

 

[Arr0w]

I don't know if you've posted it before but interested in seeing your top 10 ArrOw.

Will do a top 30 over the next week

 

[bmaurizio]

Austin over the past 2 years has had no list management pressure. He has tinkered around the edges on draft day.
Picking 10, 28 and 64 will not provide enough scope to fill our list holes before this group enters the veteran stage.
Austin needs to throw the marbles against the wall and trade to achieve 5 picks in the top 40 by using future picks, taking on a salary dump or trading a player.

If we walk out with Acres and 3 draftees, that is a fail for mine

Agree and that's what I've being banging on about, so far the noise has not been inspirational given player availability this trade period.
I like Nick Austin's work in sourcing and drafting good youngsters and established mature talent,so far, he's done OK, safe and steady perhaps to appease administration and or supporter base?
I think he's got a good nose for talent , will be diligent and may be keeping cards very close to the chest, this time around.
Overall Nick can rely on great guidance in Sayers & Cook great brains to steer the ship. were in good hands but crying out for X factor.

 

[macky99]

Agree and that's what I've being banging on about, so far the noise has not been inspirational given player availability this trade period.
I like Nick Austin's work in sourcing and drafting good youngsters and established mature talent,so far, he's done OK, safe and steady perhaps to appease administration and or supporter base?
I think he's got a good nose for talent , will be diligent and may be keeping cards very close to the chest, this time around.
Overall Nick can rely on great guidance in Sayers & Cook great brains to steer the ship. were in good hands but crying out for X factor.

Austin made it clear 12 months ago that that they would be going to the draft this year, which seems the most logical direction.
There seems to be plenty of talent in the draft, moving up with our 1st pick and obtaining a further pick inside 25 would seem logical, but we don't seem to have much to trade with this year to achieve that outcome.

Agree on Fogarty & Ed Curnow not sure why the decision was not made with these two, Setterfield & Dow have something to offer unless we are going to get a pick under 30 which seems unlikely.

 

[Bletch]

Austin over the past 2 years has had no list management pressure. He has tinkered around the edges on draft day.
Picking 10, 28 and 64 will not provide enough scope to fill our list holes before this group enters the veteran stage.
Austin needs to throw the marbles against the wall and trade to achieve 5 picks in the top 40 by using future picks, taking on a salary dump or trading a player.

If we walk out with Acres and 3 draftees, that is a fail for mine

Trading out future picks is a terrible idea. And it's not just that next year's draft is rated higher than this year (although it likely is). We've deferred decisions on a number of players this year by handing out a few one-year contracts. We've done this because we don't have a great draft hand. To steal picks from next year will only put us in the same position again next year.

2022 Draft: Take 2, maybe 3 max.
2023: Try and buy another first round pick (from 2024's first); trade for another pick or two. Mini-clean out. Take about 4-5 picks at draft.
2024: 2 x F/S picks. Try and get a few extra picks in the 30s and 40s to pay for them.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Austin over the past 2 years has had no list management pressure. He has tinkered around the edges on draft day.
Picking 10, 28 and 64 will not provide enough scope to fill our list holes before this group enters the veteran stage.
Austin needs to throw the marbles against the wall and trade to achieve 5 picks in the top 40 by using future picks, taking on a salary dump or trading a player.

If we walk out with Acres and 3 draftees, that is a fail for mine

With all due respects I would suggest that if we go down that path (which looks the most likely option) the judgemental to whether it was a success or failure will be judged on how those players fare in the long run.

Do you actually mean that if we win the flag next year with #10 and pick #28 playing key roles and Acres winning the norm Smith you would consider our off season a failure?

Or are you just setting the ground to be able to complain?

 

[Jeremias]

Or are you just setting the ground to be able to complain?

I like rhetorical questions!

 

[Michael Jezz]

"Veteran stage"

We may only have 1 player over 30 on our list next season.

It is too late to fill list holes when our good players are 28+. We need to hit the draft hard now so the drafted players come of age when the stars are under 30

 

[Michael Jezz]

With all due respects I would suggest that if we go down that path (which looks the most likely option) the judgemental to whether it was a success or failure will be judged on how those players fare in the long run.

Do you actually mean that if we win the flag next year with #10 and pick #28 playing key roles and Acres winning the norm Smith you would consider our off season a failure?

Or are you just setting the ground to be able to complain?

I am saying we have too many list holes to fill to win a premiership and we need to fill them quickly. I find our supporter base incredibly complacent given we finished 9th and went 4 and 8 in the back half of the season. The club needs to run harder and the supporter base needs to demand more and stop sitting back and think things will fall into place

 

[Michael Jezz]

Lucky there's a draft next year....and the year after....and the year after....and trading to backfill gaps in the list profile.

Colour me surprised that you're already posturing to declare our offseason a failure.

You miss the point carlton needs to infuse the list with young talent that mature before curnow, mckay, cripps, weitering hit the veteran stage. We can not wait 2 or 3 drafts. It is later than you think

 

[Michael Jezz]

Not really sure how we are even close to the veteran stage. We were the younger team in 17/22 of our matches and on average were like the 5th or 6th youngest team all year.

