List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[Stephen2]

I reckon Doedee goes to Brissy, and they're waiting for finals to wrap before announcing list changes

 

[rabidcrow]

Yes and no.

The Port recruits all made their intentions clear before Port were knocked out. But the longer it goes the more likely he is off to somewhere else.

And how do you think that helped their finals run. Sorry Scott we have a replacement coming in for you, same with McKenzie - we have 2 coming to rescue the backline

Very unusual for players to announce intention while team is still in finals. Pretty well unheard of 3 would do it within 24 hrs. Almost like the Power marketing side wanted to get people to focus on a good news story rather than the thumping Brisbane gave them

I know a few Power fans who feel that way


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[Peter Doherty]

No, Kernahan supports the "people can resist a new club coming in, instead of going home."

Kernahan was getting paid, wherever he went. What he had in Victoria was a bigger city that had vastly better future earning capacity for him, plus a playing group that had become his friends. He wanted to live in a bigger city, with everything that comes with it.

Not every Tasmanian is going to want to go home, just like not every South Australian is going to want to come home. You can't dismiss drafting from an entire state because you assume they're going to want to leave you.

What do you think we will need to give up to get a pick in the McKercher range?

 

[MRB37]

Given there has been no announcements, I'd suggest Doedee is going to sign with either Collingwood or Brisbane.
If he was staying, he's have signed by now.

Part of me is wondering if we're doing it like some NBA teams do with restricted free agency.

He won't take our 2 year deal and wants a 4-5 year deal. So we're saying to him "We don't think you can get one, so find the best deal you can get and then we'll evaluate on matching."

So if he comes back with a 3 year deal from either side, that's probably matchable from our POV and if he's really "I want to stay in Adelaide" then he shouldn't have any issues re-signing as he tested the market and got the best deal he could.

 

[GreyCrow]

My concern is if we're wrapping it up as part of a trade for Burgess / Chol / Hollands whatever, if we trade up but McKercher ends up going before that pick anyway then we've basically traded up for nothing we really need. Ideally it would just be a pure swap of picks, in which case we can leave it until draft night to ensure the player we want is still there at GC's pick. But obviously we can't do that because for GC the whole point of trading down from pick 4 is to get rid of it before a bid comes on Jed Walter at 2 or 3.

We can still live trade back at that stage. Just need willing partners who have been prepped if it comes to that

 

[DJ75]

Part of me is wondering if we're doing it like some NBA teams do with restricted free agency.

He won't take our 2 year deal and wants a 4-5 year deal. So we're saying to him "We don't think you can get one, so find the best deal you can get and then we'll evaluate on matching."

So if he comes back with a 3 year deal from either side, that's probably matchable from our POV and if he's really "I want to stay in Adelaide" then he shouldn't have any issues re-signing as he tested the market and got the best deal he could.

My understanding of this is:

Tom and Crows negotiated contract details. Tom wanted 4+ years. Crows offered 3. Stalemate.
Tom's agent fielded other offers. Deals of at least 4 were on the table.
Tom preferred to stay if we would match.
We wouldn't.

Then the knee injury.

Crows deal changed to a two year deal.
Tom desperately wanted to stay, but knows this is likely his last deal, so needs to cash in.
Tom tried negotiating with Crows but we refused to budge. Crows released Tom to have medicals at other clubs.
Brisbane, Collingwood and Sydney are very keen.

I base this on what I have managed to piece together. No real intel etc...other than the last two lines which I mentioned on here before it became known in the media.

 

[fuic08]

My understanding of this is:

Tom and Crows negotiated contract details. Tom wanted 4+ years. Crows offered 3. Stalemate.
Tom's agent fielded other offers. Deals of at least 4 were on the table.
Tom preferred to stay if we would match.
We wouldn't.

Then the knee injury.

Crows deal changed to a two year deal.
Tom desperately wanted to stay, but knows this is likely his last deal, so needs to cash in.
Tom tried negotiating with Crows but we refused to budge. Crows released Tom to have medicals at other clubs.
Brisbane, Collingwood and Sydney are very keen.

I base this on what I have managed to piece together. No real intel etc...other than the last two lines which I mentioned on here before it became known in the media.

Sounds like we identified that we have his position well covered and he doesn't have the value he might have a couple years ago here.

 

[GROTTO]

My understanding of this is:

Tom and Crows negotiated contract details. Tom wanted 4+ years. Crows offered 3. Stalemate.
Tom's agent fielded other offers. Deals of at least 4 were on the table.
Tom preferred to stay if we would match.
We wouldn't.

Then the knee injury.

Crows deal changed to a two year deal.
Tom desperately wanted to stay, but knows this is likely his last deal, so needs to cash in.
Tom tried negotiating with Crows but we refused to budge. Crows released Tom to have medicals at other clubs.
Brisbane, Collingwood and Sydney are very keen.

I base this on what I have managed to piece together. No real intel etc...other than the last two lines which I mentioned on here before it became known in the media.

