List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[stavro#4]

Havent you used Morris as credible before when its been good news?

FWIW i think all of this is speculation based on a really basic (argubrably too basic) narrative of our own doing. As you point out.

Windy hasnt resigned, historically not great at this time of year and no doubt his manager would be waiting for the Nas situation to play out to get max bucks but the "aesthetics" arent great.

Marshall is about to watch TDK waltz in on double his money, anyone NOT looking at their options at this point would be stupid.

Butler as you point out

Howard as you point out (and its argurable both have been overtaken, two guys the club probably should low ball as depth and let go if they find other offers ala Membs)

Steele a guy whos general demanour often looks like hes in pain at being a professional footballer and has actively distanced himself from any positive or negative media comments.

Obviously this all plays out around the Nas shitshow (media, possibly our doing as well but who knows).

My point here is the media is running with absolutely credible stories based on the perception of our list management and the WARCHEST shit weve been blasting for two years, this sort of story was inevitable and rather than claiming every grub media pundit is throwing us under the bus maybe take a breath and look at how weve actively contributed to it.

If you back the club like you always do then just ignore the noise, if youre sure SoS and co know what theyre doing then who gives a **** what Morris and co says.

Where did I say in that post that he was wrong?

I just said he buried the following players which goes along with the Wilkie story.

My issue ignoring true or untrue is the simple fact that one core friendship group is unhappy and in that core friendship group, only one player is performing strongly across the entirety of this season - Windhager.

That we are at best the 11th best side and for most of the season, the 14th rated side in the comp and players of that ilk are throwing toys out of the cot about wages.

Secondly, not a single player on our list should have a say in regards to list management. Exceptional performance will lead to the salary increase - proven by Nas. Everyone else gets a piece of the pie, Douglas barely played and he is getting antsy that Aleer is going to play over him? He was also signed on exceptional money in 2019 with little proven pedigree behind him.

And no, your last point doesn’t stand either. I can want fair reporting, it’s probably more on me that i wanted a journalist to actually investigate a story. But it doesn’t mean i need to be happy with anyone running: this story is “unconfirmed” but we are running with it anyway or that it isn’t reported fairly either, as I am saints fan first and foremost - why not mention how Marshall isn’t happy and also Make clear he wanted to pursue the cats advances 12 months ago. Adds a fair bit of context to a clubs decision.

 

[SainterinSydney]

11.01 am

It's the clock on Saintsational. Here is the original source if people want to see: https://www.saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?t=115572&start=25

 

[phantom13]

Where did I say in that post that he was wrong?

I just said he buried the following players which goes along with the Wilkie story.

My issue ignoring true or untrue is the simple fact that one core friendship group is unhappy and in that core friendship group, only one player is performing strongly across the entirety of this season - Windhager.

That we are at best the 11th best side and for most of the season, the 14th rated side in the comp and players of that ilk are throwing toys out of the cot about wages.

Secondly, not a single player on our list should have a say in regards to list management. Exceptional performance will lead to the salary increase - proven by Nas. Everyone else gets a piece of the pie, Douglas barely played and he is getting antsy that Aleer is going to play over him? He was also signed on exceptional money in 2019 with little proven pedigree behind him.

And no, your last point doesn’t stand either. I can want fair reporting, it’s probably more on me that i wanted a journalist to actually investigate a story. But it doesn’t mean i need to be happy with anyone running: this story is “unconfirmed” but we are running with it anyway or that it isn’t reported fairly either, as I am saints fan first and foremost - why not mention how Marshall isn’t happy and also Make clear he wanted to pursue the cats advances 12 months ago. Adds a fair bit of context to a clubs decision.

Okay Stav.

Pretty sure you just proved my point.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Getting guaranteed blockbuster matches every year is an advantage to attracting free agents and trade targets which would help rebuilding if applied well I'd reckon.

Every game that meant anything we stuffed up , China , NZ x 2 , plus a million more i cant remember , we have been given plenty of chances but again that's the AFL's fault

 

[Tom12]

Where did I say in that post that he was wrong?

