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List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft
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So the number of picks you take at a draft is indicative of how a person sees the effectiveness of a list?
Or perhaps we should have opened up an extra spot by trading Cripps because he was finished as a player
Seriously, we have people in roles that understand it better than anyone here
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Could you name said holes?
I think we are a key defender, 2 x quality small forwards, winger and a back up key position forward short. However we've got players to hopefully develop into these roles, going to the draft and bringing in Acres. I don't think our list is that far off. I think our issue is between the ears.
I'm not against looking at the value of a pick around our pick 10 this year versus what we get with our first rounder next year, with hope we might make the top 4. It might be a call to make on draft night if someone is still on the board that we like.
If carlton take more than 2 picks in the top 40 and improve our draft hand will that vindicate my view, in your opnion?
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One can only marvel at your infallibility. I thought the pope was at the pinnacle of the infallibility scale but you've got him well covered.
Michael, I not suggesting 2 pick in the top 40 is enough or not, same if it was 3 or 4 picks.
But, to improve our draft hand, a number of scenarios need to transpire. I enjoy a hypothetical scenario of how it could happen, but it needs to be realistic and the kicker, another side needs to benefit from a hypothetical trade
So, you are the list manager, how do we add extra picks in the top 40, and which kids ( happy for you to name a few in that range) would you draft
Then tell me what level of output these kids will have in 2023
"...All progress depends on the unreasonable man" George Bernard Shaw.
Yes we'll provide some examples of who of value we can trade to generate those picks otherwise the discussion is pointless.
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"I know more than everyone else" Michael Jezz.
Love to get Gruzewski, two fabulous marks in first quarter, with resultant goals. His marking reminding me of Bosustow in his heyday. Has terrific X-factor. He then kinda faded out ot the game, but with an AFL preseason behind him to get him ultra-fit could be a real star. I'm excited with him.
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I was impressed by him as well, at what pick is expected to go??
According to some of the phantom drafts, around our 2nd pick, but is apparently a bolter and may go earlier.
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Good Evening Ladies & Gentleman!
Currently undertaking as per usual, a mass Draft and Trade period coverage on my own channel and Blue Abroad!
Thought this may be of interest as it has never been done before! I will be doing pocket profiles of every player entering the AFL Draft, Starting with the combines and rounding up with those entered come lodgement date!
you can follow here!
will be doing 5 a day week days! taken 12 months of hard yakka so excited to share with you all!
Much Love Pommy
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Currently undertaking as per usual, a mass Draft and Trade period coverage on my own channel and Blue Abroad!
Thought this may be of interest as it has never been done before! I will be doing pocket profiles of every player entering the AFL Draft, Starting with the combines and rounding up with those entered come lodgement date!
you can follow here!
will be doing 5 a day week days! taken 12 months of hard yakka so excited to share with you all!
Much Love Pommy
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Toddled down to Docklands (Spiderpants Stadium) for a look at the game yesterday.
Cam McKenzie - Solid without being special. Reasonable endurance, but pace isn't anything to write home about. Not sure he provides anything we don't already have tbh so I'd look to spend our Pick elsewhere.
Will Ashcroft - He's an accumulator like Walsh & Rowell, but not quite in that class. Enormous endurance levels. Others will sail past him as they develop.
Darcy Edmends - Played a really good game finding the ball down back and running it up through the wing. Reasonable kick, makes good decisions, knows when to leave his man or when to stay, when to mark and when to spoil. Bit above average pace, but has good endurance and one who was able to continue running when others depleted their tank.
Elijah Tastas - Literally just came back after a very long injury layoff. Strong natural endurance as the longer the game went the more of a factor he became. Helped McKenzie & Ashcroft drag Metro across the line through willing the ball forwards by any means possible. Whoever drafts this kid will love him.
Caleb Windsor - I was really impressed with Windsor. Played a very similar role to Edmends and both complemented each other very well. Knows when to spoil and when to intercept, kicking is OK and decision-making is solid. Like Edmends, he isn't afraid to take off with the ball in hand to gain another 15-20 metres before passing it off to a team mate. You can't fit everyone into the the first 2 rounds, so this kid could well be a bargain for someone out in the 3rd Round. Me likey.