Would have been happy to give him 3 years if we cut Sloane off the list.

At the end of the day it is a salary cap issue as well.

 

[Mostyn]

What do you think we will need to give up to get a pick in the McKercher range?

Probably the F1 and two of our seconds?

Not sure if that gets it for us, but that's probably the offer.

I maybe think a better result might be the WB pick 10, but I like the idea of moving up.

 

[DJ75]

Sounds like we identified that we have his position well covered and he doesn't have the value he might have a couple years ago here.

I actually think what we have done here and with McAdam is smart list management.

Both players are good enough to attract interest, but both are replaceable and both aren't game changers. Letting them leave now, rather than signing them up, is very -unCrows like. Normally we sign these guys up to big deals and let the other clubs steal our kids.

Selling now, while they have currency, is the smart move.

 

[Golumless]

Would have been happy to give him 3 years if we cut Sloane off the list.

At the end of the day it is a salary cap issue as well.

Exactly - and it's also why it's not related to Sloane.

The biggest reason why you don't retain Doedee is Michalanny and Worrell.

 

[PeterSalt]

Exactly - and it's also why it's not related to Sloane.

The biggest reason why you don't retain Doedee is Michalanny and Worrell.

And Nankervis

 

[CryptoCrow]

Heard Sholl to NM last year. Family history at the club. No surprises if he goes this year. capitalises on his trade capital we built from his over selection this year. Do you think North will trade for him for LDU

Because - on the off chance this has legs - I think there is a genuine case that adding Cox now could push us into being a big contender in 2024. After all, the game for next year is fixing our defense and this is a big upgrade on all of our key defenders. Not only that, but we've built a counter-attack identity and Cox should suit that to a tee being a reliable one-on-one player, strong aerially and a reliable field kick. Factor in that putting in very good players into the line-up is the quickest way to improve a sector and that our main defenders are young as well means this addition could have more bang-for-buck influence then just adding a really good player.

As to why we should push our chips to the table if he's available? The first reason is we need to be looking at making the most of Dawson as he looks every bit of that elite midfielder teams need to go deep. The other major one is the league is in a transitional phase at the moment. Plus, the elephant in the room is this does not look like a draft where we'll be able to fix our inside midfield issues - not in time to match up with Dawson at any rate. So if you were angling to begin an all-in push, honestly, it doesn't look like a bad place to start.

Hey everyone, long time viewer, 1st time poster. Gotta say I really like your train of thought re Dawson. Is Cox the missing piece of the puzzle in defence to make that happen? idk, but he is probably the best available if a decent deal can be made without selling the farm for next years draft.

 

[Crow-eater]

 

[CryptoCrow]

Moving from Port in general is the intel, not 100% but a fair chance

Crows would be his preferred choice with his close knit family surely

Wonder if the neighbours would be interested in a straight swap for neddy or Murphy?.. actually how about a 2 for 1deal

 

[Danger in Texas]

Think I’d be surprised if he chose us, at this point

 

[Brett Cummings]

North are even abusing the handout given to them. The afl should block the deal should north be trying to get pick 4.

 

[Redline]

Think I’d be surprised if he chose us, at this point

Hard sell when I don't think he makes our best team.

 

[Brett Cummings]

Hard sell when I don't think he makes our best team.

Most just see him as steak knives for pick 4 lol.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

North are even abusing the handout given to them. The afl should block the deal should north be trying to get pick 4.

I think the handout was intentionally designed to give North the best hand for pick 4. Two f1s that must be traded this year, gives them Sanders without implicating the AFL

 

[Crow till I die]

I think the handout was intentionally designed to give North the best hand for pick 4. Two f1s that must be traded this year, gives them Sanders without implicating the AFL

If so, thats just another AFL assisted decision that could directly harm us as we were a suitor for that pick and whatever midfielders are availabel at the top end will likely be gone without it

 

[Brett Cummings]

I think the handout was intentionally designed to give North the best hand for pick 4. Two f1s that must be traded this year, gives them Sanders without implicating the AFL

I'm not sure how there no lawsuits from other clubs. Punishing every other team for a terribly run club.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think the handout was intentionally designed to give North the best hand for pick 4. Two f1s that must be traded this year, gives them Sanders without implicating the AFL

I thought in the media release, it was stated, North don't have to trade the end of first round pick

 

[Eddie Murphy]

I thought in the media release, it was stated, North don't have to trade the end of first round pick

You’re right it’s not exactly “must be traded” but they’re to be reviewed at the end of 24. Unless North are backing themselves for another season with no improvement, they’d be wise to trade them this year.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You’re right it’s not exactly “must be traded” but they’re to be reviewed at the end of 24. Unless North are backing themselves for another season with no improvement, they’d be wise to trade them this year.

That being the case, why pay Clarko the mega $$$$ ......BTW, I don't believe Clarko & North will be a happy marriage anyway