Analysis 2023 Draft Watch

[Bletch]

CT has 3 GC academy kids plus Croft and McCabe ranked before our first pick. Which would send our picks back to 27 and 30. Archer Reid and Taylor Goad in his list - not that we're likely to take either, not high on our needs.

 

[carlton_99]

Can we draft Phoenix Gothard please? I have no idea if he's any good but that's a seriously awesome name. Best since Viojo-Rainbow.

Would just be another thing for BT to mention during our games

 

[Stamos]

CT has 3 GC academy kids plus Croft and McCabe ranked before our first pick. Which would send our picks back to 27 and 30. Archer Reid and Taylor Goad in his list - not that we're likely to take either, not high on our needs.

3 rucks and a key forward in our range

 

[Blue__Balls]

I get more John Noble vibes. I rate him highly. He's kicking is average, not terrible. Also Doc just turned 30, Saad and Williams are 29. Wouldn't hurt to plan ahead.

Cal has him at 21 now in his power rankings also. Clubs rate him just outside the first round it seems.

Behind Doc, Saad and Williams we have Cincotta, Boyd, Cowan, Duffy and in the near future L. Camporeale.

I'm not against recruiting a line-breaking HBF, but I don't think this is the year to do it given we have more significant gaps on the depth chart elsewhere. If anything, I think it might be the kind of role we shop around fir via trade/free agency in a couple of years time.

 

[Blue__Balls]

CT has 3 GC academy kids plus Croft and McCabe ranked before our first pick. Which would send our picks back to 27 and 30. Archer Reid and Taylor Goad in his list - not that we're likely to take either, not high on our needs.

Note that while Twomey has a good track record of nailing the draft order, that's not what this ranking is. It's purely his top 30 on ability, not club needs/preferences. We'll get his phantom draft in a few weeks time which will hopefully give us a better indication of which players clubs are eyeing off, and by extension which ones we may have access to (or a preference for).

 

[Coona Blues]

Can we draft Phoenix Gothard please? I have no idea if he's any good but that's a seriously awesome name. Best since Viojo-Rainbow.

Would be “ecstatic” if we called him out on draft night. Small forward with all the skills and athleticism to tick all of the necessary boxes for the role. While others got the glory, he played a significant role in the Allies’ domination of the carnival.
Definitely in the (our) mix for mine.

 

[Pablito]

Behind Doc, Saad and Williams we have Cincotta, Boyd, Cowan, Duffy and in the near future L. Camporeale.

I'm not against recruiting a line-breaking HBF, but I don't think this is the year to do it given we have more significant gaps on the depth chart elsewhere. If anything, I think it might be the kind of role we shop around fir via trade/free agency in a couple of years time.

Fair call, Cowan though plays taller for me, Duffy is a long shot (at this stage) and Lucas is more of a wingman from what I've read.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Both probably gone by then.

Really?
One maybe, but not both - there's a lot of good players at this range. It really depends on each club's need are and therefore will rank the players differently. Not everyone wants best available.

 

[JuddgementDay]

What is Shaun Mannagh's range - can we rookie him?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Fair call, Cowan though plays taller for me, Duffy is a long shot (at this stage) and Lucas is more of a wingman from what I've read.

Yeah, my thinking is that any draftee is a long shot.

I'd liken Cowan to Doc, Boyd to Saad and Cincotta to Williams.
Duffy could be anything or nothing, but we have to put the development time into him or there was no point picking him up.
Lucas is playing wing at the moment, but given we've got Hollands and Binns looking like strong options there for the long term, plus Acres in the short term and Cottrell as a rotation, I wouldn't be surprised to see us pencil him in as an attacking half back.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Would be “ecstatic” if we called him out on draft night. Small forward with all the skills and athleticism to tick all of the necessary boxes for the role. While others got the glory, he played a significant role in the Allies’ domination of the carnival.
Definitely in the (our) mix for mine.

Like him as a player but not sure if he's any better than Durdin in that same role as a pressure forward. Imo we need more genuine options to goal which may mean he gets kept out by Owies, Motlop and Cuningham, who are more regular goal kickers but also the parts of our fwd line we need to address due to some of their deficiencies.

If we were to bring him in I'd be hoping its because we had a ready to go goal kicker lined up for the end of 2024 such as Tyson Stengle, Liam Ryan, Zac Bailey etc. Either that or we found a way to trade up for Caddy who provides us a quality 3rd option next to H and Charles.

 

[bmaurizio]

Collard and or Edwards would be great outcome and a Tall KPD with some potential wouldn’t go astray either.
Go Blues

 

[Bletch]

Really?
One maybe, but not both - there's a lot of good players at this range. It really depends on each club's need are and therefore will rank the players differently. Not everyone wants best available.

Perhaps. But don't forget to allow for the academy and f/s picks. Our first pick likely to be 26-28 range unless we trade up.

 

[Matty411]

Now Elijah is on board, can I ask what makes so many on here want small to medium forwards with one both of our picks? Genuine question as I think our depth is now pretty good in that area as we saw around the finals.

