List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Square Peg]

Invitie Liam to train, get Caleb's signature. Mission accomplished

 

[Purple Suit]

Ha, you'll hear everything on here. Two years ago Freo thought the opposite of the mid season draft when they didn't use a pick!

Nothing wrong with keeping your options open, especially if neither are going to get picked up by another club or you don't mind too much if they do, and they're very unlikely to crack a game anyway with the depth of Freo's list currently.

Why not have a crack? Why not leave it open. Six on one, half a dozen the other. From a risk mitigation point of view their position makes perfect sense.

We've currently just got too many options and not enough spots in the AFL or even Peel to fill. If they use the pick on another project that isn't a screaming find then they have an extra debate to have even week on another player to leave in WAFL ressies.

We're just saving some coin even if it is bugger all.

 

[Eski3]

Ha, you'll hear everything on here. Two years ago Freo thought the opposite of the mid season draft when they didn't use a pick!

Nothing wrong with keeping your options open, especially if neither are going to get picked up by another club or you don't mind too much if they do, and they're very unlikely to crack a game anyway with the depth of Freo's list currently.

Why not have a crack? Why not leave it open. Six on one, half a dozen the other. From a risk mitigation point of view their position makes perfect sense.

Having a pick in the MSD and then not using it makes even less sense, as there is literally nothing to hold the spot open for. At the time I didn't think it was that big of a deal as there clearly wasn't anyone quality available for us for that 6 month period, but it just highlighted how we probably should have used an SSP signing rather than keeping it open for a MSD pick. Also some people on here got weirdly attached to Jackson Callow

 

[mightymouse75]

We've currently just got too many options and not enough spots in the AFL or even Peel to fill. If they use the pick on another project that isn't a screaming find then they have an extra debate to have even week on another player to leave in WAFL ressies.

We're just saving some coin even if it is bugger all.

Or are they waiting for somebody to blow everyone away ?
A Michael Barlow revelation?

 

[Eski3]

I'm a bit confused by this theory that we keep a spot open for a long term injury. Wouldn't a long term injury open up a spot for an MSD pick anyway?

 

[Docker82]

My view was already that we had enough forward depth on the list for 2023. It’s just the quality that was a concern. If the club doesn’t think these guys will either be in contention for best 22 (Stubbs) or make it long term (Serong/Stubbs) I don’t see why we’d put them on the list.

Let’s look at what we’ve got:

Best 22:

Switkowski Taberner Frederick
Schultz Amiss Walters
Fyfe, Jackson

Second 22:

Colyer Treacy Sturt
Banfield Corbett Emmett
Reidy, Kuek

It’s already more than enough with eight potential forwards named for both the best 22 and a second 22.

We’re much shorter for numbers in both the midfield and backline. Thing is I’m much more confident in players like Erasmus, Johnson, Wilson and Hughes stepping up if required. Hamling as well if he stays fit.

Very limited depth needed on the surface of things but like always too many injuries to multiple players that play the same role could have us in trouble. Not sure pick 10+ in the MSD is actually going to solve that problem tbh. If we don’t need it this season maybe we go with a mature aged depth that we’ll need in 2024.

 

[DQ 4EVER]

My personal view is from the players' perspective
These 2 blokes were essentially teased with a spot, then that spot was taken away

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[Square Peg]

My personal view is from the players' perspective
These 2 blokes were essentially teased with a spot, then that spot was taken away

On SM-G960F using BigFooty.com mobile app

It's a cut throat business. I guess if they don't want to roll the dice and put themselves through the rollercoaster they can decline the opportunity as a train on

 

[One_Wing]

My personal view is from the players' perspective
These 2 blokes were essentially teased with a spot, then that spot was taken away

On SM-G960F using BigFooty.com mobile app

Its still a valuable experience

 

[Docker82]

It's a cut throat business. I guess if they don't want to roll the dice and put themselves through the rollercoaster they can decline the opportunity as a train on

One of them was always going to miss out. Both players already knew there was a chance they missed out before they accepted the opportunity.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Invitie Liam to train, get Caleb's signature. Mission accomplished

We already have Caleb's signature...

 

[wakojako]

My view was already that we had enough forward depth on the list for 2023. It’s just the quality that was a concern. If the club doesn’t think these guys will either be in contention for best 22 (Stubbs) or make it long term (Serong/Stubbs) I don’t see why we’d put them on the list.

