List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[Crow till I die]

Even if they don’t, they get to select the next best available player. The difference between the 2 is nowhere near enough to warrant dumping 8 and then potentially 1 or 2 next year as well.

Downgrading their f1 to a f2 in my example

 

[Thunderstruck]

Fairly keen for us to have a crack at the Eagles F1...we've got the arsenal.....

 

[Sanders]

Geelong only have 1 useable pick atm ..8 and something in 80’s pick at the moment

I’d offer them 14 and 20 for 8 (then they have 2 good picks )

Leaves us with 8 and 10

Potentially deal with NM our future first for 15 with some other picks swapped to balance getting points for Welsh next season

Draft
8- Sanders (hopefully still there)
10 - Darcy Wilson/ De Mattia
15- Throlstrup

Why the absolute… would we deal our F1 for a lousy 15 in a shit draft?

Geez

 

[George CantStandYa]

Fairly keen for us to have a crack at the Eagles F1...we've got the arsenal.....

Big call by West Coast to do that but I like it

 

[Soggy2112]

I never understand the picks getting “pushed out” by the father-son / academy bids?

Don’t we just take all of those players out of the available pool before we start?

So if we have pick 10, we get the 10th best of the available kids?

We are never going to get those players, so why do we count them at all?

When we got Thilthorpe, he was our number one choice of the players available.

It’s just a way of saying that even though we have pick 10 we are not going to get the 10th best player (at the time) of that draft class.

I’d imagine that list managers would rarely talk about picks getting “pushed out” internally, because as you say, they’ve had their draft boards all year and someone like Nick Daicos would never have been on anyone but Collingwood’s.

 

[Soggy2112]

It would still be worth more trading next year. Much better to wait and see where we finish. An extra draftee is not going to move the needle for us this year

Our F1 could be used to bring in a good experienced player - it could be a top 8 pick and in front of Welsh. Who knows

A third first round draftee is not going to play for us for a while - unlikely 3 kids break into the team at the same time


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Excellent point, would be foolish to plan for Welsh now when we don’t know where he’ll be rated this time next year. Every chance he drops to late 2nd round or later and we get him for chips.

 

[Sanders]

It’s just a way of saying that even though we have pick 10 we are not going to get the 10th best player (at the time) of that draft class.

I’d imagine that list managers would rarely talk about picks getting “pushed out” internally, because as you say, they’ve had their draft boards all year and someone like Nick Daicos would never have been on anyone but Collingwood’s.

Amazing how these players get bid on at all, if they don’t appear on other teams draft boards

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Amazing how these players get bid on at all, if they don’t appear on other teams draft boards

We'll get the No 1 player in the draft at Pick 10, because the first 9 picks weren't available to us

 

[Crow till I die]

AFL Draft Power Rankings: Four Tassie prospects in top 20 as Eagles academy gun surges into first-round mix

Scary AFL reality looms; brother of gun’s shock rise — Top 30 Draft Power Rankings

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Sanders]

We'll get the No 1 player in the draft at Pick 10, because the first 9 picks weren't available to us

Apparently

 

[Soggy2112]

Amazing how these players get bid on at all, if they don’t appear on other teams draft boards

I think you know what I meant.

We bid on JUH, but didn’t for a second think he’d be playing for us. Same as the suns with Daicos.

 

[Sanders]

I think you know what I meant.

We bid on JUH, but didn’t for a second think he’d be playing for us. Same as the suns with Daicos.

No, I don’t know that you meant anything different to what you said

As Hamish often says, we stick to our talent order and bid accordingly

 

[StonesThrow]

How long does this circus go for? Another week?

 

[Viva la Mattner]

How long does this circus go for? Another week?

Until Wednesday evening when all the deals will miraculously get done while Foxtel have TV coverage of the final couple of hours

 

[whattagun07]

Yep, no doubt.

He is by no means a must keep.

I just feel like he still has untapped potential.

McHenry less so.

Tend to agree. Sholl had a pretty bloody good 2021 didn't he?

 

[Geoffa32]

AFL Draft Power Rankings: Four Tassie prospects in top 20 as Eagles academy gun surges into first-round mix

Scary AFL reality looms; brother of gun’s shock rise — Top 30 Draft Power Rankings

www.foxsports.com.au

1 South Australian in the top 30...




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[Eagleboy2011]

AFL Draft Power Rankings: Four Tassie prospects in top 20 as Eagles academy gun surges into first-round mix

Scary AFL reality looms; brother of gun’s shock rise — Top 30 Draft Power Rankings

www.foxsports.com.au

If he is anything like his brother TEW JIATH is a must.

 

[Danger in Texas]

If he is anything like his brother TEW JIATH is a must.

I’d barely say a must, one of the more meh rebounding defenders in this crop IMO

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I’d barely say a must, one of the more meh rebounding defenders in this crop IMO

Pity, I like his brother.

 

[skittlebrew]

Where do you see this untapped potential with Sholl because I'm blessed if I can see where the inprovement comes from.

The reason he fell so far down the draft order certainly wasn't based on his skills it was his absolute weakness/strength re contested footy and actual defending and after 4 years in an AFL system it's still a major weakness IMO. Since teams have woken up he can do damage with his kicking when out in the open they've tightened up on him and his kicking is nowhere near the weapon it was previously now he's under more close pressure?

If we can agree Sholl doesn't have untapped potential left we can also agree neither does Ned.

 

[The Perfect Stranger]

Looks like we are going to go through another trade period with a list that is worse off at the end than what it was when the trade period started.

"14th and loving it"

 

[craig crowing]

As it sounds like GC happy to move Hollands and Carlton can't make up there mind ,why wouldn't we take a chance with our lowest 20 pick to have a go, as certainly got talent . just seems a decent gamble as good as anybody in draft near our picks .
Like we had a big try for Petty but don't agree in selling farm to do so.

 

[119others]

With our thankfully completed A grade acquisitions (Rankine, Dawson) and having big cracks at Day, Redman, Dee’s players this year, Grundy a few years ago (plus no doubt heaps more) it unfortunately shows how hard it is to actually get quality A graders to Adelaide, even when they are SA boys to start with.

FORMER Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley believes the Magpies should have let Brodie Grundy

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Brodie Grundy

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31

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202cm

Wt

105kg

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D

17.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

32.0

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.0

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HO

34.6

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13.8

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K

5.2

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8.6

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CL

2.6

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HO

20.6

5star

leave instead of signing him to a monster new contract in 2020.

Buckley, who was coaching Collingwood when Grundy re-committed long-term, concedes the Magpies would have looked "mad" for letting a dual All-Australian go, but insists a move should have been made, with Adelaide interested in signing the star ruckman.

"Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it would have been better for the club, and it would have been better for Brodie (to) move in a different direction," Buckley told SEN on Monday.

Brodie Grundy

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Brodie Grundy

Age

31

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

32.0

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

HO

34.6

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

5.2

2star

HB

8.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

20.6

5star

leaves the ground after another Collingwood loss. Picture: AFL Photos

"'Brodes' gets back to Adelaide, he's happy at the Adelaide Crows, who knows what would have happened over that side.

 

[119others]

Looks like we are going to go through another trade period with a list that is worse off at the end than what it was when the trade period started.

"14th and loving it"

Like the last 2 years?

 

[119others]

1 South Australian in the top 30...




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Yep, worse ever IIRC. And this one player isn’t even available as Horks F/S