List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[Crow till I die]

every pick after the first matched bid will move in. I don't think it's even possible for them to go out.

Only if the picks used to match bids are before those picks mentioned. Ie if walter is bid on a pick 2 and the first available pick to GCis a 20's pick, then every pick after that would come in..BUT the picks before that push out by 1spot to accomodate walter

 

[Maddogmetro]

We didn't even get the first pick in the draft when we came bottom.

Exactly. Went to the team who played in the next Grand Final.

 

[baldandbroke]

I never understand the picks getting “pushed out” by the father-son / academy bids?

Don’t we just take all of those players out of the available pool before we start?

So if we have pick 10, we get the 10th best of the available kids?

We are never going to get those players, so why do we count them at all?

When we got Thilthorpe, he was our number one choice of the players available.

 

[dplggr47]

Was a bad joke.

Honestly can't recall.

Port came 2nd last that year with 3 wins. 5 wins or less prompted an automatic end of first round draft pick.

 

[MarcusP2]

I never understand the picks getting “pushed out” by the father-son / academy bids?

Don’t we just take all of those players out of the available pool before we start?

So if we have pick 10, we get the 10th best of the available kids?

We are never going to get those players, so why do we count them at all?

When we got Thilthorpe, he was our number one choice of the players available.

Yes but it comes down to talent.

Imagine having pick 1 in 2001 and Hodge, Judd and Ball are academy picks. Suddenly it's not really pick 1 is it?

 

[Dewy006]

Yes but it comes down to talent.

Imagine having pick 1 in 2001 and Hodge, Judd and Ball are academy picks. Suddenly it's not really pick 1 is it?

Would still be the first pick of the Available talent. Posters get waaaayyyy too hung up on “picks blowing out”, it’s still essentially the same pick in the same talent pool, as Academy picks and FS picks were never available to us in the first place.

 

[MarcusP2]

Would still be the first pick of the Available talent. Posters get waaaayyyy too hung up on “picks blowing out”, it’s still essentially the same pick in the same talent pool, as Academy picks and FS picks were never available to us in the first place.

It does change how much the pick is worth though. That's what 'picks blowing out' really means. It doesn't change which players are available, but it does mean that you are deeper into the talent pool.

 

[Orange crush]

If I say, I’ve heard that the Haynes deal is falling over because he won’t come without a decent extension. He wants 3 years and we’ve only offered 2.

I just made up that, but it sounds plausible doesn’t it?

I’m just flipping a coin.

To be fair,this is as likely as not. He wants to extend his career

 

[crows dude]

Would still be the first pick of the Available talent. Posters get waaaayyyy too hung up on “picks blowing out”, it’s still essentially the same pick in the same talent pool, as Academy picks and FS picks were never available to us in the first place.

Ahh but they are now. Thats the point. by bidding you are making those teams pay am premium for them. If they say no we will not match then bang they are yours. We still bidded on Ugle Hagan first knowing he was the best player. Made Bulldogs pay up big.

 

[rabidcrow]

It does change how much the pick is worth though. That's what 'picks blowing out' really means. It doesn't change which players are available, but it does mean that you are deeper into the talent pool.

True. Even the Saint compo today probably costs GC around 250 points with all of their picks being devalued by 10-30 points


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[Rory Walkerfield]

I never understand the picks getting “pushed out” by the father-son / academy bids?

Don’t we just take all of those players out of the available pool before we start?

So if we have pick 10, we get the 10th best of the available kids?

We are never going to get those players, so why do we count them at all?

When we got Thilthorpe, he was our number one choice of the players available.

Makes sense when focus on the pointy end of the draft.

But once you start getting into the 20’s and 30’s, those selections start to come in by the picks consumed to match bids.

So you kinda have to look at the entire equation.

And whilst it hasnt happened yet, there is the slight potential that a club doesn’t match a bid.

 

[FR0GGY]

I never understand the picks getting “pushed out” by the father-son / academy bids?

Don’t we just take all of those players out of the available pool before we start?

