List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Taylor]

I ask again, how do you feel about taking over the two years remaining of Chol's free agency contract with Gold Coast as part of a deal to move pick #4?

To me, it all rides on the ability for Jye Amiss to play a smaller forward role as a 196cm marking player so that Chol can play the tall target down the line that was mostly vacant this year.

A midfield of Darcy, Jackson, Fyfe, Johnson is averaging about 197cm tall as it is. A forward line of Amiss, Treacy/Tabs, Chol. May as well just move the whole club to western Sydney.

 

[Dayts]

Find a way to package him up with 5 & it’s a deal.

Could do all the back up rucking too,
Keep Jackson as a rover & rest him forward. Always maintain some height that way
Just means Cox stays back. Unfortunately

 

[Purple dynamite]

Can Freo buy Chols contract and be compensated with a pick? Do we have the cap space?

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

I ask again, how do you feel about taking over the two years remaining of Chol's free agency contract with Gold Coast as part of a deal to move pick #4?

Is Chol's contract crazy enough for Gold Coast to attach draft compensation to it just to free cap space? I wouldn't have thought so, but after seeing the coin Bowes was on nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[nurries]

Can Freo buy Chols contract and be compensated with a pick? Do we have the cap space?

The money we had for Henry?

 

[Lach72]

Is Chol's contract crazy enough for Gold Coast to attach draft compensation to it just to free cap space? I wouldn't have thought so, but after seeing the coin Bowes was on nothing surprises me anymore.

Surely not? It would be the length.

Dimma got rid of Chol once already.

He’d chop him again I’d say

 

[Taylor]

Is Chol's contract crazy enough for Gold Coast to attach draft compensation to it just to free cap space? I wouldn't have thought so, but after seeing the coin Bowes was on nothing surprises me anymore.

When Chol moved to GC end of 2021 his salary average per year was enough to trigger band four compensation, that puts him in the top 50% to top 30% of earners but they gave him a long contract and they've had bad salary cap issues so I wouldn't be surprised if their deal to Chol was back loaded.

Even though it averages somewhere between 350 to 450 a year, it might be $750k a year for 2024 and 2025.

That puts it in the Bowes territory.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

When Chol moved to GC end of 2021 his salary average per year was enough to trigger band four compensation, that puts him in the top 50% to top 30% of earners but they gave him a long contract and they've had bad salary cap issues so I wouldn't be surprised if their deal to Chol was back loaded.

Even though it averages somewhere between 350 to 450 a year, it might be $750k a year for 2024 and 2025.

That puts it in the Bowes territory.

Maybe but I think that would have been mentioned for someone somewhere by now. Think it’s more, don’t pay a depth player 450k when it takes games of your pick 2 kid as well. Don’t think it will be a Bowes situation but more a Hogan situation of “please go”

 

[Tbonefreo]

Park up, play reserves on 750k. He could set himself up very well

 

[Ysaye]

Hasleby: Chol must be Freo’s goal for steal of trade period

How many years does Fremantle have to miss finals before they realise that you can never have too many key forwards on your list?

thewest.com.au

We didn't miss finals this year through lack of tall forwards but through a lack of being able to (1) defend well (2) lapses in centre midfield and (3) lack of effective rebound from defence.

But I suppose Chol can join Taberner (or Treacy if the start of this season was anything to go by) and Corbett at Peel or Kuek in reserves next season?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Same way I was keen for Georgiades, I think Chol could find a role with us. Takes Jackson’s forward spot who plays forward / mid

 

[Docker82]

Darcy, Cox, Schultz

They’re all free agents end of 2024.

Is the risk of losing one of them worth it for a bit of extra forward depth? Big No from me for Chol - don’t really rate him tbh.

 

[mike91]

Years ago Hawthorn traded a contracted Burton to bring in Wingard. Saints traded Acres to bring in Hill.

