List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[BrutThough]

They traded him for one of the most one sided deals in recent history...

They also kept him the first year he asked for a trade.

 

[sunny3193]

How the big deals of the AFL trade period get done​

It’s your turn to be an AFL list manager. Check out our verdict on how the major trades of 2022 will get done and then have your say on what each club should swap.

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September 20, 2022 - 7:21AM
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It is set to be a bumper trade period.
But how will the deals get done?
Players are starting to tell their current clubs of where they would like to play in 2023.
But that is only the start of what is about to happen.
Here are some of the deals that are already underway, and how they might get done.

Josh Dunkley (Western Bulldgos) to Brisbane​

This could be one of the hardest deals to get done.
Dunkley wants to go to the Lions, but Brisbane’s draft hand is going to be a complicated one.
The Lions currently have picks 15, 33, 44 and 69 and could secure second-round compensation for Dan McStay when he joins Collingwood.

But the Lions will need to match picks for father-son prospects Will Ashcroft, who is expected to go No. 1, and Jaspa Fletcher - with a bid likely to come in the teens.
Right now the Lions draft hand gives them 2086 points and if a bid comes in for Ashcroft from North Melbourne at No. 1 they will need 2400 points to take him.
If the Lions get pick 34 for McStay, that plus 15, 33 and 44 would give Brisbane enough points for Ashcroft.
They then need to find points to match a bid for Fletcher and then have a draft hand big enough to get Dunkley.
The Dogs will want more than a first-round pick for Dunkley and the Lions could be in points deficit with their 2023 first-rounder.
The Lions are going to have to get creative and either will have to shed players or split a pick such as 33.
Verdict: Brisbane’s 2023 first-rounder and a 2022 second-round pick either 33 or if it is part of the Ashcroft points haul another that the Lions will have to find.

Dunkley wants to become a Lion. Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images

What gets the Dunkley deal done?​

First-round pick
Two first-round picks
First-round + second-round pick
First-round + a player
Cast your vote

Izak Rankine (Gold Coast) to Adelaide​

The Crows might not want to, but their first round pick looks like it will have to be at the centre of any deal with the Suns for Rankine.
As well as No. 5 the Crows have picks 23 and 77 but they do need to have enough points to secure a father-son prospect of their own in Max Michalanney.
There was hope that the Crows could include Matt Crouch in a deal, but there isn’t the interest from the Suns, so Adelaide will have to cough up picks.
The Suns have access to highly-touted key forward in Jed Walter next year so they might want 2023 picks to secure him in the draft, which could allow the Crows to keep their first pick in this year’s draft.
Either way, it is looking like a first and a second-round pick from the Crows, with the years of those specific picks to be determined, will be what is required to get a deal done.
VERDICT
Option 1: Crows first pick in 2022 (currently 5) and a 2023 second rounder.
Option 2: Crows second round pick in 2022 (currently 23) and first round pick in 2023.

Adelaide will have to strike a deal with Gold Coast for Izak Rankine Picture: Chris Hyde/Getty Images

What gets the Rankine deal done?​

First-round pick
First-round + second-round pick
Two first-round picks
First-round pick + a player
Cast your vote

Luke Jackson (Melbourne) to Fremantle​

Has requested a trade back to Western Australia and while West Coast have the better draft hand, Fremantle are in the box seat to get the young gun ruck/forward.
Melbourne wants two top 10 picks for the 2021 Rising Star winner but right now Fremantle’s first pick is at No. 13.
The Dockers’ next pick is at 72 but their draft hand is set to be bolstered considerably with five players set to depart.
But the Demons are unlikely to want the later picks the Dockers will likely get for some of their fringe players.
They might not get two top 10 picks for Jackson, but the Demons should be able to make Fremantle pay up for the young star.
Verdict: Dockers first-round pick in 2022 (currently 13) and 2023 first-round pick.

