Play Nice 2022 Non AFL Crowds/Ratings/Finance/Development thread

[clarkoscluster]

A) Is it currently always a sellout? (Asking, I don’t know)

B) If the venue is already at capacity but there is a further increased demand for tix regardless (ie sells out even faster than previously) that can most certainly be a factor in a leagues forward planning.

I dunno, I’m just spitballing here.

Usually gets 81-83k which is an effective sellout. Lowest besides 2020 which had a 40k capacity due to covid was 79k for an all interstate grand final.

 

[Cmarsh]

NRL CEO says NRL Commission wants to have 18 teams by 2028.

 

[RedV3x]

It would sell the game better than a SOO game IMO.

The S.O.O. is often purported to be the pinnacle event.

 

[Gigantor]

Usually gets 81-83k which is an effective sellout. Lowest besides 2020 which had a 40k capacity due to covid was 79k for an all interstate grand final.

Yeh, but more often than not they are selling tickets at the gate right up to kick off

 

[Rob]

The S.O.O. is often purported to be the pinnacle event.

That's the problem though - it doesn't promote the NRL at all because it's a higher level. Same reason a good test match doesn't have people flocking to the sheffield shield.

 

[RedV3x]

That's the problem though - it doesn't promote the NRL at all because it's a higher level. Same reason a good test match doesn't have people flocking to the sheffield shield.

It would sell the game better than a SOO game IMO.

S.O.O., NRL and the "game' are three different things.
Just like I prefer Australian Football to AFL.

 

[Rob]

S.O.O., NRL and the "game' are three different things.
Just like I prefer Australian Football to AFL.

That is true, but for rugby league the game is mostly the NRL. That's the primary product they should be trying to promote.

 

[RedV3x]

That is true, but for rugby league the game is mostly the NRL. That's the primary product they should be trying to promote.

The AFL is the "keeper of the code" and thus we have a lot of laws that are totally unsuitable for football other than AFL.
Being an Northern English game I suspect that NRL is not the head honcho.

 

[Kwality]

That's the problem though - it doesn't promote the NRL at all because it's a higher level. Same reason a good test match doesn't have people flocking to the sheffield shield.

The marketplace made that decision not the NRL.
Its a very different business model compared to the AFL & it accomodates its big TV markets up the east coast.

 

[weewilly]

The marketplace made that decision not the NRL.
Its a very different business model compared to the AFL & it accomodates its big TV markets up the east coast.

Don't you mean its TWO east coast NRL TV markets NSW and QLD? WA,Vic,SA and Tasmania are crap rating figures most of the season!

 

[Aussie in exile]

NRL players to receive up to $350,000 in back pay

Christmas in August: NRL players to receive up to $350,000 in backpay

NRL players are set to receive 78 per cent of the money they sacrificed the past three seasons, while Origin players will also take home a bonus.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Rob]

The marketplace made that decision not the NRL.
Its a very different business model compared to the AFL & it accomodates its big TV markets up the east coast.

I'm don't care about the business model, I'm just saying that SoO games played outside the heartland do very little for the NRL. Might even damage the NRL.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I'm don't care about the business model, I'm just saying that SoO games played outside the heartland do very little for the NRL. Might even damage the NRL.

The crowd at Perth this year suggests there would be interest in putting a NRL club there.
With the NRL Grand Final going on the road next year they will be testing the water for the next NRL club.

 

[Rob]

The crowd at Perth this year suggests there would be interest in putting a NRL club there.

That's my point though - it's not. Nobody plays the game here, and the numbers watching NRL on 9 are miniscule. Why is it 60k will rock up to Optus for an origin game, 100k will watch it on TV but days later just 5k will watch the NRL on 9?

A grand final though, that might have an effect. That's at least the same product. But without a team over here it doesn't give the sport much chance.

 

[jatz14]

The crowd at Perth this year suggests there would be interest in putting a NRL club there.
With the NRL Grand Final going on the road next year they will be testing the water for the next NRL club.

Novelty events stop being a novelty event, when its no longer novel. You would get 5 - 10 000 hard core supporters, and then the curiosity seekers, casuals, bandwagoners on top.

 

[RedV3x]

I'm don't care about the business model, I'm just saying that SoO games played outside the heartland do very little for the NRL.

Except probably a feel-good glow for some.

Might even damage the NRL.

Yes, you risk losing some fans like Superleague supposedly did.

 

[Aussie in exile]

That's my point though - it's not. Nobody plays the game here, and the numbers watching NRL on 9 are miniscule. Why is it 60k will rock up to Optus for an origin game, 100k will watch it on TV but days later just 5k will watch the NRL on 9?

A grand final though, that might have an effect. That's at least the same product. But without a team over here it doesn't give the sport much chance.

A NRL playing out of Perth would change that

 

[madmug]

The crowd at Perth this year suggests there would be interest in putting a NRL club there.
With the NRL Grand Final going on the road next year they will be testing the water for the next NRL club.

They had a Perth team called Western Reds in the Australian Rugby League in 1992. They joined the breakaway Super League as the Perth Reds. They averaged 13k at games, That franchise was 'killed' off at the end of the Rugby League Wars.

Point being, how stupid was the NRL to not keep that team? Given that a lot of Poms & South Africans live in Perth.

I can't imagine NRL expansion wouldn't be back into Perth. Where else could it be, Ipswich, North Sydney Bears again, Wagga Wagga?

 

[RedV3x]

They averaged 13k at games

For the first year then went to 8k.

 

[madmug]

For the first year then went to 8k.

I think all the ARL crowds had shrunk by the end of the Rugby League wars. 1996 average H&A was 11458. Perth Reds ave 8262. Not even the worst ave!!

 

[Rob]

A NRL playing out of Perth would change that

Dunno, but it would at least give the game a chance.

But it would require a GWS style commitment from the NRL. Something they're not reknown for doing. Rugby league really is a non entity over here - I've heard Newcastle described as the largest AFL backwater, yet there are significantly less Rugby league players in Perth than there are Aussie Rules players in Newcastle. And Perth is 4 times the size.

 

[RedV3x]

I think all the ARL crowds had shrunk by the end of the Rugby League wars.

Why would that be a factor in Perth that has no r.l. history ?

Perth Reds ave 8262. Not even the worst ave!!

So by that reasoning GWS is a raging success !

 

[madmug]

Dunno, but it would at least give the game a chance.

But it would require a GWS style commitment from the NRL. Something they're not reknown for doing. Rugby league really is a non entity over here - I've heard Newcastle described as the largest AFL backwater, yet there are significantly less Rugby league players in Perth than there are Aussie Rules players in Newcastle. And Perth is 4 times the size.

Almost 60k at the last RL SOO game in Perth says something about potential support for a team. Maybe they could average 12-15K?

 

[Rob]

Almost 60k at the last RL SOO game in Perth says something about potential support for a team.

No, it doesn't.

Manchester United drew 60k last month as well, does that say anything about support for Perth Glory?

 

[RedV3x]

Almost 60k at the last RL SOO game in Perth says something about potential support for a team.

You don't know Perth at all. The people of Perth will rock up to an event more than the three biggest cities
but that's where it tends to end. Anecdotal evidence suggests many wont return for a repeat.

NRL ratings in Perth are dismal and what is more dismal is that the opposition on FTA is even more dismal.
The impetus that drove the Western Reds is long gone. Those "Eastern-staters" have long gone or their kids are playing AFL now.
The local league has shrunk (women excluded) not expanded.
Unless the NRL is going to budget a fortune on the Pirates their ship will sink.