List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[beside the seaside]

Parish is a free agent. No trading or dealing with Essendon. Doubt he comes and if he costs more than $900k x4 probably not really worth it. I think you could probably get a more dynamic player for the same money but he'd still be a great get for us.

Coffield would get nothing in a trade. If you delisted him he might get picked up.

Terrible draft for high end mids. Might get a bargain later pick but that's a dice roll.

If we can turn Clark into Flanders that is a massive upgrade. I think Gresh into Henry is a good step too. On top of that I'd love another mid to add some depth there.

I doubt we're into Parish as we haven't been mentioned at all, but you never know. We could come late like we did with Crouch.

 

[gringo2011]

Why would that not be a popular opinion except for Crouch?
Flanders is good, Dow has shown he can play, don't know the young mids in the draft will be at our picks though.

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Not controversial but some might question it. We are a pretty divided lot.

Dow is a pretty ordinary player and makes a bit less sense seeing as we are unloading Gresham for having the same type of deficiencies. He's fast but can't kick, he literally goes at 35% some games. Gresham has better DE than that. Even at VFL level he gets 35 possessions and has about 10 that actually hit a target. He's only about a year and a half younger so not sure there is a much bigger upside. He seemed a lot more appealing before he got into the senior side. Reckon he's a younger Jones. He'd require a trade and playing recently probably pushed that up to a second to third rounder.

Crouch is a good free depth option who should be ready to step out of the side when the kids are ready so hardly any issues there.

Flanders looks like he has elite potential still. 22 yo, under 50 games and regularly getting 30 plus disposals in a strong midfield with bulk extractors around him. There are only so many opportunities to get the ball and if he's winning his share in a strong set up he's going well. Probably already be our second best mid with huge growth potential.

To me we should look at fringe players in good lists. Elijah Hollands, Jeremy Sharp.....even Fiorini or Tsitas for them. Maybe even Constable. Mathieson, Binns etc.

Also look for VFL players who are performing. Jean-Luc Vallisaris, Kai Owens etc.

 

[Strahany]

You would have to assume that any interest in Parish indicates an intention to match any FA offers for Gresham and force a trade, or keep him on a cheap contract. Perhaps they know/expect a smaller offer to come given his form slump.

 

[beside the seaside]

You would have to assume that any interest in Parish indicates an intention to match any FA offers for Gresham and force a trade, or keep him on a cheap contract. Perhaps they know/expect a smaller offer to come given his form slump.

There hasn't been any indication that we have an interest in Parish has there?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

If he is looking for his big payday, then we certainly have experience with that.

Issue is, many players make requests of where they want to end up.... most clubs adhere to that because there is nothing worse than a disgruntled player on big money at your club.

Steer clear.

Parish is a RFA... he will choose what club he goes to (if any).

If Ess decide to match then he can decide to accept it & stay or seek a trade like any other player coming to the end of his contract.

If a trade can't be worked out, he either re-signs at Essendope or goes into the draft (and goes to Perth).

 

[Joffaboy]

Not controversial but some might question it. We are a pretty divided lot.

Dow is a pretty ordinary player and makes a bit less sense seeing as we are unloading Gresham for having the same type of deficiencies. He's fast but can't kick, he literally goes at 35% some games. Gresham has better DE than that. Even at VFL level he gets 35 possessions and has about 10 that actually hit a target. He's only about a year and a half younger so not sure there is a much bigger upside. He seemed a lot more appealing before he got into the senior side. Reckon he's a younger Jones. He'd require a trade and playing recently probably pushed that up to a second to third rounder.

Crouch is a good free depth option who should be ready to step out of the side when the kids are ready so hardly any issues there.

Flanders looks like he has elite potential still. 22 yo, under 50 games and regularly getting 30 plus disposals in a strong midfield with bulk extractors around him. There are only so many opportunities to get the ball and if he's winning his share in a strong set up he's going well. Probably already be our second best mid with huge growth potential.

To me we should look at fringe players in good lists. Elijah Hollands, Jeremy Sharp.....even Fiorini or Tsitas for them. Maybe even Constable. Mathieson, Binns etc.

Also look for VFL players who are performing. Jean-Luc Vallisaris, Kai Owens etc.

Yeah fair enough.
Dow I wouldn't mind, looked like he could play on the weekend, can get more than zero possessions in the 4th unlike some of our current mids.
Crouch again shows he can play but he is as one paced as the rest of our midfield and age may go against him

Flanders would be a good get, and with Parish in play, if we got those two, it would be similiar how Richmond got Prestia and Caddy in 2017, it is not the fact they are superstars but the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Like your last idea as well, we have been pretty good with the likes of Wilkie, Hammer, even Wood as left field speculators.

If we could manage to land Flanders and Parish, and then pick up a Fiorini or a Dow, that would be just about as best we could possibly do. Wishful thinking on my part I suppose.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Parish is a free agent. No trading or dealing with Essendon. Doubt he comes and if he costs more than $900k x4 probably not really worth it. I think you could probably get a more dynamic player for the same money but he'd still be a great get for us.