Lewis Hayes - Despite his height, he is only slightly built so I wouldn't expect him to play much, if at all in his first year. Will need a couple of years patience similar to what Geelong did SDK. Didn't do his draft chances any disservice yesterday. Good decision-maker with quality foot skills and reasonable pace.
Josh Weddle - Solid game without being spectacular. Alternated with Hayes on Cadman, but struggled on the taller opponent. Weddle is very competent at his role, has solid foot skills, is competitive in the air and plays within his limitations. Is very close to his AFL playing weight so I would query the amount of improvement he has left given he's unlikely to put on much size.
Matthew Jefferson - Was more impressed with him that I thought I'd be. Surprisingly competitive and nimble at ground level and doesn't need much more room than a shoebox to generate a shot at goal to create something from nothing.
Hayden O'Keefe - Good project ruck who'll take 4-5 years of development. Good pace without looking like he's lumbering around, solid overhead and reasonable kick. Copped some massive hits during this game, one in which you could literally hear the smack of contact around the entire ground, but he just shook them off and got on with it. 4th Round or Rookie.
Jaxon Binns - Absolute running machine and played a good game. Comfortably had the best endurance levels of anyone on the park. Does follow up for multiple possessions during a chain of play. Did hang onto the ball too long at times burning options further up the ground or forcing them to lead wide, but should learn from that with some astute coaching. Could also do with tidying up his kicking a little, but this is only a minor quibble in his case. It's by no means terrible or anything. Could go anywhere from mid 2nd to late 3rd.
Aaron Cadman - Easily to best KPF in the draft. Good in contested marking situations and good on the lead. Kicking action is solid and repeatable. Missed some shots by a small margin, which is nothing to worry about. Will be a big unit when he fills out.
Harley Reid - Reminds me of Luke Hodge in that you can play him anywhere, even at full-forward where he has absolutely no business belonging yet he is strong enough to hold out Hayes to take a contested mark. Also not afraid to give an opponent a clip around the ears or mousch when no one's looking so it wan't surprising to see him involved whenever there's a scuffle. Like Hodge he is a high impact per possession player wherever you put him and at this stage he'd have to be early favourite for No.1 Pick next year. He's what I'd call "a footballer's footballer".
Mitch Syzbkwoski - I've got this kid much higher than most on my draft board in that I think he's a Top 10-15 Pick all-day-everyday. I didn't see anything yesterday to dissuade my opinion. FWIW I think we've got plenty of inside mids so I'm not sure what we'd do with another.
Jonti Schubach - What you don't see on TV is how smart this kid is and how he sets up the back 6 at every bounce. Plays as a High Half Back about 25-30m behind the contest and then arranges others to cover should the ball get past him. Quite often intercepts the ball in the air or off the deck then dishes it off by hand or a sharp left foot kick to one of Binns, Hollands or Konstanty. Reads the play exceptionally well and knows where to position himself for best effect. Has nice pace, a reasonable tank, solid left foot kick that finds it mark more often than not and can stick a tackle when required. 3rd Round onwards.
Jacob Konstanty - Is Schubach's solar oppositie. He's a very similar style of player to Corey Durdin or Gryan Miers. Give we also have Owies, Martin, Motlop & Honey I'm not sure we need another small/medium forward. Works hard in conjunction with his midfield and will be a good pickup for someone in the late 1st or early 2nd Round.
Ollie Hollands - I finds Hollands a really hard one to pin down. For the amount of ball he gets, where he gets it and how he gets it, Hollands really needs to make more of an impact with his possessions. The thing that concerns me is that once he gets to the next level he'll have even less time with the ball to make an impact before someone stops him in his tracks. My point being, he's no Phillipou, which is probably why I have him out around the 20 mark. Kicking is accurate, speed is fine and at least he knows how to find the ball. His work rate off the ball for a lightly built kid was really good and sticking a tackle was never something he shied away from.
Bailey Humphrey - Doesn't have a tank, work-rate off the ball is abysmal and his kicking is atrocious. Can hold his ground in a marking contest is very solid overhead for his size. Has enough of a burst of pace to give him a couple of metres on his opponent which he's capable of maintaining. Do we really need another inside mid/forward who can't kick???
