List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[119others]

Tend to agree. Sholl had a pretty bloody good 2021 didn't he?

He has shown repeatedly he can’t handle the heat. The ONE player in our squad you wouldn’t be able to trust in a big final. Get rid of him

 

[The Perfect Stranger]

Like the last 2 years?

No. Like the last 2 decades.

Were 2021/2022 anomalies and we slip back into our pre-2021 strategy of one step forward, 3 steps back.

 

[119others]

No. Like the last 2 decades.

Were 2021/2022 anomalies and we slip back into our pre-2021 strategy of one step forward, 3 steps back.

OK so you agree we have been up there with best performed over the last 2 years.

You realise how hard it is to get players to come to Adelaide, even SA lads? Day, Redman, Oliver, Petty this year alone. Grundy a few years earlier. Touk Miller - the list goes on

 

[skittlebrew]

With our thankfully completed A grade acquisitions (Rankine, Dawson) and having big cracks at Day, Redman, Dee’s players this year, Grundy a few years ago (plus no doubt heaps more) it unfortunately shows how hard it is to actually get quality A graders to Adelaide, even when they are SA boys to start with.

FORMER Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley believes the Magpies should have let Brodie Grundy leave instead of signing him to a monster new contract in 2020.

Buckley, who was coaching Collingwood when Grundy re-committed long-term, concedes the Magpies would have looked "mad" for letting a dual All-Australian go, but insists a move should have been made, with Adelaide interested in signing the star ruckman.

"Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it would have been better for the club, and it would have been better for Brodie (to) move in a different direction," Buckley told SEN on Monday.


Brodie Grundy leaves the ground after another Collingwood loss. Picture: AFL Photos

"'Brodes' gets back to Adelaide, he's happy at the Adelaide Crows, who knows what would have happened over that side.

I always believed he was bluffing and wanted to stay at Pies. The Pies overpay for a lot of their players, they're a huge successful club they shouldn't be paying top dollar for players.

My post at the time. Was well wrong on the second prediction though lel

Purely a ruse to get more money out of Colllingwood. Gets to play on the G every week for the biggest club in the country and their premiership window will be open for a while.

The chances are so slim of him going elsewhere it's not even worth talking about.

 

[jackster83]

OK so you agree we have been up there with best performed over the last 2 years.

You realise how hard it is to get players to come to Adelaide, even SA lads? Day, Redman, Oliver, Petty this year alone. Grundy a few years earlier. Touk Miller - the list goes on

No one wanted to play for Brisbane either, until they started making finals.

If we make finals next year, we should be seen as a more desirable club to play for.

The new facility will also improve our club's image.

 

[skittlebrew]

No one wanted to play for Brisbane either, until they started making finals.

If we make finals next year, we should be seen as a more desirable club to play for.

The new facility will also improve our club's image.

Brisbane has the public anonymity aspect that Sydney can also offer.

We do not...

 

[whattagun07]

He has shown repeatedly he can’t handle the heat. The ONE player in our squad you wouldn’t be able to trust in a big final. Get rid of him

Yeah you're prob right

 

[rabidcrow]

With our thankfully completed A grade acquisitions (Rankine, Dawson) and having big cracks at Day, Redman, Dee’s players this year, Grundy a few years ago (plus no doubt heaps more) it unfortunately shows how hard it is to actually get quality A graders to Adelaide, even when they are SA boys to start with.

FORMER Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley believes the Magpies should have let Brodie Grundy

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6.8

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4.0

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34.6

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leave instead of signing him to a monster new contract in 2020.

Buckley, who was coaching Collingwood when Grundy re-committed long-term, concedes the Magpies would have looked "mad" for letting a dual All-Australian go, but insists a move should have been made, with Adelaide interested in signing the star ruckman.

"Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it would have been better for the club, and it would have been better for Brodie (to) move in a different direction," Buckley told SEN on Monday.

Brodie Grundy

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Brodie Grundy

Age

31

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

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Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

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17.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

32.0

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.0

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HO

34.6

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

5.2

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HB

8.6

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2.6

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20.6

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leaves the ground after another Collingwood loss. Picture: AFL Photos

"'Brodes' gets back to Adelaide, he's happy at the Adelaide Crows, who knows what would have happened over that side.

True. It also shows that clubs do a good job of looking after elite guys they draft. Very hard to pry players out.

North, Essendon are renowned for not getting their big fish. Majority of A grade player moves are non VIC (particularly expansion clubs to VIC (going home to big money/long deals).

Few are transacted outside that scenario


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[119others]

No one wanted to play for Brisbane either, until they started making finals.

If we make finals next year, we should be seen as a more desirable club to play for.

The new facility will also improve our club's image.

agree to an extent but also with s/brews next post as not all players want to be high profile public figures who are either 'loved or hated depending on the score'

 

[Big_Birdy]

Pardon the intrusion. But folks on our board seem to think you are heavily into Sid Draper.

Is that true? If so, what would you see as a fair offer for our F1?

 

[Crow till I die]

Pardon the intrusion. But folks on our board seem to think you are heavily into Sid Draper.

Is that true? If so, what would you see as a fair offer for our F1?

10 + 20 + F1 for your F1 and pick 58 this year

 

[Big_Birdy]

10 + 20 + F1 for your F1 and pick 58 this year

Seems perfectly reasonable. How quickly would you say no to swapping 20 for 14? I don't think we do it for 20 due to risk (even though clearly a fair offer).

 

[Crow till I die]

Seems perfectly reasonable. How quickly would you say no to swapping 20 for 14? I don't think we do it for 20 due to risk (even though clearly a fair offer).