Coffield would get nothing in a trade. If you delisted him he might get picked up.

Terrible draft for high end mids. Might get a bargain later pick but that's a dice roll.

Totally disagree with Coffield.

He's highly rated both at St Kilda & elsewhere. He'd get us a 2nd or 3rd but they won't move him unless he requests it.

Serious injuries & complications from them happen... blokes don't lose their talent. There's no indication as yet that the knee has effected his athletic attributes either.

I reckon he'll play a massive role next season... hopefully in RWB.

 

[beside the seaside]

Yeah fair enough.
Dow I wouldn't mind, looked like he could play on the weekend, can get more than zero possessions in the 4th unlike some of our current mids.
Crouch again shows he can play but he is as one paced as the rest of our midfield and age may go against him

Flanders would be a good get, and with Parish in play, if we got those two, it would be similiar how Richmond got Prestia and Caddy in 2017, it is not the fact they are superstars but the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Like your last idea as well, we have been pretty good with the likes of Wilkie, Hammer, even Wood as left field speculators.

If we could manage to land Flanders and Parish, and then pick up a Fiorini or a Dow, that would be just about as best we could possibly do. Wishful thinking on my part I suppose.

Great point Joff. Making a significant upgrade to our midfield could do wonders for our team. Imagine replacing Clark and Gresham with Flanders and Parish. The flow-on effect of those changes would be huge.

 

[gringo2011]

That's such a bullsh*t take!

Why's that? Which bit? Turning something you can't use into something that you can make use of is better management than keeping someone that isn't serving them or you well. Lyon isn't going anytime soon so might as well let him move the pieces around that he wants to.

 

[gringo2011]

Totally disagree with Coffield.

He's highly rated both at St Kilda & elsewhere. He'd get us a 2nd or 3rd but they won't move him unless he requests it.

Serious injuries & complications from them happen... blokes don't lose their talent. There's no indication as yet that the knee has effected his athletic attributes either.

I reckon he'll play a massive role next season... hopefully in RWB.

Coffield has played 50 games in 6 years and zero in the last 2 seasons. No matter how much sides rate him no-one is paying a second round pick for him. If he came free sides would most likely pick him up but he's past the cute puppy phase now. It's in our interests to keep him on a one year contract and hope he comes good.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Parish is a free agent. No trading or dealing with Essendon. Doubt he comes and if he costs more than $900k x4 probably not really worth it. I think you could probably get a more dynamic player for the same money but he'd still be a great get for us.

Coffield would get nothing in a trade. If you delisted him he might get picked up.

Terrible draft for high end mids. Might get a bargain later pick but that's a dice roll.

You have really lost the plot now , three games back after an ACL and you have written him off

 

[MordySaint]

Parish is a free agent. No trading or dealing with Essendon. Doubt he comes and if he costs more than $900k x4 probably not really worth it. I think you could probably get a more dynamic player for the same money but he'd still be a great get for us.

Coffield would get nothing in a trade. If you delisted him he might get picked up.

Terrible draft for high end mids. Might get a bargain later pick but that's a dice roll.

Even our high end picks have been a dice roll.

Pretty simple answer with Coffield is lock him into a short contract now, and try to trade him.

We have many players similar to him, we need midfielders.

 

[John2010362340]

Why's that? Which bit? Turning something you can't use into something that you can make use of is better management than keeping someone that isn't serving them or you well. Lyon isn't going anytime soon so might as well let him move the pieces around that he wants to.

Saying he’s not performing due Ross’s game style is a BS take.. He’s been put in position to be successful, he’s just not living up to his end has nothing to do with the game style being dour which it isn’t and stats back that up..

 

[BrutThough]

Essendon not as confident about keeping him apparently, and as Mowman posted, he is looking for the big payday, don't know if Geelong can match others, including us.

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Geelong will be able to backend a big deal.

Most of the players they are paying good money to will be gone in 2-3 years. They have very few under 30 who will be on big contracts.

 

[LJC05]

If Gresham, Jones and Clark all go then bringing in Parish is a no brainer.

Fills in a big void in the midfield and the 3 out 1 in still gives midfield time to Owens, Windy and Pou and another guy for them to learn from.

Front load the hell out of his contract while we can too

(Now watch him go to Geelong)

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah fair enough.
Dow I wouldn't mind, looked like he could play on the weekend, can get more than zero possessions in the 4th unlike some of our current mids.
Crouch again shows he can play but he is as one paced as the rest of our midfield and age may go against him

Flanders would be a good get, and with Parish in play, if we got those two, it would be similiar how Richmond got Prestia and Caddy in 2017, it is not the fact they are superstars but the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Like your last idea as well, we have been pretty good with the likes of Wilkie, Hammer, even Wood as left field speculators.

If we could manage to land Flanders and Parish, and then pick up a Fiorini or a Dow, that would be just about as best we could possibly do. Wishful thinking on my part I suppose.

