List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[wakojako]

Twomey has DeMattia at 20 and Collard at 24. We currently have pick 21 and pick 40 which will be pushed back a bit this draft. Idk how but we need to be aggressive and get ahead in this draft. Considering the fact that if we land both players our list needs will be pretty much filled, I would consider trading our F2. Perhaps we can use Henry as well?

 

[Taylor]

Twomey has DeMattia at 20 and Collard at 24. We currently have pick 21 and pick 40 which will be pushed back a bit this draft. Idk how but we need to be aggressive and get ahead in this draft. Considering the fact that if we land both players our list needs will be pretty much filled, I would consider trading our F2. Perhaps we can use Henry as well?

I think based on current picks, Collard either goes at pick #19, #21, #35, #38 or #40 (which will frustrate the Eagles as that's the last pick they can't match for him). Beyond that it's all WC.

 

[Superkoops]

I think based on current picks, Collard either goes at pick #19, #21, #35, #38 or #40 (which will frustrate the Eagles as that's the last pick they can't match for him). Beyond that it's all WC.

Can they not match 40 or is it just 41 on??

 

[s_wd6]

How does Port expect to afford all these players when their draft hand is so poor. Also wonder if it’s really in their best interest to do so.

 

[Taylor]

Can they not match 40 or is it just 41 on??

They can match from bids on pick #41.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I imagine pick 40 (if we still have it) is going forward or staying still as well. Feels like the point the picks used start to match the bids

 

[Purpleheart_56]

How does Port expect to afford all these players when their draft hand is so poor. Also wonder if it’s really in their best interest to do so.

Most are FA

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Most are FA

None are FA? Still shouldnt be that hard, they can dip into next year and none of them are particularly good

 

[Docker82]

None are FA? Still shouldnt be that hard, they can dip into next year and none of them are particularly good

Yea late 2nd rounders for the KPDs given they're out of contact.

Sweet is worth absolutely **** all.

 

[wakojako]

I think based on current picks, Collard either goes at pick #19, #21, #35, #38 or #40 (which will frustrate the Eagles as that's the last pick they can't match for him). Beyond that it's all WC.

We need a Walters replacement this year so the two players can spend time together, and so the draftee will be ready to slot straight in when Walters retires. We have the perfect replacement right in front of us and he's from WA. If the Weags will take him with 19 than we need to do what Melbourne did for Kozzie and trade up.

I also want Demattia so we need two early second round picks to go.

 

[Taylor]

Gold Coast: Walter, Read, Rogers (top 15) (#28, #31, #42, #47, #56, #60, #65, #69)
Dogs: Croft (top 20) (#17, #36, #63, #66, #71)
Hawks: McCabe (top 25) (#29, #48)
Sydney: Cleary, Cabor (top 40) (#22, #30, #41, #49)
GWS: Thomas (late second to third) (#50)

Have I missed any of the point consuming academy players?

I'm not expecting our pick #40 to get better, it might be plus seven then minus four or five.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Twomey has DeMattia at 20 and Collard at 24. We currently have pick 21 and pick 40 which will be pushed back a bit this draft. Idk how but we need to be aggressive and get ahead in this draft. Considering the fact that if we land both players our list needs will be pretty much filled, I would consider trading our F2. Perhaps we can use Henry as well?

DeMattia? Do we really need another inside mid who can play forward that's a butcher with the ball? Speed is useful, but just not sure it's enough to make it worth our while.

 

[DragoDelph]

Gold Coast: Walter, Read, Rogers (top 15) (#28, #31, #42, #47, #56, #60, #65, #69)
Dogs: Croft (top 20) (#17, #36, #63, #66, #71)
Hawks: McCabe (top 25) (#29, #48)
Sydney: Cleary, Cabor (top 40) (#22, #30, #41, #49)
GWS: Thomas (late second to third) (#50)

Have I missed any of the point consuming academy players?

I'm not expecting our pick #40 to get better, it might be plus seven then minus four or five.

Gold Coast apparently have another

Bulldogs with Croft.

 

[wakojako]

DeMattia? Do we really need another inside mid who can play forward that's a butcher with the ball? Speed is useful, but just not sure it's enough to make it worth our while.

Ball butcher is an overstatement. We are lacking speed in the midfield and I think he would complement the other mids perfectly. He is also known to kick goals which we also lack.

 

[DragoDelph]

Gold Coast apparently have another

Bulldogs with Croft.

