List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Polo342]

I still firmly believe we should trade Darcy. Yeah I get that he is a gun and its not great for culture purposes, but we have other needs atm.

1. Amiss needs help. We need that other Key Forward who is capable of taking a contested grab.
2. Close to 2 million in rucks is a bit meh
3. I just wonder if this forward line is capable of kicking a winning score against the best teams in the comp.

Again yeah it would suck to lose him but he is our only real tradable bargaining chip atm.

 

[Taylor]

I don't think there's any difference between Freo paying two of our highest impact players a large total combined when they are both tall or both in the stoppages.

Fyfe and Walters would have been over 2m combined for a while back there and it wasn't a problem, and I think both Darcy and Jackson combined will only be around 1.5 to 1.6 anyway

 

[Lach72]

If you watched the RUCK in isolation, Williams beat Jackson. Jackson had some beautiful taps, but if the Eagles had a midfield that was vaguely competent we may have been in trouble.

Jackson’s actual rucking is over rated. His leap is overstated, the other ruck, particularly if they are a jumping ruck, usually beats him.
That’s a massive concern for me.

He is great when the ball hits the deck however.
I don’t think trading Darcy is the answer tbh. If he wants to go that’s a different story

 

[Ge3ks]

Darcy has to stay. He is our #1 ruck. He owns in the ruck. Jackson is the wild unicorn. Let him run free. Play on instinct. There is none like him, and he shouldn't be shackled to the ruck position.

 

[Polo342]

I don't think there's any difference between Freo paying two of our highest impact players a large total combined when they are both tall or both in the stoppages.

Fyfe and Walters would have been over 2m combined for a while back there and it wasn't a problem, and I think both Darcy and Jackson combined will only be around 1.5 to 1.6 anyway

Its not a problem but do we actually have enough cap space left to target the list needs if we sign him on big money?

I mean yeah we could target the list needs in the draft but will they be hitting their straps by the time we are challenging which should realistically be 2025

 

[Mags98]

I still firmly believe we should trade Darcy. Yeah I get that he is a gun and its not great for culture purposes, but we have other needs atm.

1. Amiss needs help. We need that other Key Forward who is capable of taking a contested grab.
2. Close to 2 million in rucks is a bit meh
3. I just wonder if this forward line is capable of kicking a winning score against the best teams in the comp.

Again yeah it would suck to lose him but he is our only real tradable bargaining chip atm.

with darcy in the ruck jackson is that other key forward that can help out, jackson does his best work on the move, gathering loose balls or leading up to the footy, let’s not waste his impact by putting him against 100kg giants week in week out


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[Lach72]

Its not a problem but do we actually have enough cap space left to target the list needs if we sign him on big money?

I mean yeah we could target the list needs in the draft but will they be hitting their straps by the time we are challenging which should realistically be 2025

Jye Amiss is going to kick 40 goals in his second year. It can happen
This is a wholistic build. The list is very young. I don’t think we need to sell the farm for an immediate fix tbh

 

[Taylor]

Its not a problem but do we actually have enough cap space left to target the list needs if we sign him on big money?

I mean yeah we could target the list needs in the draft but will they be hitting their straps by the time we are challenging which should realistically be 2025

I think we barely have a quarter to a third of the list contracted beyond the next two years so salary cap isn't really an issue if you're comfortable throwing a long term deal at a player we really need

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Winning ruck taps is overrated - See Sandilands entire career as proof.

Jackson has incredible follow-up work on the ground which distinguishes him from Darcy. If Darcy wants 800k etc.. then we have to trade him.

 

[Taylor]

Winning ruck taps is overrated - See Sandilands entire career as proof.

Jackson has incredible follow-up work on the ground which distinguishes him from Darcy. If Darcy wants 800k etc.. then we have to trade him.

When Darcy is in form he is also one of our better clearance players, as was Sandi, as is Jackson.

 

[Taylor]

Sandilands was also one of the highest paid players in the competition for a while, when that vet list half outside the cap rule was in effect.

 

[Polo342]

Jye Amiss is going to kick 40 goals in his second year. It can happen
This is a wholistic build. The list is very young. I don’t think we need to sell the farm for an immediate fix tbh

Amiss is gonna be a deadset gun, but he needs some help. Another Key Forward that is capable of kicking 40 goals

 

[rgauci]

I still firmly believe we should trade Darcy. Yeah I get that he is a gun and its not great for culture purposes, but we have other needs atm.