Dow got to look pretty good because we were putting all our time into minding Cripps so freed up their others. He'd have to earn his chips the hard way inside our midfield and under more pressure poor kicks look really poor. I don't hate the idea of him but you'd want him near free. He looks like the type that could end up playing most of his games in the VFL. He's a toss of the coin type who's career could go either way.

 

[BrutThough]

Not controversial but some might question it. We are a pretty divided lot.

Dow is a pretty ordinary player and makes a bit less sense seeing as we are unloading Gresham for having the same type of deficiencies. He's fast but can't kick, he literally goes at 35% some games. Gresham has better DE than that. Even at VFL level he gets 35 possessions and has about 10 that actually hit a target. He's only about a year and a half younger so not sure there is a much bigger upside. He seemed a lot more appealing before he got into the senior side. Reckon he's a younger Jones. He'd require a trade and playing recently probably pushed that up to a second to third rounder.

Crouch is a good free depth option who should be ready to step out of the side when the kids are ready so hardly any issues there.

Flanders looks like he has elite potential still. 22 yo, under 50 games and regularly getting 30 plus disposals in a strong midfield with bulk extractors around him. There are only so many opportunities to get the ball and if he's winning his share in a strong set up he's going well. Probably already be our second best mid with huge growth potential.

To me we should look at fringe players in good lists. Elijah Hollands, Jeremy Sharp.....even Fiorini or Tsitas for them. Maybe even Constable. Mathieson, Binns etc.

Also look for VFL players who are performing. Jean-Luc Vallisaris, Kai Owens etc.

I think it would be disappointing/slightly controversial if Dow was the only player we managed to bring in.

But if he was one of a few mids we could land this off season, it would be a very good low risk addition.

 

[MordySaint]

Geelong will be able to backend a big deal.

Most of the players they are paying good money to will be gone in 2-3 years. They have very few under 30 who will be on big contracts.

There are also many other ways that Geelong make the deal attractive, which we cant match.

We then end up in a silly bidding war like we did with DeGoey and totally lose our way and lose focus on the draft.

 

[BrutThough]

You have really lost the plot now , three games back after an ACL and you have written him off

I dont think saying he'd be worth nothing in a trade is writing him off.

Would you be happy if we gave up anything more than say a late 3rd/4th rounder for a guy who has missed 2 seasons and yet to play senior footy after doing a knee?

 

[crasha301]

If Gresham, Jones and Clark all go then bringing in Parish is a no brainer.

Fills in a big void in the midfield and the 3 out 1 in still gives midfield time to Owens, Windy and Pou and another guy for them to learn from.

Front load the hell out of his contract while we can too

(Now watch him go to Geelong)

Gotta pay somebody and there is no point over paying our kids again and getting stuck in the same situation we are now.

Pay parish his million who is a proven ball magnet and keep the kids hungry.

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[gringo2011]

You have really lost the plot now , three games back after an ACL and you have written him off

No I haven't, just a realist. If you were our list managers you'd give him 12 months and see what happens but I doubt anyone outside St Kilda is licking their lips at a guy who showed a bit of promise but he's hardly elite. He averaged 15 disposals in his best year as a HBF. 14 over his career. He might come good or he might break down. I'm just being practical. We want him and Clark to be elite to justify their high picks but so far he's shown promise more than form.

Look at the guys sitting in reserve for clubs like Gold Coast, Carlton, GWS, Port etc. You could get much more guaranteed players with a second and third round pick. If we got pick 56 for Bruce or what ever it was we aren't getting a second for Coff.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I dont think saying he'd be worth nothing in a trade is writing him off.

Would you be happy if we gave up anything more than say a late 3rd/4th rounder for a guy who has missed 2 seasons and yet to play senior footy after doing a knee?

Did we not give up a 2nd rounder for Freeman , i maybe wrong

 

[gringo2011]

Saying he’s not performing due Ross’s game style is a BS take.. He’s been put in position to be successful, he’s just not living up to his end has nothing to do with the game style being dour which it isn’t and stats back that up..

What ever. I don't think he's anywhere near what he has been and looks noticeably unsure of how to play the game we want him to play. His best form is when he plays instinctive free flowing footy. He seems to be the absolute antithesis to how Lyon likes footy played and he's gone completely off the boil.

 

[gringo2011]

Did we not give up a 2nd rounder for Freeman , i maybe wrong

2 years into his career for a high pick. Coff is in his 6th.There is a puppy phase where you pay on potential but at some point it becomes a gamble. Clark was probably still late puppy phase last year but this year looks more like a scruffy mutt.

 

[BrutThough]

Did we not give up a 2nd rounder for Freeman , i maybe wrong

Yes, we gave a future 2nd for a top 10 pick, two years after they were drafted.

Coffield is 6 years into this career, lost years 5-6 of his career to injury and in year 4, was hardly setting the world on fire with his form at AFL level. His 2022 pre season might have been impressive for track watchers but that's not exposed form to base trade value on.

I doubt anyone here would be happy to give a 2nd rounder for Paddy Dow, who has more recent good AFL performances and doesn't come with the same injury baggage Coffield has accumulated the last 2 years.