 

[Dockeroo]

Gold Coast matching picks with points from picks in the late 50s, 60s and even 70s is totally ****ed up when about 50 players is all that will be selected this draft.
#SystemBroken

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Ball butcher is an overstatement. We are lacking speed in the midfield and I think he would complement the other mids perfectly. He is also known to kick goals which we also lack.

From what I've seen, being branded an iffy ball user by draft analysts is a bit like when someone is assessing how much cologne they have on: if you think you're wearing a bit too much you're actually drowning in it to everyone else. He's gotten that branding (AFL Draft Power Rankings: August 2023). This could be the exception, but eg guys like Raz were said to have kicking that "at times can be inconsistent", which at AFL level appears to be an understatement (Neil Erasmus).

Goals from midfield is another one where I think it's more about how we use players than how good they are. We play 8 fwds: not a lot of room for guys like Raz and Serong to play fwd, who had strong scoreboard impact as draftees and can presumably rotate fwd now.

I do see the speed thing as a potential issue he solves, but just in general not huge on the idea of getting yet another young inside mid who's not exactly top 5 draftee good when we're shoehorning our young gun inside mids on the wing as it is.

Regardless, I do get that once you get a prospect that you like it's hard to let go lol (I feel the same way about Joel Freijah).

 

[rgauci]

From what I've seen, being branded an iffy ball user by draft analysts is a bit like when someone is assessing how much cologne they have on: if you think you're wearing a bit too much you're actually drowning in it to everyone else. He's gotten that branding (AFL Draft Power Rankings: August 2023). This could be the exception, but eg guys like Raz were said to have kicking that "at times can be inconsistent", which at AFL level appears to be an understatement (Neil Erasmus).

Goals from midfield is another one where I think it's more about how we use players than how good they are. We play 8 fwds: not a lot of room for guys like Raz and Serong to play fwd, who had strong scoreboard impact as draftees and can presumably rotate fwd now.

I do see the speed thing as a potential issue he solves, but just in general not huge on the idea of getting yet another young inside mid who's not exactly top 5 draftee good when we're shoehorning our young gun inside mids on the wing as it is.

Regardless, I do get that once you get a prospect that you like it's hard to let go lol (I feel the same way about Joel Freijah).

We are one of the only teams in the league to play so many specialist small forwards; Schultz, Walters, Frederick, Switkowski and sometimes Sturt too.

Freddy can play the wing occasionally and Switta can go onball, but it’s way too many.

 

[Dockeroo]

We are one of the only teams in the league to play so many specialist small forwards; Schultz, Walters, Frederick, Switkowski and sometimes Sturt too.

Freddy can play the wing occasionally and Switta can go onball, but it’s way too many.

Ya it’s a reasonable point. Pundits like Xav Ellis are adamant that it’s very very hard to kick a lot of goals on a consistent basis when you rely on small forwards to score so much. If Treacy could get himself up to the 30 goals mark next year along with Jackson it makes a massive difference IMO

 

[Ge3ks]

This Collard kid is gaining attention. Looks like a 1st rounder now.

An exciting small forward from Western Australia is coming with a rush, yet his draft range remains one of this year’s biggest curiosities.

Subiaco goalkicker – and West Coast Next Generation Academy prospect – Lance Collard has given AFL scouts ample to think about after a stunning back-end to his draft year at WAFL colts level, booting 10 goals in two finals.

Collard set up Subiaco’s elimination final win over West Perth a fortnight ago, booting five of his team’s first seven goals – including the first four across the first quarter and a half. Then on Saturday, he almost dragged Subi over the line again, booting another five goals from eight disposals in a nine-point semi-final loss to East Fremantle.

The 18-year-old finished his WAFL colts campaign with 32 goals from 11 games to sit third on the competition goalkicking table – although his average of 2.9 majors per outing ranked first – after his 2022 campaign was hindered by injury.

Collard had just one standout performance – 2.2 against Vic Country – in a quiet national carnival for WA a few months ago, although clubs were sympathetic to the fact he had asked to spend more time with his family during that period.

Some recruiters believe Collard is the most talented WA player this year – a pool that includes an array of possible first-round prospects.

Collard, who grew up a Fremantle supporter, is tied to the Eagles via their Next Generation Academy. Yet West Coast can only match a bid on him if it lands outside the top 40 picks.

One recruiter suggested to foxfooty.com.au Collard’s selection range was “one of the great mysteries of the draft” this year.