1. Amiss needs help. We need that other Key Forward who is capable of taking a contested grab.
2. Close to 2 million in rucks is a bit meh
3. I just wonder if this forward line is capable of kicking a winning score against the best teams in the comp.

Again yeah it would suck to lose him but he is our only real tradable bargaining chip atm.

I 100% disagree with this.

Jackson / Treacy / Amiss is the trio forward of centre which is nearly unstoppable and compliment each other perfectly.

Why hunt for a key forward when Jackson is the perfect forward who can ruck and occasionally play as a mid? Sometimes the grass is not greener.

Darcy / Jackson / Amiss / Treacy is perfect IMO. Better than Jackson / Naughton / Amiss / Treacy.

Don’t be fooled by Jackson’s form the last 2 weeks playing full time ruck. He won’t often come against Darcy Fort and Bailey Williams without any decent backup. He got spanked by Nankervis and Briggs (? - the GWS giant). We need Darcy to monster these blokes.

Amiss / Treacy / Jackson / Schultz / Sturt / Frederick is plenty of forward half talent. Haven’t even mentioned Walters / Switkowski etc.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

When Darcy is in form he is also one of our better clearance players, as was Sandi, as is Jackson.

Doesn't do it enough to justify some of the rumoured numbers. 600k for Darcy is fine. 800k or more is not good fiscal management.

 

[s_wd6]

I 100% disagree with this.

Jackson / Treacy / Amiss is the trio forward of centre which is nearly unstoppable and compliment each other perfectly.

Why hunt for a key forward when Jackson is the perfect forward who can ruck and occasionally play as a mid? Sometimes the grass is not greener.

Darcy / Jackson / Amiss / Treacy is perfect IMO. Better than Jackson / Naughton / Amiss / Treacy.

Don’t be fooled by Jackson’s form the last 2 weeks playing full time mid. He won’t often come against Darcy Fort and Bailey Williams without any decent backup. He got spanked by Nankervis and Briggs (? - the GWS giant). We need Darcy to monster these blokes.

Amiss / Treacy / Jackson / Schultz / Sturt / Frederick is plenty of forward half talent. Haven’t even mentioned Walters / Switkowski etc.

Exactly. People seem to forget how much we missed Darcy earlier in the year. Jackson is looking better because he's playing against second grade rucks. Keeping him in the ruck limits the impact he can have over the ground. He played some great games earlier in the year where Darcy was rucking, and he was kicking bags and being influential all over the ground. Keeping Darcy means we can still dominate stoppages, and Jackson is a lot more free to impact all over the ground. He can still play on ball and have the same clearance impact with Darcy in the ruck, but he can also go forward and add an extra 2/3 goals to the side, and more if it means he brings the ball to ground, pressures in our forward 50 etc.

 

[wahooo]

I still firmly believe we should trade Darcy. Yeah I get that he is a gun and its not great for culture purposes, but we have other needs atm.

1. Amiss needs help. We need that other Key Forward who is capable of taking a contested grab.
2. Close to 2 million in rucks is a bit meh
3. I just wonder if this forward line is capable of kicking a winning score against the best teams in the comp.

Again yeah it would suck to lose him but he is our only real tradable bargaining chip atm.

Georgiades can bloody well take a grab. He'd be perfect to pair with Amiss and would come on the cheap. Think he's perfect for us in that it provides a bit of competition for Sturt and Treacy and there's so much upside.

I think people forget that before his kicking woes in 22/23 the bloke kicked 32 goals in his second season. He's no slouch.

Keep Darcy. Let Jackson roam. Grab Georgiades. Sign Henry. Let Walls and co do the rest.

 

[Polo342]

I 100% disagree with this.

Jackson / Treacy / Amiss is the trio forward of centre which is nearly unstoppable and compliment each other perfectly.

Why hunt for a key forward when Jackson is the perfect forward who can ruck and occasionally play as a mid? Sometimes the grass is not greener.

Darcy / Jackson / Amiss / Treacy is perfect IMO. Better than Jackson / Naughton / Amiss / Treacy.

