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Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant
 
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AFL 2023: Will Brodie’s run at Fremantle looks to have come to an end​

It’s hard to see a clear path back into Fremantle’s best 22 next season for Will Brodie. And that’s why the midfielder should be entertaining a trade, writes ELIZA REILLY.

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September 10, 2023 - 8:00AM
Will Brodie may be looking for a new home in 2024. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images

Will Brodie may be looking for a new home in 2024. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images

When there’s a Will, there’s a way.
But if you’re of the Brodie variety, it’s hard to see a clear path back into Fremantle’s best 22 next season. And that’s why Will Brodie should be entertaining a trade if a suitor emerges this off-season.

When Brodie was thrown up in trade discussions with Fremantle towards the end of 2021, he wasn’t even the selling point of the eventual deal. That was pick 19, which the Dockers turned into Matthew Johnson. Brodie was both the steak knives and a salary cap dump.
Brodie took less than a month to prove he was a worthy addition to Fremantle’s finals-bound set of cutlery. In round four against Greater Western Sydney, he had a career-high 37 disposals. He matched it a month later against North Melbourne in round eight. And playing every game in 2022, including Fremantle’s two finals, Brodie averaged a career-high 26.8 touches, 5.7 clearances and 5.3 tackles.
His resurgence was aided by a gift from the injury gods. Two-time Brownlow medallist Nat Fyfe played just seven games. In that time, Brodie elevated himself from backup plan to one of the recruits of the year. He didn’t receive the attention or accolades of Caleb Serong or Andrew Brayshaw. But his big body, clean hands and contested calibre were crucial to Fremantle’s midfield mix.

From the outside looking in, it appeared as though the top-10 pick turned his career around overnight. But in reality, it was a result of Brodie getting consistently cut down across the course of his time at the Suns. That’s what resilience does.
Now, history is repeating itself.
Opportunities at Brodie’s former club Gold Coast were rare and rarely made the most of. Across 25 games in four seasons at the Suns, Brodie tasted victory just three times.
The meteoric rise of Touk Miller coupled with the desire to develop Noah Anderson and Matt Rowell sent Brodie to the bottom of the pecking order. And then senior coach Stuart Dew didn’t believe he had it in him to overtake them.
“We experimented with Will to try and play a different role and get some flexibility,” Dew said back in 2021. “However, Matt Rowell’s best footy is on the inside, Touk Miller’s best footy is on the inside…and I think everyone can see where Noah is going.
“It wasn’t about, could he play AFL footy? It was ultimately about, could he get in front of Miller, Rowell and Anderson?”
Fremantle are asking the same question but now it’s a matter of Brodie overtaking Serong, Brayshaw, Fyfe, Hayden Young, Jaeger O’Meara, Matthew Johnson and Neil Erasmus.
Serong and Brayshaw are the benchmark. Dockers coach Justin Longmuir has indicated that Fyfe, if fully fit, will return to a full-time midfield role. Young’s future lies in the midfield after the defender switched roles late in the season. O’Meara essentially took Brodie’s place and the Dockers haven’t done enough to fit that pair into the same midfield. And Fremantle must find a way to keep getting games into Johnson and Erasmus.
That leaves Brodie at the crossroads.

The 25-year-old played just five senior games in 2023, including one matchwinning role as Fremantle’s tactical sub against the Gold Coast. He was dropped after round seven and didn’t play again, not even when the Dockers’ midfield was being badly bullied and beaten during the middle of the year.
An ankle injury slowed him down for a month. Since returning, Brodie has averaged 28.6 disposals in his last five games at Peel Thunder.
“I think the midfield the last three weeks in particular has been really strong and really consistent through there,” Longmuir said in August. “He needs to play at a high level and wait for an opportunity.”
There’s a school of thought that Brodie isn’t involved enough in scoring chains. But he’s too good to be playing in the WAFL.
There’s also the added complexity of his contract. Brodie signed a three-year extension that ties him to Fremantle until 2026 in March. It seemed an obvious decision at the time. Now in September, it’s odd and perplexing.
The limitation on guys like Brodie is AFL clubs can only really afford to field two of them on any given day. They lack that speed and spread from the contest that the best midfielders in the competition boast. They’re also not overly flexible. But they make up for it by nailing the hard stuff.
If any one of Fremantle’s midfielders went down with an injury, Brodie could comfortably hold his own at AFL level. And therein lies the problem. There are several teams out there who could do with a Will Brodie round one next season.
It all hinges on what Brodie desires from whatever is left of his AFL career. Fremantle is on the verge of AFL success and he’s one or two injuries away from being part of it. Depth is important. And Brodie owes the Dockers something for aiding his career reinvigoration.
Ultimately, Brodie is a proven AFL footballer and a trade may be the best thing for him given Fremantle’s new-found oversupply of midfielders.
What’s with the ridiculous title from Eliza, clickiest of click bait. Thought they were better than that
 
What’s with the ridiculous title from Eliza, clickiest of click bait. Thought they were better than that
It is unusual.

Makes you wonder if it's a way to test/prepare the fanbase?
 
What’s with the ridiculous title from Eliza, clickiest of click bait. Thought they were better than that
To be fair, Eliza would have written the article, but the headline would be the editor's shenanigans.

Either that or her headline was cut short...
Will Brodie’s run at Fremantle looks to have come to an end according to my mum's hairdresser.
 