I just said he buried the following players which goes along with the Wilkie story.

My issue ignoring true or untrue is the simple fact that one core friendship group is unhappy and in that core friendship group, only one player is performing strongly across the entirety of this season - Windhager.

That we are at best the 11th best side and for most of the season, the 14th rated side in the comp and players of that ilk are throwing toys out of the cot about wages.

Secondly, not a single player on our list should have a say in regards to list management. Exceptional performance will lead to the salary increase - proven by Nas. Everyone else gets a piece of the pie, Douglas barely played and he is getting antsy that Aleer is going to play over him? He was also signed on exceptional money in 2019 with little proven pedigree behind him.

And no, your last point doesn’t stand either. I can want fair reporting, it’s probably more on me that i wanted a journalist to actually investigate a story. But it doesn’t mean i need to be happy with anyone running: this story is “unconfirmed” but we are running with it anyway or that it isn’t reported fairly either, as I am saints fan first and foremost - why not mention how Marshall isn’t happy and also Make clear he wanted to pursue the cats advances 12 months ago. Adds a fair bit of context to a clubs decision.

Fully agree with this sentiment.

 

[_Maximus_12]

GWS were big into him. He did want to move. My mate who played for Swans VFL confirmed Marshall wanted out.

Ro was/is open to a move if it’s the right fit. We are only willing to listen if the offer is a first rounder, or includes a first rounder.

 

[Mr Platinum]

Are we on ludes?
$25 million? You can’t offer Harley more than what you’re willing to go to for Nas, it’s downright disrespectful and will end badly.

We’ve offered him $50 million. Hey Tom, we know you make your shit up from our forum, make sure you report this as fact.

In regards to NAS, not only have we offered Tex a spot and the captaincy, we’ve also offered his uncle Gavin honorary life membership. Take that as fact as well.

 

[stfan]

Well on the one hand Rucci, a Port Supporter, just makes up shit yesterday to try and help destabilise St Kilda so that Nas jumps ship. And then Edmunds jumps on the story, but achknowldges that Clown Rucci was the source.


But then on the other hand over at SS this morning:

All the dominoes will start to fall in place. Everything will be ok. Stop panicking.

 

[MordySaint]

What position has he been put in?

You understand the bloke asked the club for a move last offseason?

All the club have done is bring someone across to work in tandem with them.

So we go out and offer unprecedented numbers for TDK which then opens up a different can of worms. TDK ain't Buddy Franklin, he's not a match winner and doesn't deserve those sort of figures. Absolute crazy money which then exposed all the current players underbelly.

That's what I am talking about.

 

[phantom13]

Every game that meant anything we stuffed up , China , NZ x 2 , plus a million more i cant remember , we have been given plenty of chances but again that's the AFL's fault

We had a crack at Good Friday too and i believe are the only team to lose to the Roos in that historic shitshow.

 

[Linton Street Saint]

Okay Stav.

Pretty sure you just proved my point.

Repeatedly getting your opinion liked by a troll that has a lot in common with herpes should give you a moment to pause.

 

[sauce_head]

Why does the Reid offer make me think Nas has told us he’s not staying and to make other arrangements

I’m so ****ing tired of this club being a walking joke

Why do so many people around here think everything is mutually exclusive?

 

[stavro#4]

So we go out and offer unprecedented numbers for TDK which then opens up a different can of worms. TDK ain't Buddy Franklin, he's not a match winner and doesn't deserve those sort of figures. Absolute crazy money which then exposed all the current players underbelly.

That's what I am talking about.

None of us know what that contract offer is.

But the likelihood is that it isn’t 1.7m or higher a year for the duration of that deal.

 

[phantom13]

So we go out and offer unprecedented numbers for TDK which then opens up a different can of worms. TDK ain't Buddy Franklin, he's not a match winner and doesn't deserve those sort of figures. Absolute crazy money which then exposed all the current players underbelly.

That's what I am talking about.

