List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Wilson, DeMattia would be my preferred picks if we hold #10 and #14, #20 I'd trade down if we had a buyer prepared to give us a 2nd round 2024 pick and a 2023 pick in the 30 - 40 range and take one of Will Dawson, Joel Freijah or Kane McAuliffe.

I think we might be going to have a look at Toby Murray and see how he goes over summer/SANFl for young ruck/forward depth.

too early for demattia IMO

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Too early for Graham too IMO.

yeah probably but i think he gets taken first out of those just due to his traits

 

[Gtowncrow]

Great another Murphy.

Selection night

Out: Murphy

Yessss. [emoji2959] wrong one [emoji1787]

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[WaynesWorld19]

i kind of think Goad is too good opportunity not to take as a young local at 206cm with endless upside and athleticism

I'd love to take him at 20

and 2 of O'sullivan, Wilson, Leake, Graham , Tholstrup before that (O'sullivan won't get thru unless we trade up)

 

[Mostyn]

Wilson, DeMattia would be my preferred picks if we hold #10 and #14, #20 I'd trade down if we had a buyer prepared to give us a 2nd round 2024 pick and a 2023 pick in the 30 - 40 range and take one of Will Dawson, Joel Freijah or Kane McAuliffe.

I think we might be going to have a look at Toby Murray and see how he goes over summer/SANFl for young ruck/forward depth.

Maybe - I think it's more likely we look to trade for a ruck in a couple of year's time, instead of developing one.

There's quite a few developing rucks around the league and you'd think some will be looking for new opportunities.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Maybe - I think it's more likely we look to trade for a ruck in a couple of year's time, instead of developing one.

There's quite a few developing rucks around the league and you'd think some will be looking for new opportunities.

It's a risk ....as one is not always available when it suits us .....and will they want to come to ADEL

Take the home grown product .....no risk, and develop them to your style

Do you want to end up like PORT taking players like Sweet and Soldo

 

[Mostyn]

It's a risk ....as one is not always available when it suits us .....and will they want to come to ADEL

Take the home grown product .....no risk, and develop them to your style

Do you want to end up like PORT taking players like Sweet and Soldo

They have no trade capital.

There's ALWAYS ruckmen available.

 

[Gets!]

Goad.

 

[George CantStandYa]

They have no trade capital.

There's ALWAYS ruckmen available.

Good ones?

 

[Hodgy]

It's a risk ....as one is not always available when it suits us .....and will they want to come to ADEL

Take the home grown product .....no risk, and develop them to your style

Do you want to end up like PORT taking players like Sweet and Soldo

They traded in Soldo because Hayes and Teakle didn’t work out after 4 years of development. They are the perfect example of why you should NEVER draft a ruckman unless they are Tim English standard as a junior. Even then actually as he is only just becoming great after 6 years and will probably go back to WA as a FA next year.

nearly every premier ruck in the comp came from a trade or the rookie draft.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

They traded in Soldo because Hayes and Teakle didn’t work out after 4 years of development. They are the perfect example of why you should NEVER draft a ruckman unless they are Tim English standard as a junior. Even then actually as he is only just becoming great after 6 years and will probably go back to WA as a FA next year.

nearly every premier ruck in the comp came from a trade or the rookie draft.

Yes, I understand the argument you're putting fwd ....and normally I'd agree with you

However, I also agree we should at a min have 3 Rucks on the list, as Crows I Am outlined in the Draft thread .....a main ruck, back-up, and a developing ruck

Surely we can afford one spot to developing a ruck ......hell we have Borlaise ....and we can always move the Ruck to the rookie list at some point

 

[George CantStandYa]

They traded in Soldo because Hayes and Teakle didn’t work out after 4 years of development. They are the perfect example of why you should NEVER draft a ruckman unless they are Tim English standard as a junior. Even then actually as he is only just becoming great after 6 years and will probably go back to WA as a FA next year.

nearly every premier ruck in the comp came from a trade or the rookie draft.

Teakle was on their list for about a year. Hayes was a late pick.

Gawn was pick 39.
Grundy 19.
Nic Nat top 5 pick.
Darcy 38.

You’ve pulled that out of your backside.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We're completely sold on ROB, I don't think we'll look too hard for a ruckman for years then try to recruit one

 

[Crows I Am]

They traded in Soldo because Hayes and Teakle didn’t work out after 4 years of development. They are the perfect example of why you should NEVER draft a ruckman unless they are Tim English standard as a junior. Even then actually as he is only just becoming great after 6 years and will probably go back to WA as a FA next year.

nearly every premier ruck in the comp came from a trade or the rookie draft.

The premier rucks that were trades were drafted at some point. Doesn't make sense to never try and draft a ruckman as they may fail or leave, you could say that about anyone you draft.