Our best players are mid 20s. This years draftees will mature and fill list holes when curnow, mckay and cripps and writering are 28+. It is later than you think

 

[Michael Jezz]

That is not factual most of our top end players are 22-25, compare that to some of the better teams we are in a good place.
Our list overall is in good shape, just needs some finishing touches which is achievable in this draft & trade period.

Our list is far from a few finishing touches away from a premiership. It lacks transition class all over the park.Minimum we require: 1 attacking great kicking wingman, 1 outside mid 1 great kicking hard runnig half back flank, 1 key position back, 1 raynor, stuart dew type half fwd flank a better ruck. That is 4 or 5 players and we can not wait 2 or 3 drafts if they are to mature while our good players are under 30. Premiership windows open slowly but close fast

 

[Jeremias]

It is too late to fill list holes when our good players are 28+. We need to hit the draft hard now so the drafted players come of age when the stars are under 30

Time for a lie down mate. Too many beers today I reckon.

 

[macky99]

I am saying we have too many list holes to fill to win a premiership and we need to fill them quickly. I find our supporter base incredibly complacent given we finished 9th and went 4 and 8 in the back half of the season. The club needs to run harder and the supporter base needs to demand more and stop sitting back and think things will fall into place

l believe most of us have a different view to yourself, maybe you need to provide examples of how we can obtain picks inside 30 this year and giving away future picks in a strong draft does not seem a smart decision at all.

All very well to suggest this, but we need to give up something of value to achieve more picks.

 

[Arr0w]

List Management by MJ, who had Cripps finished as a footballer

 

[Blue__Balls]

You miss the point carlton needs to infuse the list with young talent that mature before curnow, mckay, cripps, weitering hit the veteran stage. We can not wait 2 or 3 drafts. It is later than you think

 

[AT97]

List Management by MJ, who had Cripps finished as a footballer

sell while he's on top at least we'll get the extra first round picks this year.

 

[Aphrodite]

You miss the point carlton needs to infuse the list with young talent that mature before curnow, mckay, cripps, weitering hit the veteran stage. We can not wait 2 or 3 drafts. It is later than you think

Oh wow we're doomed!

 

[Coona Blues]

OK. Just finished watching the latest game. While a few “question marks” promoted their prospects later in the draft, I have no reason to change my thinking for our first pick.

Hollands for mine for his run, work rate, skills and connection. Again the viable alternative is Jefferson, should we go tall, and we definitely need a developing tall forward. Very rounded, although skinny young key. Has the necessary traits along with a willingness to work hard up the ground. Will be slow burn physically, but if Harry and Charlie stay fit, that is no issue with that as we don’t need our next generation yet. TDK, JSOS and Kemp can provide adequate back up in the near future. We do need a decent tall forward in the twos though, maybe two. Can’t see Busslinger sliding that far, while excellent at aspects, I have a couple of reservations on Hayes (exposed when forced to play one on one late v Reid after being given licence to play as a virtual unaccountable interceptor). I also don’t think a young KPD is as big a priority as the other end. Weiters and Young a quality combo. Marchy, Gov, Kemp and a couple of others third talls and we have Sam Durdin

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Sam Durdin

Age

29

Ht

199cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

6.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

in the wings.

The second round will be dictated by sliders and whether we go tall or runner at our first. I am a little obsessed with grabbing SA key forward and very capable ruck pinch hitter Phoenix Foster with a later pick.

 

[Michael Jezz]

List Management by MJ, who had Cripps finished as a footballer

Yes I did but you leave out I had Le Giudace, Liddle and Teague out the door in 2020, when most were on the fence. You are still 3 years later convincing everyone, that it is all Roses by constantly moving your timeline forward. It is later than you think if you want to win a premiership

 

[Aphrodite]

Yes I did but you leave out I had Le Giudace, Liddle and Teague out the door in 2020, when most were on the fence. You are still 3 years later convincing everyone, that it is all Roses by constantly moving your timeline forward. It is later than you think if you want to win a premiership

Not for this thread M J!

 

[katmanblue]

With all due respects I would suggest that if we go down that path (which looks the most likely option) the judgemental to whether it was a success or failure will be judged on how those players fare in the long run.

Do you actually mean that if we win the flag next year with #10 and pick #28 playing key roles and Acres winning the norm Smith you would consider our off season a failure?

Or are you just setting the ground to be able to complain?

What are the odd of that happening?

On SM-F926B using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Arr0w]

Yes I did but you leave out I had Le Giudace, Liddle and Teague out the door in 2020, when most were on the fence. You are still 3 years later convincing everyone, that it is all Roses by constantly moving your timeline forward. It is later than you think if you want to win a premiership

Not moving any timeline Michael, I am very comfortable with our progression

 

[Michael Jezz]

Oh wow we're doomed!

My perspective is positive and proactive Go hard, Go aggressive and Go early at the draft. Most of the rest, and I assume yourself, take the passive, soft, standard 3 draft pick approach- which is closer to a negative view on club management.

 

[Aphrodite]

My perspective is positive and proactive Go hard, Go aggressive and Go early at the draft. Most of the rest, and I assume yourself, take the passive, soft, standard 3 draft pick approach- which is closer to a negative view on club management.

Don't ever assume or speak for others.
You are way off.


Back on topic thanks M J!