 

[Stamos]

Now Elijah is on board, can I ask what makes so many on here want small to medium forwards with one both of our picks? Genuine question as I think our depth is now pretty good in that area as we saw around the finals.

We're still lacking genuine speed.

 

[gandaal]

Now Elijah is on board, can I ask what makes so many on here want small to medium forwards with one both of our picks? Genuine question as I think our depth is now pretty good in that area as we saw around the finals.

Bingo. We just go for the best available player, whatever they happen to be.

Probably don't need another ruck prospect though.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Now Elijah is on board, can I ask what makes so many on here want small to medium forwards with one both of our picks? Genuine question as I think our depth is now pretty good in that area as we saw around the finals.

To date, we haven't got a good small forward that can take advantage of the spills from Harry and CC.
If we get another small fwd it would help

Of course, I'm hoping for Motlop and Durdin to come on this year - but, it wouldn't hurt to have another option

So either Collard (#28) or Mannagh (late pick/ rookie) for me.
Pick #22 one of Tholstrup or CEwards

 

[Blue__Balls]

Now Elijah is on board, can I ask what makes so many on here want small to medium forwards with one both of our picks? Genuine question as I think our depth is now pretty good in that area as we saw around the finals.

Depends whether we view EH as a forward 50 specialist long term, or if he's just starting there and building up to a mid role.

If the former, sure, can probably address other areas. If the latter, we may still want to look at a forward 50 option in the draft.

There's also Austin's approach last year. We identified the wing as an area for improvement, then went out and recruited Acres before drafting Hollands and Binns. There might be a bit of redundancy in that, but if we really want to make sure we plug that gap in the forward line then we may want to give ourselves a backup option in case EH doesn't pan out for whatever reason.

Personally, I think we'll be dictated to by the selections other clubs make. I doubt we'll have a position in mind, just a shortlist of 5-10 players who tick various boxes for us (attitude, work rate, skill set, athleticism etc.), and who we expect to go between 20 and 40.

When we get to our first pick (at 27 or 28) we'll assess which players on our list are left, and which are a chance to get snapped up before our next pick (at 30 or 31). I reckon we then try to do the same thing we did with Harry and Charlie - pick the one that we feel is more likely to be taken by another club, and hope that means a second player from our shortlist is still there at our second pick.

 

[Blue__Balls]

To date, we haven't got a good small forward that can take advantage of the spills from Harry and CC.
If we get another small fwd it would help

Of course, I'm hoping for Motlop and Durdin to come on this year - but, it wouldn't hurt to have another option

So either Collard (#28) or Mannagh (late pick/ rookie) for me.
Pick #22 one of Tholstrup or CEwards

Hard to see Tholstrup getting to our first pick. It's 22 right now, but will be the 27th (or even 28th) live pick on the night.

AFL Draft Power rankings has Tholstrup rated 19th INCLUDING the academy and father/son kids.
Cal Twomey has him rated 16th in the same pool.

The odds of him being there for us at Pick 27 are slim.

Edwards, on the other hand, seems right around the mark.

 

[TrueQldBlue]

Hard to see Tholstrup getting to our first pick. It's 22 right now, but will be the 27th (or even 28th) live pick on the night.

AFL Draft Power rankings has Tholstrup rated 19th INCLUDING the academy and father/son kids.
Cal Twomey has him rated 16th in the same pool.

The odds of him being there for us at Pick 27 are slim.

Edwards, on the other hand, seems right around the mark.

Edwards looks interesting in his highlights.

Looks to kick the ball well.

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[Stamos]

Would have been nice if we didn't have to slide 17 to 22.

 

[thylacine60]

Edwards looks interesting in his highlights.

Looks to kick the ball well.

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let's forego surnames on draft night and just run with john "kicks well on both feet" brian "as good an intercept mark as there is going round" peter "second and third efforts are elite"..............serious suggestion...........

 

[TrueQldBlue]

Do we have the option to take 3 selections at draft?
Or does the need to promote a rookie prevent that?

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[Stamos]

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Rookie elevations can count for 2 of the 3 selections.

 

[bigblueboy]

Now Elijah is on board, can I ask what makes so many on here want small to medium forwards with one both of our picks? Genuine question as I think our depth is now pretty good in that area as we saw around the finals.

There’s not many areas on our list where we are not well stocked.
Maybe genuine KPD as some will argue none of McGovern, Kemp or Marchbank are really that player and the jury is out on Young. Personally I don’t think it is an immediate need.
Rucks? TDK took a big stride forward this year and coaching group love Pittonet’s grunt. I’m bullish on O’Keefe who has shown more than Mirkov in the VFL.
Small forwards? Motlop and Durdin are both young and have show glimpses. We know what level we will get from Owies and Fogarty. In my view you only need one genuine small forward in your 23 IF your medium forwards can apply tackling pressure.
Speaking of which … E Hollands, Cuningham, Martin, Cottrell, JSOS? Quantity is a tick, and I think Martin is a lock. The rest - some questions.
IMO the best approach here is to attempt to move up in the draft and take best player available.
Our 2024 first rounder will be sacrificed and it’s definitely on the table this year to achieve that outcome. Just not sure if others will bite given the perceived lottery after the first 11-12 picks.