It will never happen, especially at this club, but god I would love it if this club took a stand and traded Henry to the highest bidder, instead of his preferred club of choice

We owe him absolutely nothing. The massively underachiever figjam doesn't deserve to choose where he plays.

Clubs need to grow a pair and take a stance. Players have far too much power and clubs continually get screwed in the process

 

[blue shark]

JL would hate Chol. Applies little defensive pressure and rubbish when the ball hits the deck.
Can kick goals though.
If Sturt found it hard to break into freo team, Chol would find it even harder

Things may change with Emmett now
looking best 22?
Add a couple of quality small forwards and you start to look like Adelaide.

 

[Taylor]

Maybe but I think that would have been mentioned for someone somewhere by now. Think it’s more, don’t pay a depth player 450k when it takes games of your pick 2 kid as well. Don’t think it will be a Bowes situation but more a Hogan situation of “please go”

I wouldn't expect it to be a straight pay to play elsewhere, but as part of a deal to tip over the top in buying that first round pick off them.

I think Melbourne might be the team for him.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Years ago Hawthorn traded a contracted Burton to bring in Wingard. Saints traded Acres to bring in Hill.

It will never happen, especially at this club, but god I would love it if this club took a stand and traded Henry to the highest bidder, instead of his preferred club of choice

We owe him absolutely nothing. The massively underachiever figjam doesn't deserve to choose where he plays.

Clubs need to grow a pair and take a stance. Players have far too much power and clubs continually get screwed in the process

You said the key word though: contracted. When they're contracted and want to leave, you can tell them "we're selling you to the highest bidder, and if you don't like that then we can just keep you for another year." In that context, their BATNA is staying somewhere they want to leave, ours is keeping a player that we don't mind keeping. Our BATNA is stronger than theirs, so we can play hardball.

When they're uncontracted, especially when they're negotiating with cellar dwellers like Henry is, our BATNA doesn't really exist and theirs is "I'll go in the PSD to a club I was probably planning on going to anyways." West Coast finishing last makes it a bit easier for us to play hardball, but still Henry's BATNA is better than ours.

 

[Taylor]

You said the key word though: contracted. When they're contracted and want to leave, you can tell them "we're selling you to the highest bidder, and if you don't like that then we can just keep you for another year." In that context, their BATNA is staying somewhere they want to leave, ours is keeping a player that we don't mind keeping. Our BATNA is stronger than theirs, so we can play hardball.

When they're uncontracted, especially when they're negotiating with cellar dwellers like Henry is, our BATNA doesn't really exist and theirs is "I'll go in the PSD to a club I was probably planning on going to anyways." West Coast finishing last makes it a bit easier for us to play hardball, but still Henry's BATNA is better than ours.

Not if the reason Henry hasn't picked a club yet publicly is because they are still active in the finals.

 

[mike91]

You said the key word though: contracted. When they're contracted and want to leave, you can tell them "we're selling you to the highest bidder, and if you don't like that then we can just keep you for another year." In that context, their BATNA is staying somewhere they want to leave, ours is keeping a player that we don't mind keeping. Our BATNA is stronger than theirs, so we can play hardball.

When they're uncontracted, especially when they're negotiating with cellar dwellers like Henry is, our BATNA doesn't really exist and theirs is "I'll go in the PSD to a club I was probably planning on going to anyways." West Coast finishing last makes it a bit easier for us to play hardball, but still Henry's BATNA is better than ours.

Sorry mate, I'm not sure what BATNA means?

 

[Wray27]

Sorry mate, I'm not sure what BATNA means?

Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement

 

[freo_leo29]

Years ago Hawthorn traded a contracted Burton to bring in Wingard. Saints traded Acres to bring in Hill.

It will never happen, especially at this club, but god I would love it if this club took a stand and traded Henry to the highest bidder, instead of his preferred club of choice

We owe him absolutely nothing. The massively underachiever figjam doesn't deserve to choose where he plays.