James van Es - Reminds me of Liam Jones, the proverbial bull in a china shop. Great attack on the ball in the air and takes off down the ground with absolutely no idea what to next. Looks awesome when it all comes off, but then the next contest he lets the ball get behind him in an aerial contest and his inability to kill the ball costs his team a goal. Kicking can be an issue when the rush of adrenalin takes over. Effort is not an issue with him, but his outcomes could cost him a spot on draft night.
Coby Burgiel - Very similar player to Hollands, but a bit more physically advanced, has a bit more presence and more impact around the ground.
Cam McKenzie - Solid without being special. Reasonable endurance, but pace isn't anything to write home about. Not sure he provides anything we don't already have tbh so I'd look to spend our Pick elsewhere.
Will Ashcroft - He's an accumulator like Walsh & Rowell, but not quite in that class. Enormous endurance levels. Others will sail past him as they develop.
Darcy Edmends - Played a really good game finding the ball down back and running it up through the wing. Reasonable kick, makes good decisions, knows when to leave his man or when to stay, when to mark and when to spoil. Bit above average pace, but has good endurance and one who was able to continue running when others depleted their tank.
Elijah Tastas - Literally just came back after a very long injury layoff. Strong natural endurance as the longer the game went the more of a factor he became. Helped McKenzie & Ashcroft drag Metro across the line through willing the ball forwards by any means possible. Whoever drafts this kid will love him.
Caleb Windsor - I was really impressed with Windsor. Played a very similar role to Edmends and both complemented each other very well. Knows when to spoil and when to intercept, kicking is OK and decision-making is solid. Like Edmends, he isn't afraid to take off with the ball in hand to gain another 15-20 metres before passing it off to a team mate. You can't fit everyone into the the first 2 rounds, so this kid could well be a bargain for someone out in the 3rd Round. Me likey.
Lewis Hayes - Despite his height, he is only slightly built so I wouldn't expect him to play much, if at all in his first year. Will need a couple of years patience similar to what Geelong did SDK. Didn't do his draft chances any disservice yesterday. Good decision-maker with quality foot skills and reasonable pace.
Josh Weddle - Solid game without being spectacular. Alternated with Hayes on Cadman, but struggled on the taller opponent. Weddle is very competent at his role, has solid foot skills, is competitive in the air and plays within his limitations. Is very close to his AFL playing weight so I would query the amount of improvement he has left given he's unlikely to put on much size.
Matthew Jefferson - Was more impressed with him that I thought I'd be. Surprisingly competitive and nimble at ground level and doesn't need much more room than a shoebox to generate a shot at goal to create something from nothing.
Hayden O'Keefe - Good project ruck who'll take 4-5 years of development. Good pace without looking like he's lumbering around, solid overhead and reasonable kick. Copped some massive hits during this game, one in which you could literally hear the smack of contact around the entire ground, but he just shook them off and got on with it. 4th Round or Rookie.
Jaxon Binns - Absolute running machine and played a good game. Comfortably had the best endurance levels of anyone on the park. Does follow up for multiple possessions during a chain of play. Did hang onto the ball too long at times burning options further up the ground or forcing them to lead wide, but should learn from that with some astute coaching. Could also do with tidying up his kicking a little, but this is only a minor quibble in his case. It's by no means terrible or anything. Could go anywhere from mid 2nd to late 3rd.
Aaron Cadman - Easily to best KPF in the draft. Good in contested marking situations and good on the lead. Kicking action is solid and repeatable. Missed some shots by a small margin, which is nothing to worry about. Will be a big unit when he fills out.
Harley Reid - Reminds me of Luke Hodge in that you can play him anywhere, even at full-forward where he has absolutely no business belonging yet he is strong enough to hold out Hayes to take a contested mark. Also not afraid to give an opponent a clip around the ears or mousch when no one's looking so it wan't surprising to see him involved whenever there's a scuffle. Like Hodge he is a high impact per possession player wherever you put him and at this stage he'd have to be early favourite for No.1 Pick next year. He's what I'd call "a footballer's footballer".
Mitch Syzbkwoski - I've got this kid much higher than most on my draft board in that I think he's a Top 10-15 Pick all-day-everyday. I didn't see anything yesterday to dissuade my opinion. FWIW I think we've got plenty of inside mids so I'm not sure what we'd do with another.
