List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[Joffaboy]

I'd be happy enough with Bergman plus a first rounder if it comes to a trade.

I suppose we would have to be, but the first rounder would have to be top 5

 

[Leap of Faith]

I'd be happy enough with Bergman plus a first rounder if it comes to a trade.

Seriously? That's way way unders. That would be us getting royally screwed. I seriously hope the club don't roll over like that.

 

[The_Snake26]

My guess is Nas wants to get to Port but they’ve told him they’re not sure how they’re going to do it.
1. They don’t have the assets without giving some up which is robbing Peter to pay Paul. They have to give up Butters at a minimum who I’d say has indicated no desire to leave
2. How much does it affect the team and salary cap paying 1 player $2m a year
3. Nas has said he won’t leave the saints through the draft and burn them

Until Port can prove to Williams they can get a fair deal done then I don’t think we’ll hear anything

 

[MrFoster]

I didnt say any of that should or will happen but how do you reckon anyone would take us demanding Adelaide send over a South Australian born player who is 19 and just finished his first season in compensation for a player wanting to go home?

Throw out all the hypothetical trades you like but putting SA born players into the mix to come to us as part of that is utter stupidity.

Remember Philipou is also from SA and he has no problem with signing on early and was never home sick. (Nas was rumoured to be home sick from the very start, only huge effort from Wood/Hill made him settle better). So, it's horses for courses. Each person is different, but in general, the going home pull can be strong if money/chance of success all taken into account.

 

[Joffaboy]

Seriously? That's way way unders. That would be us getting royally screwed.

If we trade that's what is going to happen.
Personally Bergman and two top 5 picks. So that would mean Port losing Bergman, Butters and no frdp for NAZ. The cost is enormous for the list management goi g forward.

 

[MrFoster]

My guess is Nas wants to get to Port but they’ve told him they’re not sure how they’re going to do it.
1. They don’t have the assets without giving some up which is robbing Peter to pay Paul. They have to give up Butters at a minimum who I’d say has indicated no desire to leave
2. How much does it affect the team and salary cap paying 1 player $2m a year
3. Nas has said he won’t leave the saints through the draft and burn them

Until Port can prove to Williams they can get a fair deal done then I don’t think we’ll hear anything

I think it's more Port and Crows to prove to the saints that they can get a fair trade done. Don't rule out Crows as well, they wouldn't have offered a big contract to Nas if only passing interest.

 

[phantom13]

Remember Philipou is also from SA and he has no problem with signing on early and was never home sick. (Nas was rumoured to be home sick from the very start, only huge effort from Wood/Hill made him settle better). So, it's horses for courses. Each person is different, but in general, the going home pull can be strong if money/chance of success all taken into account.

Not sure what relevance this has to us demanding Adelaide send over an SA native in a trade deal?

Unless there is some specific indication that Sid Draper wants to come to Vic (even as tenuous as a chick he hooked up with living in Black Rock) then we really shouldnt be fantatsizing about him being part of a trade deal.

 

[Thirsty_NeedBeer]

What makes you think he’s pushing port?

 

[Klaatu]

Could also be a possibility its on our end with FA coming in working out the yearly breakdowns.
Don't know ?

Don't believe so, you can still sign & say the finer details need to be thrashed out & put an end to the speculation.

 

[phantom13]

Seriously? That's way way unders. That would be us getting royally screwed. I seriously hope the club don't roll over like that.

Id say its my floor.

Ultimately we have to be reasonable, we can demand whatever we like, we can carry on like pricks and threaten the PSD and all that and all we really do is risk losing face with the AFL and the player managers (which i couldnt really care about) and losing face with NAS (which i do care about).

If its a go home trade for an uncontracted player there has to be a degree of reasonability from the side losing the player, you dont have to like it (ive made it clear i dont) but thats the world we live in.

We wont get fair value for NAS, we have to accept that, what you consider to be something you can live with and something that wont make us look like were being completely pricks to NAS and the footballing world is subjetive.

Bergman and a first (given we were into Bergman) is, IMO at least, something that we will look shitty if we refuse.
Berry and two firsts (or Whitlock and a first i suppose even though i hate it) is getting towards something we look shitty if we refuse.
Three fists is probably the same as the above (although i think its easier to sell three first being shit as theyre more unknown).

