List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[dominguez]

There’s evidence our salary cap is reasonably tight tbh. It might not be clear cut evidence but it’s there.

I highly doubt Logue and Acres left just for more opportunity, in fact the extra money they got to leave has been reported - some would even say confirmed.

I’m not sure Liam Henry is leaving just because he likes the idea of playing in Melbourne either. He’ll be getting more money than he’d get here and it wouldn’t even be close.

Most people on here would move to another city if they’d get 100,000 more on their salary.

I’d only be interested in getting Chol if we’re not paying a cent of his salary. Getting Chol and losing Darcy, Cox or even Schultz next year because we can’t afford to pay our best players enough would be as bad as the Hogan trade/s in terms of list management disasters for the club.

List Management is about more than next year. I’d say the club has lowballed Henry as they know the offers will come for Darcy, Cox and Schultz as free agents.

Highly doubt we’ll do anything in trade other than trade Henry and trade in Sharp tbh. Outside of perhaps the type of pick swaps no one on here will remember by round one next season.

Reports were that our initial offer to Logue was 2 years at around 250k then North offered 5 years at 600k. His actual worth is somewhere in the middle IMO.

 

[Dockeroo]

The problem with our small forwards is that they are all good. But there is none of them great.
That’s the issue. None of them will ever win an AA but they are all good solid AFL players with good traits.
Walters was great at his prime but that’s almost certainly past him now.
We need one small forward to become a great player. To kick 55 or so goals like Stengle did last year for the cats.
One of the issues this year was that our talls don’t kick anywhere near enough outside Amiss. Hence we are relying on Switta, Walters, Schultz and Freddy to all kick more goals to compensate for this more than most other teams set of smalls.
The replacement for Sonny has got to be better than all the other smalls we have. Maybe that’s Emmett, it’s too early to tell. All of our smalls are 7/10 types. We need one 9/10 to elevate above the rest. Could that be watson? Maybe. He looks absolutely class. I don’t get too excited by draft highlights but **** this kid looks special.

 

[Dockeroo]

Pick 4 is equal to 2,034 points. All our picks are equal to 1,723 points. Trade our future 3rd for a pick in the 40's this year and that's over 2,000 points plus we're taking Chol's $$ off their books.

Then head to the draft with pick 4 + whatever we get for Henry.

It’s a nice idea but I mean, it’s not going to happen. End of story. Every club in the league woud offer them a better deal than that

 

[dominguez]

I just don’t see the need to bring in Chol to be honest, we have Amiss , Treacy, Tabs and Kuek who can all play KPF. If we really wanted to play Jackson as Mid/second ruck we could play all of Amiss, Treacy and Tabs forward and let Tabs be the one to roam up the ground to be the marking target, leaving Amiss and Treacy as permanent forwards.
F1 + F2 (Hawks or North from Henry trade) should be enough to secure pick 4 and Sharp.
Big IF Gold Coast asked us to take Chol as well without adding any draft capital, I’d entertain it purely because Tabs looks like he might be done and Kuek will miss most, if not all of next season.

In the last decade teams like West Coast and the Bulldogs have pinched a flag by playing a few months of good footy. We were a kick away from top 4 in 2022, who says we can't be contenders next year with a bit of luck?

Kuek is out for the year, Taberner is always injured, meaning we're an injury to 2 of Darcy/Jackson/Treacy/Amiss/Sturt away from having a bit of a crisis for marking forwards. Chol provides insurance there.

 

[dominguez]

Pick #4 is on the table but you should put Chol in the same basket as any time the media notices a player coming into a side and assumes that same type of player has to move out the other end of the bed - like Darcy with Jackson, Chol has an 18 year old top three draft pick academy player who will eventually push out a tall forward and Chol hasn't played for most of the season.

And since Chol left Richmond while Hardwick was there you'd assume Hardwick didn't see Chol as an essential player.

 

[dominguez]

Chol wouldn't be the worst move but I don't see any real point if he keeps Treacy out of the team.

It's more to have insurance and options. This year didn't really matter because we were near the bottom, but Taberner and Darcy were out. When Treacy went in to the ruck that left Amiss and Sturt as the talls in the forward line. What happens if one of those 2 is injured? Sturt at full forward and Emmett CHF?