Jonti Schubach - What you don't see on TV is how smart this kid is and how he sets up the back 6 at every bounce. Plays as a High Half Back about 25-30m behind the contest and then arranges others to cover should the ball get past him. Quite often intercepts the ball in the air or off the deck then dishes it off by hand or a sharp left foot kick to one of Binns, Hollands or Konstanty. Reads the play exceptionally well and knows where to position himself for best effect. Has nice pace, a reasonable tank, solid left foot kick that finds it mark more often than not and can stick a tackle when required. 3rd Round onwards.
Jacob Konstanty - Is Schubach's solar oppositie. He's a very similar style of player to Corey Durdin or Gryan Miers. Give we also have Owies, Martin, Motlop & Honey I'm not sure we need another small/medium forward. Works hard in conjunction with his midfield and will be a good pickup for someone in the late 1st or early 2nd Round.
Ollie Hollands - I finds Hollands a really hard one to pin down. For the amount of ball he gets, where he gets it and how he gets it, Hollands really needs to make more of an impact with his possessions. The thing that concerns me is that once he gets to the next level he'll have even less time with the ball to make an impact before someone stops him in his tracks. My point being, he's no Phillipou, which is probably why I have him out around the 20 mark. Kicking is accurate, speed is fine and at least he knows how to find the ball. His work rate off the ball for a lightly built kid was really good and sticking a tackle was never something he shied away from.
Bailey Humphrey - Doesn't have a tank, work-rate off the ball is abysmal and his kicking is atrocious. Can hold his ground in a marking contest is very solid overhead for his size. Has enough of a burst of pace to give him a couple of metres on his opponent which he's capable of maintaining. Do we really need another inside mid/forward who can't kick???
James van Es - Reminds me of Liam Jones, the proverbial bull in a china shop. Great attack on the ball in the air and takes off down the ground with absolutely no idea what to next. Looks awesome when it all comes off, but then the next contest he lets the ball get behind him in an aerial contest and his inability to kill the ball costs his team a goal. Kicking can be an issue when the rush of adrenalin takes over. Effort is not an issue with him, but his outcomes could cost him a spot on draft night.
Coby Burgiel - Very similar player to Hollands, but a bit more physically advanced, has a bit more presence and more impact around the ground.
Just my unabashed, uneducated and unnerving opinion after watching the U18 final on Kayo replay earlier.
IMO - There was a lot of passengers who didn’t do their chances a lot of good. Some players were played out of position which didn’t help them also - read Hustwaite played as a big back. Players not really mentioned that I liked outside the obvious -
Vic Metro - Penny, Pascu, McDonald, O’Keefe.
Vic Country - Gallagher, Emile-Brennan, Clohesy, Vickery.
Reid is special. Harvey will be very good.
IMO - There was a lot of passengers who didn’t do their chances a lot of good. Some players were played out of position which didn’t help them also - read Hustwaite played as a big back. Players not really mentioned that I liked outside the obvious -
Vic Metro - Penny, Pascu, McDonald, O’Keefe.
Vic Country - Gallagher, Emile-Brennan, Clohesy, Vickery.
Reid is special. Harvey will be very good.
I would trade a future first which will be about pick 12-14 next year for a pick in the early 20s and one in the late 20s based on the premise we have specific players in mind and the draft is even.
Also I would trade one of marchbank, mcgovern or kemp if the deal was right for a pick between 25 and 35.
Only side that has picks in that range is WC and we would want more for giving up a future 1st
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Must think we are having a down year?
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Ive seen Hollands rated as late teens and Arrow believes he’s a bit of a reach at 10, would we gain anything substantial by trading down 2-3 spots to grab Hollands?
Its a concern we don’t have anything of KPF style in the 2s but is it wise to draft a type that couldn’t do exist with what we currently have? Could Jefferson play alongside Harry and Charlie?
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Ok you want more picks, give the how?
Currently Setterfield doesn’t have a contract, my thought is he will be traded, possibly with our 4th rounder, I would also be open to trading a future 2nd for one of GC high seconds, I don’t see it as a big issue and we could always get a 3rd round pick back next year to soften the blow.
Have watched a bit of Hollands now. He’s a lovely footballer. Two massive strengths: two way running and hands below knees. Disposal and decision making also very good.
He’s built like an outside player but plays his best inside. He doesn’t really get pushed off the ball but am a little worried about his body shape.
Not quite sure about his acceleration off the mark.
Wouldn’t be upset to see him picked at 11 at all.
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