Don’t be fooled by Jackson’s form the last 2 weeks playing full time mid. He won’t often come against Darcy Fort and Bailey Williams without any decent backup. He got spanked by Nankervis and Briggs (? - the GWS giant). We need Darcy to monster these blokes.

Amiss / Treacy / Jackson / Schultz / Sturt / Frederick is plenty of forward half talent. Haven’t even mentioned Walters / Switkowski etc.

I mean I get it but is Treacy ever going to be that 2-3 goal a game forward when he struggles to even get 1 a game now?

Also I would have thought our forward line is the worst of all positions talent wise. I suppose its just my oppinion though

 

[mightymouse75]

How did we go with all those years of Sandi dominance.
All the good teams would shark his midfielders.
As great as sani was.

 

[rgauci]

Georgiades can bloody well take a grab. He'd be perfect to pair with Amiss and would come on the cheap. Think he's perfect for us in that it provides a bit of competition for Sturt and Treacy and there's so much upside.

I think people forget that before his kicking woes in 22/23 the bloke kicked 32 goals in his second season. He's no slouch.

Keep Darcy. Let Jackson roam. Grab Georgiades. Sign Henry. Let Walls and co do the rest.

Georgiades is great inside 50m, BUT don’t forget he was dropped before doing his ACL. His kicking inside 50 was quite atrocious and he lacked the tank to go up the ground for significant periods. To me, he is too alike to Amiss for them to work together. I think they would be a bad pairing. Both commanding the deep role inside 50m.

Don’t move away from it, it’s Jackson, Amiss and Treacy. Darcy as 1st ruck.

 

[rgauci]

How did we go with all those years of Sandi dominance.
All the good teams would shark his midfielders.
As great as sani was.

It was different when we got Fyfe and could take advantage. We’ve got Young, Serong, Brayshaw now. It’s starting to hum.

 

[blue shark]

I mean I get it but is Treacy ever going to be that 2-3 goal a game forward when he struggles to even get 1 a game now?

Also I would have thought our forward line is the worst of all positions talent wise. I suppose its just my oppinion though

Very soon we will need to replace Sonny and Switta. Switta isn’t going to be a reliable goal kicker.
I think we can improve the numbers with a couple of decent small forwards.
We will look better without the makeshift players.
A Collard, Sanchez, Muir, and we start to look dangerous as a collective unit.
Smart drafting and players with valued picks.
I just don’t see how we get another quality tall with the hand we have delt?

 

[Polo342]

Very soon we will need to replace Sonny and Switta. Switta isn’t going to be a reliable goal kicker.
I think we can improve the numbers with a couple of decent small forwards.
We will look better without the makeshift players.
A Collard, Sanchez, Muir, and we start to look dangerous as a collective unit.
Smart drafting and players with valued picks.
I just don’t see how we get another quality tall with the hand we have delt?

I suppose we could go all out and trade Pick 22 odd plus our future first for GC’s first this year and hope Daniel Curtain will make it as a key Forward

 

[Lach72]

It all doesn’t have to happen this year.
We can take a good small forward or two this year then take a MF next year

 

[Ysaye]

“One of the absolute contenders” for the No.1 pick in the 2023 draft

"His kicking on both feet like nothing you’ve ever seen before."

www.sen.com.au

Twomey last year....says Pick 1
Now he is not in TOP 40. Is Moir out of form ? or not up to it? Either way it may be better to take him with our second pick if he slides?

IMO there is a chance he does not get picked up at all in the national draft.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I’m not for trading Darcy, but I will keep playing devils advocate. Jackson might never dominate ruck contests against the big boys but in a couple of years that will be irrelevant where he just absolutely annihilates them after the tap. He’s not winning many taps the last few weeks but his hitout to advantage ratio (more important) is insane and it’s the follow up that matters and which leads to the clearance.

I want to see Jackson the midfielder more to be certain that his unreal athleticism still matters when played against a mid rather than a ruck. His athleticism is accentuated against the big boys who can’t get near him.

One thing I’ll actually be steadfast on is I think it’s a complete and utter waste having him up forward for anything more than a small rest. His goals have been as much from rucking / playing as a mid as they have been a tall forward. We need him on and around the ball with a Fyfe level offensive license as much as humanly possible