Is Jackson worth two top 10 picks? Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

What gets the Jackson deal done?​

First-round pick
Two first-round picks
First-round + second-round pick
Cast your vote

Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) to Melbourne​

Another tough one, especially since there has been no indication of what Collingwood might want for the gun ruckman.
Grundy is a two-time All-Australian, but the Pies want his big contract off their books so they shouldn’t be able to demand a big haul for Grundy.
It means the Demons could get the 28-year-old at a cut-price deal from a pick perspective, given they will still have to pay some of Grundy’s big salary, despite the haul they should get for Jackson.
Maybe one of the first round picks Fremantle will give the Demons for Jackson could be the best the Pies get, but this might be overs for a player they want off their books.
The Demons do have picks 32, 41, 50, 63, 68, 86 and those first two could be what gets the deal done.
VERDICT
Option 1: Fremantle’s 2023 first-round pick
Option 2: Melbourne’s 2022 second-round pick (currently 32) and third-round pick (41 tied to Adelaide)

What gets Grundy deal done?​

First-round pick
Second-round pick
Two second-round picks
Second-round + third-round pick
Cast your vote

Can the Demons get brodie Grundy for cheap? Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Junior Rioli (West Coast) to Port Adelaide​

The Eagles might be fuming that Rioli wants to go to the Power, despite West Coast standing by him during his two-year suspension for tampering with a urine sample.
But it is a good opportunity for a rebuilding West Coast to get an extra decent draft pick.
The Eagles already have the Power’s second-round pick this year, but Port should get another when Karl Amon goes to Hawthorn as a free agent.
That should be enough to get Rioli to Alberton, with the Eagles premiership player not worth anything more than a second-round pick at 27-years-old.
The Power need a small forward with Robbie Gray and Steven Motlop retired, combined with Orazio Fantasia’s injury issues.
Giving up the pick they get for Amon should be a no-brainer for the Power given this hole on their list.
Verdict: The Karl Amon compensation pick Port Adelaide will receive, likely in the second round.

Junior Rioli is set to end up at Alberton. Picture: Morgan Hancock/Getty Images

What gets the Rioli deal done?​

Amon compensation (likely early second-round)
First-round pick
Second-round pick + a player
Cast your vote

Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper (GWS) to Richmond​

The Giants want to get two first rounders, and that is just for Hopper let alone a player in Taranto who won GWS’ Kevin Sheedy Medal in 2019.
Hopper is still under contract, which does explain in part the Giants high price, while Taranto is out of contract.
The Tigers have 12, 19 and 30 in this year’s draft but are likely to have to give up more to get the two Giants to Melbourne.
A player might have to head to Sydney, while Richmond’s 2023 first-round pick might have to be on the table.
It is likely going to be a substantial package the Tigers have to stump up to get the two Giants, but they would be thinking it will be worth it.
Verdict: 12, 19 and Richmond’s 2023 first-round pick and a player.

What gets the Taranto + Hopper deal done?​

Two first-round picks
Three first-round picks
Three first-round picks + a player
Three first-round + second-round pick
Two first-round picks + a player
Cast your vote

Tanner Bruhn (GWS) to Geelong​

The 12th pick from the 2020 Draft wants to return to the Geelong region and the Cats should get the young gun without too much trouble.
The Giants are likely to ask for the one first-round pick for Bruhn, who has shown upside as a midfield-forward hybrid.
The Cats first-round pick for this year is at No. 18.
The Giants might try and get the Cats’ first-round pick from next year, and hope Geelong doesn’t make the grand final again.
Verdict: Geelong’s 2023 first-round pick

Bruhn wants to leave the Giants. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

What gets the Bruhn deal done?​

First-round pick
Second-round pick
Second-round pick + a player
Two second-round picks
Cast your vote


Rory Lobb (Fremantle) to the Western Bulldogs
Lobb needs to convince the Dockers to let him go to the Bulldogs despite a year on his contract.
If he can then it shouldn’t be too hard of a deal for the Bulldogs to get done with a second-round pick, either this years or next years, likely to secure Lobb.
The 2022 selection is at 29 and could slide into the 30s.
But the Dockers will need picks this year to help them get Jackson and this second-round pick could be a valuable one for them.
Verdict: Bulldogs 2022 second-round pick (currently 29).

What gets the Lobb deal done?​

First-round pick
Second-round pick
Third-round pick
Cast your vote

Billy Frampton is out of contract at the Crows. Picture: Getty Images
Billy Frampton (Adelaide) to Collingwood
Frampton wants to go to Collingwood, which would be his third AFL club.
He is out of contract so the Crows are willing to let him go.
This will ease the list squeeze the Crows currently have and would also help them match a bid for Michalanney.
Collingwood has three picks in the third round - 42 (tied to Hawthorn), 47 (tied to the Bulldogs) and 48 (tied to Richmond).

