List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Ge3ks]

How much scope do you think Josh has to improve his game next year and beyond?

My 2cents. It is his marking holding him back, and that can be improved, because gets in the right position. If he can clunk a mark more often, then he easily exceeds Tabs. Josh has just the right amount of mongrel that you need in a forward. And at 21, he already has a better footy brain than our dear Tabs.

 

[wakojako]

My 2cents. It is his marking holding him back, and that can be improved, because gets in the right position. If he can clunk a mark more often, then he easily exceeds Tabs. Josh has just the right amount of mongrel that you need in a forward. And at 21, he already has a better footy brain than our dear Tabs.

People need to be less harsh on the cyclone, he is only a category 2 atm (21 and has played 34 games). Key Forwards take time to develop, just look at Fogarty. Ever since Darcy was injured, Treacy has been rucking and playing up the ground more so of course he is going to score less. Yes he has things he needs to work on, but we just need to keep pumping games into him. He will eventually get to category 5 and average 1.5 a season.

 

[Outshined]

We finally have a talented core of young KPF targets who are beginning to develop chemistry and will only continue to improve next season.

Let's not mess with that.

 

[Carnthedockers]

Any Henry or Darcy Intel ?

We don’t want to trade Darcy, he will re sign. Henry has been making positive noises, but still no certainty.

 

[Ge3ks]

We don’t want to trade Darcy, he will re sign. Henry has been making positive noises, but still no certainty.

Love the sound of this. Retaining both is by far the best outcome.

 

[Madas]

We don’t want to trade Darcy, he will re sign. Henry has been making positive noises, but still no certainty.

Awesome news and fingers crossed on Henry
Thanks so much

 

[Freoforever86]

How much scope do you think Josh has to improve his game next year and beyond?

It’s hard to say. Improvement is rarely linear. I think with Darcy back in and Jackson forward with Amiss, id like to see 20+ goals from Treacy.

As a poster said above, his marking (heavy hands) is holding him back atm.

My only point through all this, is I don’t think he’s a Locked in best 22 guy. I could say the same about plenty of others too.

 

[GingerDocker]

It’s hard to say. Improvement is rarely linear. I think with Darcy back in and Jackson forward with Amiss, id like to see 20+ goals from Treacy.

As a poster said above, his marking (heavy hands) is holding him back atm.

My only point through all this, is I don’t think he’s a Locked in best 22 guy. I could say the same about plenty of others too.

The thing with Treacy is that although he has had those marking issues, he's had moments both in the WAFL and in the big leagues when he has absolutely clunked them, clean as a whistle.

This tells me the ability to be a one-grabber is there, it's just going to take a bit more time to come out.

 

[Sweetback]

My sense is that Amiss, Sturt and co play with added confidence knowing Treacy has their back.

Pretty hard not to like a wrecking ball making space for you. He’s definitely a confidence player though. His marking improves when he’s ‘on’.

 

[GingerDocker]

Anyone who's played footy, knows it's a great feeling to have a team mate who plays in your vicinity who loves throwing his weight around.

 

[Freoforever86]

The thing with Treacy is that although he has had those marking issues, he's had moments both in the WAFL and in the big leagues when he has absolutely clunked them, clean as a whistle.

This tells me the ability to be a one-grabber is there, it's just going to take a bit more time to come out.

Hope so!

 

[DQ 4EVER]

I'm a big fan of Collard, he's got the Shai Bolton's about him, having watched both of them in Colts footy at the same age.

here's where i own up to having nfi at times
i'm a firm believer of - you can say yes after 1 game, but you can't say no - not sure if that is a thing, but that is my thing
however i have a zero idea confession here
i say Shai Bolton in a VFL grand final, live at Marvel & after that I was convinced he was an absolute bust. I'm a South Freo guy, so I was hoping for star qualities, but saw absolutely zero!!! i wouldn't have given a 4th rounder for him.
2 years later.
boy, was i wrong!
so if he is at all like Shai, I say yes

 

[Dockeroo]

I'm a big fan of Collard, he's got the Shai Bolton's about him, having watched both of them in Colts footy at the same age.

Is Collard an indigenous kid?

 

[Alfonz]

Is Collard an indigenous kid?

Yes, and he is in West Coast's NGA. I hope someone (and will be happy if it is us) takes him in the top 40. As a South supporter, it feels wrong that a Collard is playing for Subiaco. West Coast would be a double whammy.