Let’s look at what we’ve got:

Best 22:

Switkowski Taberner Frederick
Schultz Amiss Walters
Fyfe, Jackson

Second 22:

Colyer Treacy Sturt
Banfield Corbett Emmett
Reidy, Kuek

It’s already more than enough with eight potential forwards named for both the best 22 and a second 22.

We’re much shorter for numbers in both the midfield and backline. Thing is I’m much more confident in players like Erasmus, Johnson, Wilson and Hughes stepping up if required. Hamling as well if he stays fit.

Very limited depth needed on the surface of things but like always too many injuries to multiple players that play the same role could have us in trouble. Not sure pick 10+ in the MSD is actually going to solve that problem tbh. If we don’t need it this season maybe we go with a mature aged depth that we’ll need in 2024.

Lol forward depth means nothing if our forwardline doesn't perform. The more competition for spots the better.

 

[Square Peg]

We already have Caleb's signature...

Yes but did we have it when we invited Liam to train on?

 

[Purple Jesus]

Yes but did we have it when we invited Liam to train on?View attachment 1606394

 

[mattis117]

My personal view is from the players' perspective
These 2 blokes were essentially teased with a spot, then that spot was taken away

On SM-G960F using BigFooty.com mobile app

That's called life buddy

 

[Docker82]

Lol forward depth means nothing if our forwardline doesn't perform. The more competition for spots the better.

Our best 22 forwards all perform at an okay level imo. No one there is a terrible footballer and no one there is in the competition’s elite. It’s clearly not good enough to win a flag without improvement. I’m not sure what adding more depth is going to solve that issue tbh. The benefits that come from having forward depth is already there from the numbers/players we have.

We’re talking a player that averaged less than two goals a game at WAFL level last year. I’d back any forward in the best 22 to match that easily.

The other player we’re talking about likely would’ve played WAFL Reserves most of the season.

We have enough quantity. It’s about quality. If the club doesn’t think they’re quality then there’s no requirement to pick them anyway, as evidenced by today’s decision.

 

[Ge3ks]

I was quietly hoping Liam would get the gig. A tall Serong woulda been cool, but maybe our Caleb is truly exceptional, even among his own blood brothers.

 

[Demons09]

Win win for me personally was going to line up for one of the sides i support.

 

[freo_leo29]

My personal view is from the players' perspective
These 2 blokes were essentially teased with a spot, then that spot was taken away

On SM-G960F using BigFooty.com mobile app

There was only ever one spot anyway so they knew it was always a chance of missing out

 

[theGav56]

I was quietly hoping Liam would get the gig. A tall Serong woulda been cool, but maybe our Caleb is truly exceptional, even among his own blood brothers.

That's what Geelong thought about the Abletts.

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

Could we be doing a “jai culley”?

We don’t have a first next year. Maybe a mid season pick gets us a late blooming over ager


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[freodog]

But hopefully we are well down the list when we get a MSD.

If we are looking to cover an injury in the MSD we are likely to have someone on the long term injury list and therefore a spot free anyway

 

[freo_leo29]

Could we be doing a “jai culley”?

We don’t have a first next year. Maybe a mid season pick gets us a late blooming over ager


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Bloody hope we aren't doing a jai Culley

Means we are in the bottom 4 midway through the season

 

[Docker82]

But hopefully we are well down the list when we get a MSD.

If we are looking to cover an injury in the MSD we are likely to have someone on the long term injury list and therefore a spot free anyway

Ideally we look at what we’ll need depth wise in 2024 and a guy in their early 20s on the list early. Another injury riddled year for Hamling and a KPD is on the cards.

Even better there’s somehow a player available that can contribute more significantly.

Hard to judge except for 2019 really but the 19 year olds from the MSD didn’t seem to work out. A few older guys have. Have a feeling high selections in 2021 and 2022 might work though.

 

[Superkoops]

Generally speaking the majority of 18/19 year olds that miss the ND, do so for a reason. We found this out with O’Reilly. There have been heaps of other examples of that age bracket selected in the MSD that were soon after delisted.

The most successful MSD picks were those mature agers ready to go. Now mature age could be 21/22 or older. We often pull the trigger on these in the ND (Hayden Ballantine, Luke Ryan, Lachie Schulz, Emmett etc) or in the RD (Mick Barlow, Bailey Banfield

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Bailey Banfield

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.9

5star

MG

175.5

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.8

4star

MG

109.5

2star

D

14.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

MG

200.4

4star

).

If we make a selection I hope it is someone who can step in and play straight away. That could be Stubbs or could be someone else. Best age bracket is around 21-25.