List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management discussion

[Warwick]

I think you're undertaking him and his value. There will be plenty of competition if he looks elsewhere

Probably. Not saying he will be cheap - trade or salary wise. We’ll still need to cough up if we wanted him and he picked us.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

I dunno they were keen on Gunston for some reason

Extenuating circumstances, Your Honour.

 

[briztoon]

Esava Ratugolea would be a perfect recruit IMO. OOC I believe? Nice size, recently gone down back and acquitted himself well. Would offer KPP and break-glass ruck coverage. Only 24 so development in him yet. Mobile but fairly accountable. Has flaws but anyone at his price will.

Could become something between Joel Patfull and Jason Roe for us.

Port bound most likely.

 

[JasRulz63]

Port bound most likely.

Hopefully another Dunkley situation

 

[Nunez]

I really don't rate Esava. Think we could do better.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I really don't rate Esava. Think we could do better.

Seems too similar to what we have as well.

 

[Nunez]

Seems too similar to what we have as well.

He's athletic yet so vanilla

 

[Tom14]

He's athletic yet so vanilla

Geelong's defence has been a lot better when he hasn't played and their other options have been fit - just too tall with him there and all he really does right now is go for intercept marks. Which is a great skill to have but given he hasn't played down back much yet he probably has scope to improve in terms of positioning etc.

 

[Squizz89]

It probably wouldn’t happen as we seem to be to loyal to Oscar, but with the ruck merry-go-round set to go round again this year, do we try for an upgrade?

 

[JasRulz63]

It probably wouldn’t happen as we seem to be to loyal to Oscar, but with the ruck merry-go-round set to go round again this year, do we try for an upgrade?

I personally rate Oscar as a below average starting ruckman in the league, somewhere between say 11th and 14th. Can't see an obvious upgrade that wouldn't cost too much in the way of trade capital or salary cap.

Hayes from Port, Sweet from the Dogs and Flynn from GWS seem like potential options, though whether they'd come to be behind Oscar is a different conversation.

 

[mpal6]

I personally rate Oscar as a below average starting ruckman in the league, somewhere between say 11th and 14th. Can't see an obvious upgrade that wouldn't cost too much in the way of trade capital or salary cap.

Hayes from Port, Sweet from the Dogs and Flynn from GWS seem like potential options, though whether they'd come to be behind Oscar is a different conversation.

We're not playing Fort ahead of Oscar anyway.
What's the point in getting another one who is going to stay in reserves.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

There are times when I wonder if Big O is actually a better forward than a ruck. I wouldn't mind an upgrade on him.

 

[Squizz89]

We're not playing Fort ahead of Oscar anyway.
What's the point in getting another one who is going to stay in reserves.

Yeah if we get another ruckman in, I hope it’s at the expense of Oscar in the seniors, as opposed to just taking Fort’s spot as a seat warmer.

 

[JasRulz63]

Yeah if we get another ruckman in, I hope it’s at the expense of Oscar in the seniors, as opposed to just taking Fort’s spot as a seat warmer.

I think because of where I personally rate Oscar in terms of starting rucks, I think any improvements would cost more trade capital and/or salary cap than I'd like to spend on a ruck.

The dream would be if one of Lane or Smith came on.

 

[Squizz89]

I think because of where I personally rate Oscar in terms of starting rucks, I think any improvements would cost more trade capital and/or salary cap than I'd like to spend on a ruck.

The dream would be if one of Lane or Smith came on.

Yeah, fair. Although you can’t have your starting no.1 ruckman get dominated as convincingly as he was last night. I guess the argument to that would be is the other top teams don’t have a Gawn as their starting ruckman either, so Oscar shouldn’t be exposed as much.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I personally rate Oscar as a below average starting ruckman in the league, somewhere between say 11th and 14th. Can't see an obvious upgrade that wouldn't cost too much in the way of trade capital or salary cap.

Hayes from Port, Sweet from the Dogs and Flynn from GWS seem like potential options, though whether they'd come to be behind Oscar is a different conversation.

Flynn played well against O earlier in the year IIRC

 

[JasRulz63]

Yeah, fair. Although you can’t have your starting no.1 ruckman get dominated as convincingly as he was last night. I guess the argument to that would be is the other top teams don’t have a Gawn as their starting ruckman either, so Oscar shouldn’t be exposed as much.

I know the Grundy pick up has been rightfully whacked a fair bit, but one thing it has meant is that Gawn is less beat up at this point in the season compared to previous ones. It would not surprise me to see him come home strong, especially against ruckman who haven't had the same chop out this season.

Of course I'm not excusing how poor Oscar was last night.

 

[briztoon]

Ned Moyle from Gold Coast.

 

[RoyBoy17]

It probably wouldn’t happen as we seem to be to loyal to Oscar, but with the ruck merry-go-round set to go round again this year, do we try for an upgrade?

We should definitely try for a ruck but I wouldn’t be over paying for one. We can win it with Oscar he’s good enough without being sensational. I’d prioritise an intercept defender with good decision making and ball use. Payne can lockdown ok and intercept but his decision making with the ball is poor. Andrews takes an eternity to get rid of the ball so when he marks it there is no real transition threat.

 

[M Malice]

I'd be retiring our 4 oldest players this season if possible ie. Zorko(OOC), Rich(OOC), Gunston(2024), Lyons(2024) + Adams unlikely to play again.

Then look at a couple of free agents in the 25-26 age bracket, there are a few out there eg. Tom Doedee

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Tom Doedee

Age

28

Ht

190cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

228.8

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

5.8

3star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.3

2star

MG

228.8

3star

D

19.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.4

4star

, Jack Silvagni

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Jack Silvagni

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

MG

176.9

3star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

MG

91.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

131.4

3star

, Darcy Parish

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Darcy Parish

Age

28

Ht

180cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.4

5star

K

9.2

4star

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11.2

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.3

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

3star

CL

3.1

4star

D

22.2

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

14.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

, Mason Redman

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Mason Redman

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.2

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

262.0

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

210.3

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

144.2

3star

, Harry Himmelberg(27 though), Matthew Flynn.

2-3 of our out of contract guys will probably be delisted as well, not sure how it works with list spaces so may not be able to move that many on in one go particularly as our draft hand this year is poor. Maybe we play next year a couple short of the maximum allowable list number.

 

[KissKiss]

I know the Grundy pick up has been rightfully whacked a fair bit, but one thing it has meant is that Gawn is less beat up at this point in the season compared to previous ones. It would not surprise me to see him come home strong, especially against ruckman who haven't had the same chop out this season.

Of course I'm not excusing how poor Oscar was last night.

Which makes me ask the question, why don't we give Oscar a rest?

We know he gets worn out at the end of the season, we have Fort who can do almost as good a job. So even if we think Oscar is our number 1 and will be for finals, when do we make sure he is fit for finals?

 

[Tom14]

Oscar has had a good season. Getting beat by Gawn is not a reason for us to look for a replacement when it’s unlikely to be a significant upgrade and and we have limited salary cap and draft pick currency.

 

[knaf]

Ned Moyle from Gold Coast.

Can you tell us something about him?

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Can you tell us something about him?

He’s a ruckman

 

[dlanod]

He’s a ruckman

I've heard he plays for Gold Coast.