If Chol isn't on much money, will put in the work, and it helps us get pick 4 get it done.

 

[Docker82]

It's more to have insurance and options. This year didn't really matter because we were near the bottom, but Taberner and Darcy were out. When Treacy went in to the ruck that left Amiss and Sturt as the talls in the forward line. What happens if one of those 2 is injured? Sturt at full forward and Emmett CHF?

If Chol isn't on much money, will put in the work, and it helps us get pick 4 get it done.

I'd be shocked if he wasn't on the money of a genuine best 22 player.

Having the extra depth looks great on the surface but if it makes it harder to re-contract our better free agents (Darcy, Cox, Schultz) it isn't worth it imo.

Losing a top ten player on our list, which those three are, isn't worth an upgrade on Josh Corbett.

 

[Rob]

Hang on, are we taking Chol as a salary dump (and HTF do we have the cap room) or is he an actual required player?

Either scenario sounds ridiculous. Stay the course, let's not get sucked in.

Suns are not giving us pick 4. They will be able to do much better points trades than with us.

 

[Paracleet]

The prospect of us trading for pick 4 is literally 0% but it won't stop this thread filling up with varients of scenarios involving us trading an F1, non existent cap room, birdnests and a handful of cold gravel for it..

 

[Taylor]

The prospect of us trading for pick 4 is literally 0% but it won't stop this thread filling up with varients of scenarios involving us trading an F1, non existent cap room, birdnests and a handful of cold gravel for it..

You're right. But I'll save this quote just in case the chance is a Lloyd Christmas above zero

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The prospect of us trading for pick 4 is literally 0% but it won't stop this thread filling up with varients of scenarios involving us trading an F1, non existent cap room, birdnests and a handful of cold gravel for it..

Can I interest you in a 10%? I think 10% is reasonable

 

[MadMundy]

All this pick #4 talk is ridiculous.

As Stewie Dew says when he sees salad

"I'm not buying it."

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

The real reason why Chol is a non-starter is player-side I'd assume. There's logic behind Gold Coast trading him obviously, there's logic behind Freo getting him (unless it significantly interferes with the "big name" Carnthedockers said we're chasing probably next year), but there has to be a good half a dozen teams that should want Chol more than us.

Collingwood should probably want him if they didn't blow too much of their salary cap on average talls last season. Essendon are giving Sam Weideman

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Sam Weideman

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28

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197cm

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99kg

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4.7

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3.7

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1.5

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1.0

4star

D

7.0

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4.3

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2.8

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3.8

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0.5

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1.8

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games. Melbourne should've gone after Lobb rather than Grundy last season, maybe they can correct that mistake with Chol. All the bottom 3 teams could use Chol. St Kilda maybe as well? There's probably teams I'm forgetting about, but the point is there's several destinations that can offer him more assured game time than we can.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Here is my Gold Coast plan (if they want to hit me up with a contract, I'm happy to be their Perth based scout).



Chol and Hollands for about 630 points each seems reasonable to me. I think they should be able to swing that given Hollands is contracted and young and Chol is a year removed from 44 goals.

Now, I dont think GC can get proper value for pick 4 straight up because what they value most is a future 1st. They are better off breaking it up at least a little bit but it's important to note, they really have a shit load of points already. They should be going to GWS, Adelaide and Melbourne and seeing just how valuable it is to move up. They can squeeze a future 2nd easily out of one of these guys plus some extra points this year (lets just use the shitty 4ths they already moved out)


So now it's a question of asking Richmond, Freo, Essendon and Hawks (the most attractive attainable future 1sts) who wants pick 6 for a future 1st and a 2nd round pick. One of them will bite and get pick 6.



GC head into draft night with approx 455 points of head room and an extra future 1st and 2nd to use if needed

 

[gungho]

The real reason why Chol is a non-starter is player-side I'd assume. There's logic behind Gold Coast trading him obviously, there's logic behind Freo getting him (unless it significantly interferes with the "big name" Carnthedockers said we're chasing probably next year), but there has to be a good half a dozen teams that should want Chol more than us.

Collingwood should probably want him if they didn't blow too much of their salary cap on average talls last season. Essendon are giving Sam Weideman games. Melbourne should've gone after Lobb rather than Grundy last season, maybe they can correct that mistake with Chol. All the bottom 3 teams could use Chol. St Kilda maybe as well? There's probably teams I'm forgetting about, but the point is there's several destinations that can offer him more assured game time than we can.