So if we have pick 10, we get the 10th best of the available kids?

We are never going to get those players, so why do we count them at all?

When we got Thilthorpe, he was our number one choice of the players available.

This argument has been done, I’m on your side.

 

[Sanders]

If I say, I’ve heard that the Haynes deal is falling over because he won’t come without a decent extension. He wants 3 years and we’ve only offered 2.

I just made up that, but it sounds plausible doesn’t it?

I’m just flipping a coin.

Get around me! My sources are impeccable

Go team Tails!!

 

[Sanders]

I never understand the picks getting “pushed out” by the father-son / academy bids?

Don’t we just take all of those players out of the available pool before we start?

So if we have pick 10, we get the 10th best of the available kids?

We are never going to get those players, so why do we count them at all?

When we got Thilthorpe, he was our number one choice of the players available.

We have pick 35, by the time 34 other players have been selected our guy will be the no.1 choice of the players available?

 

[Sanders]

Yes but it comes down to talent.

Imagine having pick 1 in 2001 and Hodge, Judd and Ball are academy picks. Suddenly it's not really pick 1 is it?

Depends

Freo wanted Graham Polak, had him no.1 on their board and planned to take him pick 1 if they didn’t trade it

The rationale for trading was they thought they could get the player they loved most anyway with the no.4 pick

And they did

 

[baldandbroke]

We have pick 35, by the time 34 other players have been selected our guy will be the no.1 choice of the players available?

Yeah, it even happens that way if you have pick 1.

 

[Sanders]

Yeah, it even happens that way if you have pick 1.

Which is why available players left theory doesn’t really hold

 

[baldandbroke]

Which is why available players left theory doesn’t really hold

No, it means the available players theory always holds.

No one is jumping ahead of our pick to get someone we could get.

Yes, these players should be flushed out early … but they aren’t options.

 

[Sanders]

No, it means the available players theory always holds.

No one is jumping ahead of our pick to get someone we could get.

Yes, these players should be flushed out early … but they aren’t options.

Exactly the opposite - when everything is, then nothing is

Best pick from the pool available is true of every pick ever made.

It has another name: the pick

Any and every draft pick is by definition, the best of the remaining pool.

It can’t ever be anything else, which makes the “available pool” theory redundant

 

[baldandbroke]

Exactly the opposite - when everything is, then nothing is

Best pick from the pool available is true of every pick ever made.

It has another name: the pick

Any and every draft pick is by definition, the best of the remaining pool.

It can’t ever be anything else, which makes the “available pool” theory redundant

So, to be clear, because you can only pick from the players that are available … then having your pick pushed back by other clubs matching bids does affect the value of your pick, in terms of what player it can get you?

 

[Sanders]

So, to be clear, because you can only pick from the players that are available … then having your pick pushed back by other clubs matching bids does affect the value of your pick, in terms of what player it can get you?

Yes, in my opinion it matters hugely

The optionality on the 10th best player in a total pool is worth more than the 13th selection - regardless of how that right is dressed up

 

[baldandbroke]

Yes, in my opinion it matters hugely

The optionality on the 10th best player in a total pool is worth more than the 13th selection - regardless of how that right is dressed up

Ah, I see the gap.

I don’t think having pick 10 gives you the option for the 10th best player.

 

[Sanders]

I don’t think having pick 10 gives you the option for the 10th best player.

How so?

Are you talking about future outcomes, or about at the time of initial exchange

No one knows if a lottery ticket will come up good, but at the time of purchase it was only worth $1

 

[baldandbroke]

How so?

Are you talking about future outcomes, or about at the time of initial exchange

No one knows if a lottery ticket will come up good, but at the time of purchase it was only worth $1

Nah - I’ll leave the tea leaf reading to the homeopaths.

I mean, 10th pick in your hand the day before the draft doesn’t give you the 10th option on draft day.

 

[Sanders]

I mean, 10th pick in your hand the day before the draft doesn’t give you the 10th option on draft day.

How come?