 

[mike91]

We don’t want to trade Darcy, he will re sign. Henry has been making positive noises, but still no certainty.

Love the intel mate. Any idea if we're chasing anybody and if so, who?

Hopefully Sharp is still interested, low risk, less trade value, decent potential reward

 

[Dirty_banchez]

I haven't seen Collard, but I reckon we should take him.

 

[Spirit Level]

Fwd lines are a sun of parts (mostly) rather than being just a place for individuals.

We now have Amiss, Treacy, Jackson and Sturt who have very different skill sets and compliment each other perfectly.

Treacy is excellent at creating space, bringing his teammates into the game and crashing packs and taking the odd pack hanger (not to mention he can casually slot them from 50)

He offers so much to the fwd line dynamic and they're only going to build more and more chemisty with games and preseasons.

Why would we ever want to mess with that?

 

[Purple Jesus]

here's where i own up to having nfi at times
i'm a firm believer of - you can say yes after 1 game, but you can't say no - not sure if that is a thing, but that is my thing
however i have a zero idea confession here
i say Shai Bolton in a VFL grand final, live at Marvel & after that I was convinced he was an absolute bust. I'm a South Freo guy, so I was hoping for star qualities, but saw absolutely zero!!! i wouldn't have given a 4th rounder for him.
2 years later.
boy, was i wrong!
so if he is at all like Shai, I say yes

See! Yyou can admit when yyou're wrong!

 

[Dockeroo]

Fwd lines are a sun of parts (mostly) rather than being just a place for individuals.

We now have Amiss, Treacy, Jackson and Sturt who have very different skill sets and compliment each other perfectly.

Treacy is excellent at creating space, bringing his teammates into the game and crashing packs and taking the odd pack hanger (not to mention he can casually slot them from 50)

He offers so much to the fwd line dynamic and they're only going to build more and more chemisty with games and preseasons.

Why would we ever want to mess with that?

This is true to an extent but how I judge our team, or even say, our forward unit or midfield group, is by how they compare to the best sides in the comp that will be contending when we are.
Or even more specifically, how they compare to other sides in a similar phase of development to ourselves.
For example I’m not to stressed how we stack up in comparison to Geelong or Richmond or West coast. Even Collingwood and Brisbane are more mature sides that might find their window closing pretty fast, both have lots of players over 30.
We likely won’t be playing high stakes finals from 2025-2029 against those teams.
We should be comparing instead to teams like Adelaide, Sydney, GWS, Hawthorn, possibly even Gold Coast if they can get their act together. I would add north but they seem completely unable to develop the vast amount of high draft picks already there.

I would not say we have the best set of forwards out of that group of teams. I think we definitely need to improve it, to get to a point where we are not just contending, but actually winning.
In saying that I think the gaps are in our small forward group as opposed to our talls. The emergence of Sturt has added a second medium/tall option that can hopefully be relied on to kick goals consistently in addition to Amiss.
The Sonny Walters replacement is what bothers me. Pickett would have been perfect.

 

[rgauci]

This is true to an extent but how I judge our team, or even say, our forward unit or midfield group, is by how they compare to the best sides in the comp that will be contending when we are.
Or even more specifically, how they compare to other sides in a similar phase of development to ourselves.
For example I’m not to stressed how we stack up in comparison to Geelong or Richmond or West coast. Even Collingwood and Brisbane are more mature sides that might find their window closing pretty fast, both have lots of players over 30.
We likely won’t be playing high stakes finals from 2025-2029 against those teams.
We should be comparing instead to teams like Adelaide, Sydney, GWS, Hawthorn, possibly even Gold Coast if they can get their act together. I would add north but they seem completely unable to develop the vast amount of high draft picks already there.

I would not say we have the best set of forwards out of that group of teams. I think we definitely need to improve it, to get to a point where we are not just contending, but actually winning.
In saying that I think the gaps are in our small forward group as opposed to our talls. The emergence of Sturt has added a second medium/tall option that can hopefully be relied on to kick goals consistently in addition to Amiss.
The Sonny Walters replacement is what bothers me. Pickett would have been perfect.

This is a great post, I 100% agree with comparing to the teams we’ll compete against. I’ll add Port because they are very young. If you take Adelaide and remove Taylor Walker (he won’t play forever), how much better are they?