I mean, I have no idea what our club would do if there was a chance of being able to trade for it, but in the hypothetical above, I'd countenance pick 14 in lieu of 20 but I'd want a bit more of a balance out in picks - maybe pick 37 this year and either an F2 or F3

reason for that is that 10 and 14 take us right out of the pointy end of this draft and with the F1, we are banking a huge amount on your club being a bottom 1-5 club next year. Its a gamble as you will have Ginbey, Reid and a host of others there and might have a early spike and we are screwed...especially if Welsh (our F/S in 24) rises up the boards to be a top pick - we will have a pick we need to then trade

 

[119others]

Seems perfectly reasonable. How quickly would you say no to swapping 20 for 14? I don't think we do it for 20 due to risk (even though clearly a fair offer).

We would do that deal to get a top 4ish type pick next year. Eagles and Norf clear equal fave for spoon.

Can’t imagine your club does.

Welsh likely worth 10-18 according to Trade Radio today (Cal?)

 

[Big_Birdy]

I mean, I have no idea what our club would do if there was a chance of being able to trade for it, but in the hypothetical above, I'd countenance pick 14 in lieu of 20 but I'd want a bit more of a balance out in picks - maybe pick 37 this year and either an F2 or F3

reason for that is that 10 and 14 take us right out of the pointy end of this draft and with the F1, we are banking a huge amount on your club being a bottom 1-5 club next year. Its a gamble as you will have Ginbey, Reid and a host of others there and might have a early spike and we are screwed...especially if Welsh (our F/S in 24) rises up the boards to be a top pick - we will have a pick we need to then trade

Very fair. I'd probably go F1, 37, F3 for 10,14, F1,F3.

I think if we are bottom 3 you will get Draper with our pick. Outside of that it is a gamble.

Best case scenario I think for you is you get pick 1 with our F1, and can trade it back to say 3 for another late first early second.

If it ended up 1,37,38 for 10,14,15,51 we could live with that although I think although we'd be losers.

But for you that could end up 10,14,15,51 for 3,21,37,38 and get your man at 3. I think you'd be happy with that?

Only way you lose I guess is if you fall way below expectation next year (can't see it myself). Or we perform too well for you to have access to a high pick (also very unlikely).

 

[Crow till I die]

Very fair. I'd probably go F1, 37, F3 for 10,14, F1,F3.

I think if we are bottom 3 you will get Draper with our pick. Outside of that it is a gamble.

Best case scenario I think for you is you get pick 1 with our F1, and can trade it back to say 3 for another late first early second.

If it ended up 1,37,38 for 10,14,15,51 we could live with that although I think although we'd be losers.

But for you that could end up 10,14,15,51 for 3,21,37,38 and get your man at 3. I think you'd be happy with that?

Only way you lose I guess is if you fall way below expectation next year (can't see it myself). Or we perform too well for you to have access to a high pick (also very unlikely).

I am on the phone to Reidy right now

 

[craig crowing]

You don't find it's strange there's not a long queue of AFL club's lining up when it's obvious he's very gettable?

I hear you but don't know Bicks ,just remember how good he was in draft year and now not having to give up a first rounder to get .
And he had a link to Crows and Adelaide.
But you are right think recruiters know a bit more than I do.

 

[George CantStandYa]

A couple more days to go to actually do something, moving up to 14 was good and compo for Doedee, but that can’t be it especially losing Doedee and McAdam. Burgess is not a coup.

We haven’t strengthened our list, we’ve gone backwards whilst other clubs are rockin n rolling.

Our recruiting strategy can’t be targeting contracted players with multi years left.

Cmon Reidy, do something!!

 

[incorrectdisposal]

A couple more days to go to actually do something, moving up to 14 was good and compo for Doedee, but that can’t be it especially losing Doedee and McAdam. Burgess is not a coup.

We haven’t strengthened our list, we’ve gone backwards whilst other clubs are rockin n rolling.

You me recruiting strategy can’t be targeting contracted players with multi years left.

Cmon Reidy, do something!!

Yep, fantastic comment Kramer.
Simple measurement tool for the trade period - has our list got stronger? Answer right now, is resoundingly No.
Need to bring something in otherwise we're drafting for kids who won't make much impact until 2026+

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yep, fantastic comment Kramer.
Simple measurement tool for the trade period - has our list got stronger? Answer right now, is resoundingly No.
Need to bring something in otherwise we're drafting for kids who won't make much impact until 2026+

And we’ve already got juniors that need developing, so in case they can’t leapfrog some of them they are years away

 

[George CantStandYa]

And need to acknowledge that this is the stage of the rebuild we said we’d be targeting free agents/experienced players.

Looks like we’ve failed in that regard so that has to mean our rebuild is behind in the planning they put in place unless we can pull a miracle off in the next 2 days.

 

[The Perfect Stranger]

OK so you agree we have been up there with best performed over the last 2 years.

You realise how hard it is to get players to come to Adelaide, even SA lads? Day, Redman, Oliver, Petty this year alone. Grundy a few years earlier. Touk Miller - the list goes on

Of course. The last 2 years we have come out on top after the trade period but for many years we were in the red.

Let's hope once we move out of our current shithole and into our new ground we become a more enticing club to move to.

 

[El Doederino]

It’s all gonna happen Wednesday afternoon. I don’t know why people are that bothered at the moment.

 

[The Perfect Stranger]

Pardon the intrusion. But folks on our board seem to think you are heavily into Sid Draper.

Is that true? If so, what would you see as a fair offer for our F1?

I hope so. Saw the kid playing juniors for Willunga. Amazing player.

 

[Golumless]

It’s all gonna happen Wednesday afternoon. I don’t know why people are that bothered at the moment.

Not for us, well outside of the McAdam deal.

Unless there is a pick swap in the works, but even then, that probably happens after the trade period - potentially on draft day.