If you dont care how we look and how NAS views us then sure, demand Butters and a first, i dont think thats being reasonable personally.

 

[snails13]

Seriously? That's way way unders. That would be us getting royally screwed. I seriously hope the club don't roll over like that.

a Future 1st from Port along with Bergman and the pick they trade Butters with.
If they want to get a star with no assets,make em suffer.
Lose Butters,Bergman and a F1

 

[Sully111]

I still think he's staying.

Think Williams has said you've been killing it so let's just keep going and we'll see what your price is at season's end.

Money, money, money.

 

[phantom13]

a Future 1st from Port along with Bergman and the pick they trade Butters with.
If they want to get a star with no assets,make em suffer.
Lose Butters,Bergman and a F1

You want everything they get for Butters and Bergman and their current future first.

See id say thats just ridiculously unreasonable.

 

[botts]

Eventually nas may have to take emotion out of his decision. Last thing he would want to do is end up in the draft and it’s all well and good for the SA teams to say they are confident they could get the deal done. in reality until they prove it it’s just hot air.

 

[Thirsty_NeedBeer]

I still think he's staying.

Think Williams has said you've been killing it so let's just keep going and we'll see what your price is at season's end.

Money, money, money.

Williams needs that extension on his mansion

 

[_Maximus_12]

I suspect the club asks Nas to change management to an impartial manager should he re-sign.

 

[MrFoster]

You want everything they get for Butters and Bergman and their current future first.

See id say thats just ridiculously unreasonable.

Either
1. Bergman + future first + Berry (with something going back to even up the trade)
or
2. Butters + Berry (with something going back to even up the trade)

 

[Tom12]

No club ever takes players who don't want to play there and it won't happen here

Then the club gets nothing for him. Why do it?

I'd rather risk losing him then take a **** trade package.

 

[Minga]

My guess is Nas wants to get to Port but they’ve told him they’re not sure how they’re going to do it.
1. They don’t have the assets without giving some up which is robbing Peter to pay Paul. They have to give up Butters at a minimum who I’d say has indicated no desire to leave
2. How much does it affect the team and salary cap paying 1 player $2m a year
3. Nas has said he won’t leave the saints through the draft and burn them

Until Port can prove to Williams they can get a fair deal done then I don’t think we’ll hear anything

My guess is that he has alluded that he’d be open to playing in Adelaide. Not that he’d prefer to. pros and cons, people contain multitudes and it just feels like he’d be way more checked out with the club if he didn’t want to be here.

Maybe he signs for 2 years, and by the end of those 2 years the picture becomes clearer re: pros and cons on staying here at the end of 2027. I think that’s the most likely scenario, and is also the path of least resistance.

 

[SainterEire]

Guessing or fact ?

Guessing, same as every other post in this thread

 

[MordySaint]

Max has to get on the park first , i think anyone banking on him making the difference is wishful thinking the way he has been the last 3 years

The first step is getting to Moorabbin and training first.

Wonder how his latest surgery went?

 

[Sainter62]

Either
1. Bergman + future first + Berry (with something going back to even up the trade)
or
2. Butters + Berry (with something going back to even up the trade)

No 2 please

 

[MrFoster]

My guess is that he has alluded that he’d be open to playing in Adelaide. Not that he’d prefer to. pros and cons, people contain multitudes and it just feels like he’d be way more checked out with the club if he didn’t want to be here.

Maybe he signs for 2 years, and by the end of those 2 years the picture becomes clearer re: pros and cons on staying here at the end of 2027. I think that’s the most likely scenario, and is also the path of least resistance.

If he wants to sign, he would have signed already. If the issue is money, he should back himself in getting a bigger pay packet 2 years down the track. Holding the club for ransom over a small incremental (club already offered $1.4 a year which is no small amount) is really bad form.

So the most plausible reason would be we're waiting for the 2 SA clubs to bid against each other and come up with the trade packages that will satisfy the saints.

 

[akaifu]

The first step is getting to Moorabbin and training first.

Wonder how his latest surgery went?

This is the most recent update from what I can see

 

[snails13]

You want everything they get for Butters and Bergman and their current future first.

See id say thats just ridiculously unreasonable.

For us or them?