Clubs need to grow a pair and take a stance. Players have far too much power and clubs continually get screwed in the process

Player has to sign the contract

Burton and Acres were basically told they won't be best 22 the next year so it would be a waste to stay, they had little choice


If we told Henry we are sending him to somewhere else he can just try his luck in the PSD

 

[Big Animal]

why would Chol comes across the other side of the country unless he was almost guaranteed to start? Makes no sense.

 

[Polo342]

Im all for getting Chol if we can somehow get that Pick 4 as well

 

[Dockeroo]

Im all for getting Chol if we can somehow get that Pick 4 as well

I think this is pie in the sky stuff to be honest.
What we get Chol, AND pick 4? For what in return?
We would have to give our F1 and pick 21 as a minimum starting point I’d say.

Also as I understand it, Gold Coast sorted out all their salary cap issues last year in the Bowes deal to Geelong. They have not said anything about needing to clear salary cap space in 2023. In fact, quite the opposite. They reportedly want a mature high quality player to come to the club as part of any deal for pick 4, which indicates to me that they have some salary to splash around.
I think this is just Taylor getting carried away again with unrealistic trade outcomes favourable to freo.

It’s actually quite possible that we have a tighter salary cap that Gold Coast right now, in reality. We didn’t want to pay acres what he was worth due to salary cap clearing last season.

 

[Docker82]

I think this is pie in the sky stuff to be honest.
What we get Chol, AND pick 4? For what in return?
We would have to give our F1 and pick 21 as a minimum starting point I’d say.

Also as I understand it, Gold Coast sorted out all their salary cap issues last year in the Bowes deal to Geelong. They have not said anything about needing to clear salary cap space in 2023. In fact, quite the opposite. They reportedly want a mature high quality player to come to the club as part of any deal for pick 4, which indicates to me that they have some salary to splash around.
I think this is just Taylor getting carried away again with unrealistic trade outcomes favourable to freo.

It’s actually quite possible that we have a tighter salary cap that Gold Coast right now, in reality. We didn’t want to pay acres what he was worth due to salary cap clearing last season.

There’s evidence our salary cap is reasonably tight tbh. It might not be clear cut evidence but it’s there.

I highly doubt Logue and Acres left just for more opportunity, in fact the extra money they got to leave has been reported - some would even say confirmed.

I’m not sure Liam Henry is leaving just because he likes the idea of playing in Melbourne either. He’ll be getting more money than he’d get here and it wouldn’t even be close.

Most people on here would move to another city if they’d get 100,000 more on their salary.

I’d only be interested in getting Chol if we’re not paying a cent of his salary. Getting Chol and losing Darcy, Cox or even Schultz next year because we can’t afford to pay our best players enough would be as bad as the Hogan trade/s in terms of list management disasters for the club.

List Management is about more than next year. I’d say the club has lowballed Henry as they know the offers will come for Darcy, Cox and Schultz as free agents.

Highly doubt we’ll do anything in trade other than trade Henry and trade in Sharp tbh. Outside of perhaps the type of pick swaps no one on here will remember by round one next season.

 

[Polo342]

I think this is pie in the sky stuff to be honest.
What we get Chol, AND pick 4? For what in return?
We would have to give our F1 and pick 21 as a minimum starting point I’d say.

Also as I understand it, Gold Coast sorted out all their salary cap issues last year in the Bowes deal to Geelong. They have not said anything about needing to clear salary cap space in 2023. In fact, quite the opposite. They reportedly want a mature high quality player to come to the club as part of any deal for pick 4, which indicates to me that they have some salary to splash around.
I think this is just Taylor getting carried away again with unrealistic trade outcomes favourable to freo.

It’s actually quite possible that we have a tighter salary cap that Gold Coast right now, in reality. We didn’t want to pay acres what he was worth due to salary cap clearing last season.

Id be happy to trade our future first and the henry pick if it meant getting Pick 4 and Chol. I reckon we are one key forward away from challenging. That and another year of experience into the kids

2025 should be the year we challenge