Collard is supremely gifted on the footy field, blessed with an enormous leap, electric speed and great goal nous, while his return at WAFL colts level and defensive pressure improvement is undeniable. On talent alone, according to some scouts, he’s truly worthy of being selected inside the top 40 – which would see the Eagles lose access to him, unless they pick him directly.

But recruiters during the year also would’ve liked to have seen Collard spend more time outside the 50m arc and get involved up the field at colts level. There’s also a view that whichever team drafts him would need to take a long-term approach to help maximise his immense talent at the top level.

Collard is one of 12 WA-based players to be invited to October’s national combine.

What front-runner for Suns pick could be willing to trade; clubs could miss academy guns: AFL Draft Watch

What front-runner for top pick is willing to trade; ‘mystery’ as duo could miss stars: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[wakojako]

From what I've seen, being branded an iffy ball user by draft analysts is a bit like when someone is assessing how much cologne they have on: if you think you're wearing a bit too much you're actually drowning in it to everyone else. He's gotten that branding (AFL Draft Power Rankings: August 2023). This could be the exception, but eg guys like Raz were said to have kicking that "at times can be inconsistent", which at AFL level appears to be an understatement (Neil Erasmus).

Goals from midfield is another one where I think it's more about how we use players than how good they are. We play 8 fwds: not a lot of room for guys like Raz and Serong to play fwd, who had strong scoreboard impact as draftees and can presumably rotate fwd now.

I do see the speed thing as a potential issue he solves, but just in general not huge on the idea of getting yet another young inside mid who's not exactly top 5 draftee good when we're shoehorning our young gun inside mids on the wing as it is.

Regardless, I do get that once you get a prospect that you like it's hard to let go lol (I feel the same way about Joel Freijah).

There just isn't much speed available at our picks otherwise I wouldn't be so attached

For me the goal is to replace JOM and have a backup for Ras in case he doesn't come on. You can generally afford to have one shit kick in your mid especially if they bring attributes your other midfielders don't have.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This Collard kid is gaining attention. Looks like a 1st rounder now.

An exciting small forward from Western Australia is coming with a rush, yet his draft range remains one of this year’s biggest curiosities.

Subiaco goalkicker – and West Coast Next Generation Academy prospect – Lance Collard has given AFL scouts ample to think about after a stunning back-end to his draft year at WAFL colts level, booting 10 goals in two finals.

Collard set up Subiaco’s elimination final win over West Perth a fortnight ago, booting five of his team’s first seven goals – including the first four across the first quarter and a half. Then on Saturday, he almost dragged Subi over the line again, booting another five goals from eight disposals in a nine-point semi-final loss to East Fremantle.

The 18-year-old finished his WAFL colts campaign with 32 goals from 11 games to sit third on the competition goalkicking table – although his average of 2.9 majors per outing ranked first – after his 2022 campaign was hindered by injury.

Collard had just one standout performance – 2.2 against Vic Country – in a quiet national carnival for WA a few months ago, although clubs were sympathetic to the fact he had asked to spend more time with his family during that period.

Some recruiters believe Collard is the most talented WA player this year – a pool that includes an array of possible first-round prospects.

Collard, who grew up a Fremantle supporter, is tied to the Eagles via their Next Generation Academy. Yet West Coast can only match a bid on him if it lands outside the top 40 picks.

One recruiter suggested to foxfooty.com.au Collard’s selection range was “one of the great mysteries of the draft” this year.

Collard is supremely gifted on the footy field, blessed with an enormous leap, electric speed and great goal nous, while his return at WAFL colts level and defensive pressure improvement is undeniable. On talent alone, according to some scouts, he’s truly worthy of being selected inside the top 40 – which would see the Eagles lose access to him, unless they pick him directly.

But recruiters during the year also would’ve liked to have seen Collard spend more time outside the 50m arc and get involved up the field at colts level. There’s also a view that whichever team drafts him would need to take a long-term approach to help maximise his immense talent at the top level.

Collard is one of 12 WA-based players to be invited to October’s national combine.

What front-runner for Suns pick could be willing to trade; clubs could miss academy guns: AFL Draft Watch

What front-runner for top pick is willing to trade; ‘mystery’ as duo could miss stars: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

The Dogs looking at giving up 10, 17 AND a future 1st (with something back). That's absolutely nutty

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Also, if that trade happens, pick 10 becomes possibly gettable without giving up a future 1st which would be pretty appetising

 

[Purple Jesus]

At least this year we're not losing a top 10/5 doig medal player.

 

[s_wd6]

At least this year we're not losing a top 10/5 doig medal player.

That we know of