 

[Vimal Anand]

This is true to an extent but how I judge our team, or even say, our forward unit or midfield group, is by how they compare to the best sides in the comp that will be contending when we are.
Or even more specifically, how they compare to other sides in a similar phase of development to ourselves.
For example I’m not to stressed how we stack up in comparison to Geelong or Richmond or West coast. Even Collingwood and Brisbane are more mature sides that might find their window closing pretty fast, both have lots of players over 30.
We likely won’t be playing high stakes finals from 2025-2029 against those teams.
We should be comparing instead to teams like Adelaide, Sydney, GWS, Hawthorn, possibly even Gold Coast if they can get their act together. I would add north but they seem completely unable to develop the vast amount of high draft picks already there.

I would not say we have the best set of forwards out of that group of teams. I think we definitely need to improve it, to get to a point where we are not just contending, but actually winning.
In saying that I think the gaps are in our small forward group as opposed to our talls. The emergence of Sturt has added a second medium/tall option that can hopefully be relied on to kick goals consistently in addition to Amiss.
The Sonny Walters replacement is what bothers me. Pickett would have been perfect.

Very good post

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[Superkoops]

This is true to an extent but how I judge our team, or even say, our forward unit or midfield group, is by how they compare to the best sides in the comp that will be contending when we are.
Or even more specifically, how they compare to other sides in a similar phase of development to ourselves.
For example I’m not to stressed how we stack up in comparison to Geelong or Richmond or West coast. Even Collingwood and Brisbane are more mature sides that might find their window closing pretty fast, both have lots of players over 30.
We likely won’t be playing high stakes finals from 2025-2029 against those teams.
We should be comparing instead to teams like Adelaide, Sydney, GWS, Hawthorn, possibly even Gold Coast if they can get their act together. I would add north but they seem completely unable to develop the vast amount of high draft picks already there.

I would not say we have the best set of forwards out of that group of teams. I think we definitely need to improve it, to get to a point where we are not just contending, but actually winning.
In saying that I think the gaps are in our small forward group as opposed to our talls. The emergence of Sturt has added a second medium/tall option that can hopefully be relied on to kick goals consistently in addition to Amiss.
The Sonny Walters replacement is what bothers me. Pickett would have been perfect.

Good post. I agree. I would argue though a few of the more mature aged teams will be around the mark still in 5 years. Take Melb for eg. They trade well and manage to keep ticking along with good first round picks. Oliver is only 26 and they have a good suite of first and second round picks this year.

 

[oldgoat]

This is true to an extent but how I judge our team, or even say, our forward unit or midfield group, is by how they compare to the best sides in the comp that will be contending when we are.
Or even more specifically, how they compare to other sides in a similar phase of development to ourselves.
For example I’m not to stressed how we stack up in comparison to Geelong or Richmond or West coast. Even Collingwood and Brisbane are more mature sides that might find their window closing pretty fast, both have lots of players over 30.
We likely won’t be playing high stakes finals from 2025-2029 against those teams.
We should be comparing instead to teams like Adelaide, Sydney, GWS, Hawthorn, possibly even Gold Coast if they can get their act together. I would add north but they seem completely unable to develop the vast amount of high draft picks already there.

I would not say we have the best set of forwards out of that group of teams. I think we definitely need to improve it, to get to a point where we are not just contending, but actually winning.
In saying that I think the gaps are in our small forward group as opposed to our talls. The emergence of Sturt has added a second medium/tall option that can hopefully be relied on to kick goals consistently in addition to Amiss.
The Sonny Walters replacement is what bothers me. Pickett would have been perfect.

How do you see Carlton in this frame?
Maybe they are peaking age wise a couple of years before us, like now?
Bunch of players 28yrs+ next season.
Agree SonSon's place needs filling...soon.

 

[ubiquitous226]

See! Yyou can admit when yyou're wrong!

Now for FDH16 !

 

[Dockeroo]

How do you see Carlton in this frame?
Maybe they are peaking age wise a couple of years before us, like now?
Bunch of players 28yrs+ next season.
Agree SonSon's place needs filling...soon.

Yeah tough to place but I’d have Carlton about 3 years ahead of us.

Much of their elite talent is 2013-15 draft, Cripps, Weitering, curnow, Mckay, Saad.
Plus their role players are older too like acres, Newman, Kennedy, Doherty, McGovern.

They need to get moving from now.

I guess they do have Cerra (17) and Walsh (18) in our range.
Can’t see them having many high draft picks from now on though and they have not taken much draft talent since 2019 really. I guess Hollands looks ok.

Our list is centred around the 2019 draft.