Of all the guys over 190cms, you would think Chol would get a game in the forward line before Banners, Treacy, Tabs, Sturt, Corbett and possibly Fyfe. He would be best 22 for sure.

 

[Docker82]

The real reason why Chol is a non-starter is player-side I'd assume. There's logic behind Gold Coast trading him obviously, there's logic behind Freo getting him (unless it significantly interferes with the "big name" Carnthedockers said we're chasing probably next year), but there has to be a good half a dozen teams that should want Chol more than us.

Collingwood should probably want him if they didn't blow too much of their salary cap on average talls last season. Essendon are giving Sam Weideman

10

Sam Weideman

Age

28

Ht

197cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.3

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.5

1star

G

1.8

5star

D

9.2

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.4

3star

G

1.2

4star

games. Melbourne should've gone after Lobb rather than Grundy last season, maybe they can correct that mistake with Chol. All the bottom 3 teams could use Chol. St Kilda maybe as well? There's probably teams I'm forgetting about, but the point is there's several destinations that can offer him more assured game time than we can.

He’s absolutely ideal for Melbourne if Grundy moves on imo.

They’ve basically got KPFs that are either washed up, young kids or just not much good. Plus they’d need someone to play second ruck.

 

[Paracleet]

Can I interest you in a 10%? I think 10% is reasonable

NO

 

[FreoBraddles]

Nine News running with a story on Darcy committing to the club - whether it's a statement or progress on a contract we will see..

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Nine News running with a story on Darcy committing to the club - whether it's a statement or progress on a contract we will see..

It will be him attending at Peel or some junk

 

[Docker82]

The prospect of us trading for pick 4 is literally 0% but it won't stop this thread filling up with varients of scenarios involving us trading an F1, non existent cap room, birdnests and a handful of cold gravel for it..

Strap yourself in…

We’re about to nothing but trade Liam Henry, bring in a fringe player from Gold Coast and maybe do a pick swap or two no one really cares top much about.

People are going to imagine ways to try and make it more interesting when it isn’t.

 

[eastfreo75]

So speculation? I'm not actually opposed to bringing in Chol as forward/ruck depth.

We could do an OKC trade.

They trade in overpriced players for draft picks and then trade them out for more draft picks.

 

[pK75]

Strap yourself in…

We’re about to nothing but trade Liam Henry, bring in a fringe player from Gold Coast and maybe do a pick swap or two no one really cares top much about.

People are going to imagine ways to try and make it more interesting when it isn’t.

What else are we going to do for 6 weeks?
FWIW, I don’t even think GC pick 4 would get us Watson. Going by current draft rankings, it would require one of North (x2) WC or Hawks picking Mckercher over Watson, my personal view is WC will trade pick 1 for picks 2,16 with north, maybe something else thrown in as a sweeting. Leaving the order as.
1. North (Reid)
2. WC (Curtin)
3. North (McKay compo) Bid Walter matched by GC
4. North (Dursma)
5. Hawks (Watson)
6. Whoever traded with GC gets a pick of McKercher, Caddy or O’Sullivan

 

[eastfreo75]

What else are we going to do for 6 weeks?
FWIW, I don’t even think GC pick 4 would get us Watson. Going by current draft rankings, it would require one of North (x2) WC or Hawks picking Mckercher over Watson, my personal view is WC will trade pick 1 for picks 2,16 with north, maybe something else thrown in as a sweeting. Leaving the order as.
1. North (Reid)
2. WC (Curtin)
3. North (McKay compo) Bid Walter matched by GC
4. North (Dursma)
5. Hawks (Watson)
6. Whoever traded with GC gets a pick of McKercher, Caddy or O’Sullivan

McKercher is the midfielder we need.

 

[Ge3ks]

Wonder if we are one of the clubs...

Multiple clubs approach former Tiger over trade possibility

Mabior Chol's management has issued a statement.

www.sen.com.au

 

[FreoBraddles]

Nine News running with a story on Darcy committing to the club - whether it's a statement or progress on a contract we will see..

All parties on same page, expected a deal until atleast 2026 to be done soon.

Would take him to being an UFA?

2 years a little underwhelming but will take it