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One of those should get the deal done.

Simeon needs an orthodontist.

 

[D2D3]

Because we have made him available

It's very different to the Papley, Gibbs, Hill etc situations where a club really wants to keep him

It's much closer to the Josh Bruce situation from a few years back

If we were so hung about about his talent and contract situation we wouldn't be telling clubs he's gettable

Then we're ****ing idiots and need to stop. At what point do we realise selling our players for unders is getting us nowhere. Surely at some point someone walks into the trade room and asks the guys in charge of that department what they think they are doing.

 

[BrutThough]

For everyone demanding that Clark is worth the world,

How much would you want to pay for a half-back from another club whose missed most of the past 2 seasons with injuries, had a few reoccurring groin issues and when he has played recently, been average?

I'd wager our list managers would be considered idiots and overpaying we paid a top 10 pick and 2nd rounder like the Cerra deal was.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Decision time approaching for in-demand Saint

Saint Hunter Clark’s playing future will soon be decided as opposition clubs circle and the trade period rapidly approaches. But why is St Kilda willing to give him up?

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We fold as a club or move to tassie if it's a future 2nd. Bloke has to have been caught with meth if we're trading him for that

He doesn’t wanna leave is what I heard today

 

[D2D3]

For everyone demanding that Clark is worth the world,

How much would you want to pay for a half-back from another club whose missed most of the past 2 seasons with injuries, had a few reoccurring groin issues and when he has played recently, been average?

I'd wager our list managers would be considered idiots and overpaying we paid a top 10 pick and 2nd rounder like the Cerra deal was.

He's a pick 7 who is 24 and contracted and mostly missed the last 2 years to injury. We've paid more for less.

 

[BrutThough]

He's a pick 7 who is 24 and contracted and mostly missed the last 2 years to injury. We've paid more for less.

We overpaid for Hill but he was also a lot better than Clark has been so far.

 

[bird_man]

Then we're ****ing idiots and need to stop. At what point do we realise selling our players for unders is getting us nowhere. Surely at some point someone walks into the trade room and asks the guys in charge of that department what they think they are doing.

Agree,

Unfortunately I think we are in too deep now

Very little chance we keep him

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Agree,

Unfortunately I think we are in too deep now

Very little chance we keep him

Especially when we clubs are planning to meet with him. Can’t believe this.

 

[bird_man]

For everyone demanding that Clark is worth the world,

How much would you want to pay for a half-back from another club whose missed most of the past 2 seasons with injuries, had a few reoccurring groin issues and when he has played recently, been average?

I'd wager our list managers would be considered idiots and overpaying we paid a top 10 pick and 2nd rounder like the Cerra deal was.

Just shows what a stupid decision it was to make him available while he was at his lowest value.

The whole thing is embarrassing

 

[stavro#4]

Did he read bigfooty when writing this article?

“There is also a belief the 68-gamer can be too comfortable at times and won’t realise his potential at St Kilda.”

 

[Mowman]

Then we're ****ing idiots and need to stop. At what point do we realise selling our players for unders is getting us nowhere. Surely at some point someone walks into the trade room and asks the guys in charge of that department what they think they are doing.

Seem to be out of the depth

 

[BrutThough]

Just shows what a stupid decision it was to make him available while he was at his lowest value.

The whole thing is embarrassing

We always talk about wanting to improve the list yet a meltdown occurs when someone who can barely get on the field might be traded.

The calls to cancel memberships and step away from football over it seem a lot more embarrassing than any rumour currently doing the rounds.

 

[Joffaboy]

Agree,

Unfortunately I think we are in too deep now

Very little chance we keep him

Please explain how we are in too deep?

All we have to say is 'no thats not good enough'

Please help me explain why we HAVE to give up a contracted player?

As St.C said if we give him up for anything less than the Cerra deal, Gallagher is cooked and should be sacked.

This embracing of mediocrity has to stop. No wonder we can't get into the 8 and are in no mans land.

We have a contracted player some want to sell off for peanuts. If we do i am just about done with these people.

 

[luca77]

For everyone demanding that Clark is worth the world,

How much would you want to pay for a half-back from another club whose missed most of the past 2 seasons with injuries, had a few reoccurring groin issues and when he has played recently, been average?