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Sort of off topic thought. If we (or any club) but an offer to a player to extend their contract (whether it expires this year or next) and the response comes that they'll wait until the end of the contract/year, should the club automatically take it as a given that said player will be looking to leave? Therefore look to trade them out? How many players have held off signing and then stayed? For our club it seems 100% of players who delay signing leave.
 
Sort of off topic thought. If we (or any club) but an offer to a player to extend their contract (whether it expires this year or next) and the response comes that they'll wait until the end of the contract/year, should the club automatically take it as a given that said player will be looking to leave? Therefore look to trade them out? How many players have held off signing and then stayed? For our club it seems 100% of players who delay signing leave.

Pav did that a lot, it's a bigger problem if they request a trade with a year to run and then you don't trade them - all of those players leave when out of contract.
 
We would have to be the dumbest team in the league to trade Brodie.

Brodie was the steak knives to get Matt Johnson, I liked Will last season but if he has an offer for AFL games elsewhere then he should take it with both hands.

It all depends on the value.
 
Sort of off topic thought. If we (or any club) but an offer to a player to extend their contract (whether it expires this year or next) and the response comes that they'll wait until the end of the contract/year, should the club automatically take it as a given that said player will be looking to leave? Therefore look to trade them out? How many players have held off signing and then stayed? For our club it seems 100% of players who delay signing leave.
It feels like A LOT more doing it this year compared to normally. Quite a few players seems to be re-signing after year end. For us, yeah, if they are best 22ish and havent signed with a month left I'd just say they are gone
 
What’s with the ridiculous title from Eliza, clickiest of click bait. Thought they were better than that
That is the whole point of their role to get clicks. So the title search that comes up is over sensationalised.

Anyway I mentioned many weeks ago that I thought Will Brodie was some chance to be traded. I don’t care about what has or hasn’t happened (some strange rumours I read on his dedicated thread) the fact is and the article covers it, that they have surplus of his type. Also JOM, Erasmus and Fyfe have more strings to their bow.

My feel he will stay given two of those three are older and suffered many injuries over their afl careers.

Brodie also had an untimely and bad ankle injury just after the mid-season bye when he would have likely got a chance to get back into the team.

BUT if a decent offer came for Brodie then why not consider.
 
Brodie should be played before JOM and Ras. Why would we trade him?
If Brodie wants to play before JOM and Ras he can get out of 2nd gear at Peel like everyone else who earned their way back into the top side after getting dropped
 
That is the whole point of their role to get clicks. So the title search that comes up is over sensationalised.
Yeah I know, but codesports have generally been better than that. That title is borderline just false advertising, like anyone reading that is going to assume he's formally requested a trade
 

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Brodie was the steak knives to get Matt Johnson, I liked Will last season but if he has an offer for AFL games elsewhere then he should take it with both hands.

It all depends on the value.
I'm sorry but this is simply incorrect.

We were after Brodie for months before the idea of trading for pick 19 came about. It was just too good of an opportunity to pass up.
 
In the conversation of "who is the best AFL level midfielder not currently playing AFL who could impact from round one 2024" Will Brodie's name would be mentioned. Of all the teams who would consider themselves contending, which is going to lose a midfielder either this season or end of next year?

I would be surprised if there wasn't a club sniffing around.
 
I'm sorry but this is simply incorrect.

We were after Brodie for months before the idea of trading for pick 19 came about. It was just too good of an opportunity to pass up.

And in the final outcome of that Brodie ended up the steak knives of his own trade because the player taken with the pick that came with him took his spot in the team.
 
If Brodie wants to play before JOM and Ras he can get out of 2nd gear at Peel like everyone else who earned their way back into the top side after getting dropped
Spot on. He actually did this earlier in the year when first dropped. Came back to Peel and played very well and really hunted the ball - some of i50 kicks were exquisite. Anyway came back the week after as sub vs GC in gather round and was one of the key reasons for that win. He has had some some good games since with 30plus possessions and also not been at 100% due to ankle injury. But really he just needs to smash the door down with his form.
 

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Really not sure that inside mids that can’t play anywhere are actually “good depth” unless they’re literally next into the team as an inside mid tbh.

The salary cap doesn’t allow you to have too many depth on above average money as evidenced by one or two of our departures last year. Therefore it’s important that there’s some versatility with what depth you do have. Depth can include the best 22 moving roles tbh but it’s not ideal to move your best players from their best roles because a depth player can’t play anywhere else.

Will Brodie might’ve fallen too far back in our depth chart imo. It’d be a risk moving him on but it’d be unlikely to genuinely hurt us either short or long term imo.
 
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Will Brodie is still better depth than Erasmus. If we're contending next year and we need to bring in an inside mid, I know who I'm choosing.
 
Will Brodie is still better depth than Erasmus. If we're contending next year and we need to bring in an inside mid, I know who I'm choosing.

I don’t agree and only think Erasmus will be further ahead of him next year.
 
I don’t agree and only think Erasmus will be further ahead of him next year.
I'm yet to see anything from Erasmus that convinces me he'll be a successful footballer. Of course he is still young, and I would love to be proven wrong, but at this stage if we're playing a final I would have a lot more trust in Brodie to execute his role than Ras, even as sub.

Both have a lot to work on this off season. Brodie has been coasting since coming back from that ankle and needs a good kick up the ass. But I'm not ready to write him off just yet.
 
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