 

[Hodgy]

The premier rucks that were trades were drafted at some point. Doesn't make sense to never try and draft a ruckman as they may fail or leave, you could say that about anyone you draft.

midfielders dont take 5 years to develop. You know if they are no good within 2 years.

 

[Scorpus]

Yes, I understand the argument you're putting fwd ....and normally I'd agree with you

However, I also agree we should at a min have 3 Rucks on the list, as Crows I Am outlined in the Draft thread .....a main ruck, back-up, and a developing ruck

Surely we can afford one spot to developing a ruck ......hell we have Borlaise ....and we can always move the Ruck to the rookie list at some point

We've had developing rucks on the list for a while.

Shaun McKernan into Jack Osborn into Reilly O'Brien into Paul Hunter into Billy Frampton

Our backup ruck has been Brad Moran into Angus Graham into Luke Lowden into Reilly O'Brien into Kieran Strachan

The strike rate we've had is so bad it's almost not worth having that developing ruck clogging up a list spot.

In the past two decades including several other picks like Meesen and Sellar, we've come away having drafted and developed just three decent rucks: Ivan Maric, Reilly O'Brien and (barely) Jon Griffin

 

[Hodgy]

Teakle was on their list for about a year. Hayes was a late pick.

Gawn was pick 39.
Grundy 19.
Nic Nat top 5 pick.
Darcy 38.

You’ve pulled that out of your backside.

Adelaide, Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Geelong, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Richmond, St Kilda and Sydney all go into 2024 with their premier rucks being either a rookie elevation or a trade. That’s 13 of the 18 sides.

 

[George CantStandYa]

midfielders dont take 5 years to develop. You know if they are no good within 2 years.

Clubs spend multiple picks on mids and a high number don’t make it and you’re whinging about using 1 on a developing ruck?

And that 2 years is another rubbish stat. How long was Hately on an AFL list?

 

[George CantStandYa]

Adelaide, Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Geelong, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Richmond, St Kilda and Sydney all go into 2024 with their premier rucks being either a rookie elevation or a trade. That’s 13 of the 18 sides.

And which of those clubs have premier rucks? And including Grundy isn’t really an example given he was pick 19 and became a top ruckman very early on. He was a victim of his contract.

Interesting that you haven’t included Melbourne and Freo who have Premier rucks.

Edit just realised by premier you meant leading ruck, not premier ie quality rucks.

 

[George CantStandYa]

We're completely sold on ROB, I don't think we'll look too hard for a ruckman for years then try to recruit one

And yet he hasn’t even finished top 10 in our best and fairest for the last 2 years. We clearly don’t rate rucks.

 

[Hodgy]

And which of those clubs have premier rucks? And including Grundy isn’t really an example given he was pick 19 and became a top ruckman very early on. He was a victim of his contract.

Interesting that you haven’t included Melbourne and Freo who have Premier rucks.

All clubs have a premier ruckman, I’m not quite sure what you mean. I haven’t included Melbourne and Freo as their premier ruckman were taken in the main draft. That’s why I said 13 of the 18 clubs.

 

[adelaidecrows]

And yet he hasn’t even finished top 10 in our best and fairest for the last 2 years. We clearly don’t rate rucks.

We've been trying to use combinations with Thilthorpe / Walker and ROB to a mixture of success. Our tall stocks are in dire straights though. Our backup is not AFL quality and Himmelberg is our other backup tall. If we dont draft a project ruckman in either draft this year I question what we are doing, I am not sure what our list management is in this space.

Ideally we should have three Ruckman on our list. Our main one. An advanced back up and a long term developing project. We should have taken a project ruckman 3 seasons ago on the rookie list.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

And yet he hasn’t even finished top 10 in our best and fairest for the last 2 years. We clearly don’t rate rucks.

Part of me is happy that we aren't spending any currency on a ruckman. Just making do with the el cheapo one we got and spending elsewhere (though what was ROB's contract $$$?)

 

[craig crowing]

Thank you Bicks and JeffCrowe for your feedback .
The more I read and get more and more information re this draft in our selection bracket it seems more likely that we won't use 14 or 20 with players available but either move up or more likely to get a deal by getting a future pick and a mid to late 30 s type pick.
Surely a club like West Coast would be trying to get a extra quality player in this draft , as I probably don't understand not using there no 1 pick to get a couple of extra 1st round type picks to start to strengthen their club.
We need next year picks of all types to either trade for Petty or a top draft pick before doing our numbers to match a Welsh bid.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Part of me is happy that we aren't spending any currency on a ruckman. Just making do with the el cheapo one we got and spending elsewhere (though what was ROB's contract $$$?)

surely the only currency we'd use is a rookie pick. Cant ever see us using a ND pick unless its for a player capable of playing within two seasons.