I'd wager our list managers would be considered idiots and overpaying we paid a top 10 pick and 2nd rounder like the Cerra deal was.

Can you tell me more about these recurring groin issues?
They sound pretty debilitating! How many games would you say he's missed in the last 2 years as a result?

Any connection between the average form and missing most of the past 2 seasons? None? OK.

Remind me not to ask you to sell me house for me.

 

[bird_man]

We always talk about wanting to improve the list yet a meltdown occurs when someone who can barely get on the field might be traded.

The calls to cancel memberships and step away from football over it seem a lot more embarrassing than any rumour currently doing the rounds.

Come off it mate. He's missed games because of knocks, it's not as though he's got a history of soft tissue injuries.

You don't have to defend everything the club does.

I doubt you were calling for Clark to be traded for a late teens pick 2 weeks ago.

Not sure how that improves our list?

 

[CursingFijian]

Clark for a future second and I'm officially taking a step back. Will somehow train myself to not give a f*ck about this stupid club lmao

You could get a shiny new name though? MaxKingsMow? MasonsWood?

 

[Joffaboy]

We always talk about wanting to improve the list yet a meltdown occurs when someone who can barely get on the field might be traded.

The calls to cancel memberships and step away from football over it seem a lot more embarrassing than any rumour currently doing the rounds.

Why do you want to give away a talented player for nothing?

Have we learned nothing from MCEvoy, Dal Santo, Goddard, even Hickey? We get bugger all in return and lose a good player.

What is embarrassing is this embrace of mediocrity where we think a second rounder will improve the list while selling off a top ten dp who can't get on the field because of facial fractures and a broken shoulder.

I don't want him to go, but if he does it has to improve the list not some crackpot firesale of a CONTRACTRED player

This place FMD

 

[_Maximus_12]

2 weeks ago, I had the best mail possible that he wasn’t on the move, and didn’t want to leave. A lot can happen in two weeks, but given he’s contracted and has to agree to it I’d be surprised if that stance has changed

 

[malevu]

How anyone can judge Clark on his last two injury ruined seasons is beyond me.

Use Cripps as an example. Last year many commentators were saying he was washed up and playing like an old man with his back injury. Some were calling for him to relinquish the captaincy to Walsh. Fast forward 12 months and a fully fit Cripps has just won the Brownlow.

No way would I trade Clark until he's had a good run at it. I don't want to see him go elsewhere and play 150-200 games for another club.

I've heard that tune too many times already.

 

[Barrels]

For what it’s worth. I think you blokes make good hot dogs.

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Aptly named bloke, ain’t he…

Sh*t as we may be, currently and historically, we’re still more relevant than Norf.

They’re the beige of the AFL. Inoffensive, bland, and totally ****ing irrelevant.

 

[bird_man]

Please explain how we are in too deep?

All we have to say is 'no thats not good enough'

Please help me explain why we HAVE to give up a contracted player?

As St.C said if we give him up for anything less than the Cerra deal, Gallagher is cooked and should be sacked.

This embracing of mediocrity has to stop. No wonder we can't get into the 8 and are in no mans land.

We have a contracted player some want to sell off for peanuts. If we do i am just about done with these people.

Mate, we aren't getting anything close to the Cerra deal

That is living in a dream world.

I've explained it many times now.

We've told clubs he's available. Unless the people running the show are completely stupid we would have to no that no club is offering pick 6 for him.

So if we know that clubs won't value him that high, why would we be telling them he's available??

I'm sure we know exactly what clubs will be willing to pay for him and we will be happy to accept it, otherwise we wouldn't be dangling the carrot

 

[PoppedCorn]

it's nice when a pick of danielle laidley pops up, helps identify the boomers on the board

Yeah
Because its only boomers that say things that others disagree with

 

[BrutThough]

Can you tell me more about these recurring groin issues?
They sound pretty debilitating! How many games would you say he's missed in the last 2 years as a result?

Any connection between the average form and missing most of the past 2 seasons? None? OK.

Remind me not to ask you to sell me house for me.

Had a groin flare mid way through last year and it happened again late this year.

These are the types of things opposition clubs will be factoring in when assessing his value.

 

[Drop Kick]

You could get a shiny new name though? MaxKingsMow? MasonsWood?

Masonswood, that's a lot different to liking a headband.