A bunch of guys currently at the club watching our home grown top 5 player being haggled with while we throw cash at barely a top 10 ruckman might create some resentment internally.

No one could have seen it coming (except everyone who saw it coming).

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Fraser Gehrig and Aaron Hamill said the same thing remember……..

Quick, go rustle up Malcolm Blight for our presentation

 

[phantom13]

This is peak Grand Poo-Bah of Chicken Little village St. Katrina.

A media flog said it, therefore it is.

Amen.

Repeatedly getting your opinion liked by a troll that has a lot in common with herpes should give you a moment to pause.

Says the same guy who claims any negativity on a team padding some late season wins to once again be mid table at best is chicken littling.

Honestly i admire the eternal optimism, i really do, must be nice living so far removed from reality.

 

[The_Steadier]

Tony74 Alert! Hot off the presses!

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We must have some level of desperation if we are involving gil directly with nas:

Former AFL boss' pitch to Wanganeen-Milera revealed

Nine's Tom Morris reveals Gil McLachlan's role in St Kilda's pitch to Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Tom12]

A bunch of guys currently at the club watching our home grown top 5 player being haggled with while we throw cash at barely a top 10 ruckman might create some resentment internally.

No one could have seen it coming (except everyone who saw it coming).

Nas wasn't top 5 when we made that offer.

 

[SainterinSydney]

We must have some level of desperation if we are involving gil directly with nas:

Former AFL boss' pitch to Wanganeen-Milera revealed

Nine's Tom Morris reveals Gil McLachlan's role in St Kilda's pitch to Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera.

www.theage.com.au

Gil may have done it on his own. He may have been just chatting generally to him. Who knows.

 

[phantom13]

Nas wasn't top 5 when we made that offer.

The most recent one? Which is still being reported as under Ports?

Oh wait, that makes us look bad so it cant possibly be true because the media only makes shit up to make us look bad.

Battle WAS signing but then wasnt. TDK is coming for $12.50 a year and weve offered Nas $2.5m cause we do everything right all the time.

 

[PandaG]

 

[Gavinmitchell11]

We’ve offered him $50 million. Hey Tom, we know you make your shit up from our forum, make sure you report this as fact.

In regards to NAS, not only have we offered Tex a spot and the captaincy, we’ve also offered his uncle Gavin honorary life membership. Take that as fact as well.

Wow! Great to have Gavin on board. Hopefully he can run a few workshops for the young fellas. Maybe in particular a mentor for Harley.

 

[crasha301]

Imagine for a second.

We keep Nas, Wilkie and Windy
Bring in TDK Aleer and Reid
Trade out Steele and Marshall.

That would be HUGE!

 

[Tom12]

The most recent one? Which is still being reported as under Ports?

Oh wait, that makes us look bad so it cant possibly be true because the media only makes shit up to make us look bad.

Battle WAS signing but then wasnt. TDK is coming for $12.50 a year and weve offered Nas $2.5m cause we do everything right all the time.

Sorry, was referencing the TDK offer.

 

[stavro#4]

Its more the nature of some posters on this board.

When a story suits us and makes us look good the reporter is a beacon of the industry, always impeccable sources.

When a story is negative its a drive by on an easy target with no sources.

Battle is staying, its good mail, will happen any day. Nas is leaving, bullshit rumors from the AFL machine.

We all just pick and choose what we like.

If the Battle story last year being whichever ****ing reporter stating as fact he was putting pen to paper in days, then him leaving on bad terms by years end didnt make everyone here just chuckle at the media cycle and chill out about it then nothing will.

Most of what they report is made up or governed by how it appears to everyone, these disgruntled players is no different, maybe theres some truth, maybe there isnt, but the story is so ****ing easy to see that trying to claim its a hit job on us is idiotic.

We painted this canvass and now we dont like the critiques.

By your own logic:

Unconfirmed reports.
You take as pure gospel “Everyone saw this coming”


Stkilda CEO comments
You then write it off as “What is he meant to say”